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Exit Point

A podcast about the advancement of BASE jumping and the exploration of its culture.

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#67 Feral the Good C#%t

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2026/02/22

This installment of Exit Point was pulled from the archives, where it was never intended to end up. In this episode Laurent Frat sits down with the globally notorious BASE jumper and locally legendary Australian BASE Association leader known by his fitting moniker, Feral.

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#66 Jill Kuzman and the Mat Kenney Story Part 2

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2026/02/18

This is the second part in a multi-part series examining the life and death of jumper Mathew Kenney. Part 1 can be found on episode #56 with Jeff Shapiro. In this installment, Matt Blank sits down with veteran BASE jumper Jill Kuzman to discuss her BASE jumping journey alongside Mat and how she views their adventure after his addition to the BASE fatality list.

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#66 Jill Kuzman: Part 2 of the Mathew Kenney Series

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2026/02/08

This is the second installment of a series on jumper Mathew Kenney who lost his life BASE jumping in 2016. In this episode we sit down with jumper Jill Kuzman to talk about her journey through BASE alongside Mat and after losing him. You can revisit the first installment of this series in episode #56 Jeff Shapiro: Recovering a Fallen Friend.

44:59

#65 Katelyn Escott Part 2: Straight out of Compton

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2025/09/17

This was supposed to be the second installment of a series following the career of Wingsuit BASE jumper Kate "Compton" Escott, but instead it has become the last in this series. This episode was recorded a month before she lost her life while wingsuit BASE jumping and aimed to cover her transition from up-and-coming amateur to true professional. You can listen to her first interview with us by scrolling back to episode 33. This episode was released with the love and support of her family and

01:45:46

#64 Sara Pendlebury - mental health and high-risk sports

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2025/03/28

In this episode, we explore the critical topic of mental health, particularly within the context of high-risk sports. Sara Pendlebury, a registered psychotherapist from Chamonix Therapy discusses with Laurent Frat the unique challenges faced by athletes in high risk-sports. They cover a range of topics including the impact of grief, the importance of self-regulation, and the role of community. Sarah shares practical advice on navigating mental health issues, the therapeutic benefits of awe and

01:40:24

#63 Dante Wardlaw: cross-training, learning, and the...

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2025/02/11

In this episode, Laurent sits down with Dante Wardlaw, a multidisciplinary air sports athlete. Their discussion covers Dante's journey from early exposure to skydiving and paragliding, to becoming a full-time professional. Dante shares insights into his rigorous but fun training schedule, his constant quest for improvement, and the delicate balance between humility and confidence. They also discuss the mental and technical aspects of various air sports, stunts vs. sport, the importance of

02:18:45

#62 Peyton Malesovas: imposter syndrome, repression...

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2025/01/31

In this episode I’m Matt Blank speaks with Peyton Malesovas. In an attempt to start bridging the gap between the gray hairs and the youngbloods, she’s agreed to come on and share her perspective about getting into BASE jumping and becoming an "intermediate". They address imposter syndrome, early onset sendiness and she sheds light on the big-picture questions of how we keep the BASE jumping community progressing and avoid the mistakes made by the former generations.This independent project is

01:56:34

#61 Jon Devore: triumph, tragedy and team work

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2025/01/08

In this episode, Laurent sits down with Jon Devore. Jon is a professional skydiving stuntman, aerial stunt coordinator, and captain of the Red Bull Air Force team. This episode is rich with insights and full of contrast. From his beginnings as an educator, to pioneering freeflying, to doubling as Johnny Utah in the Point Break remake - Jon shares how teamwork, and dedicated training were vital to his accomplishments. Jon also discusses the delicate balance of humility and excellence, and how

01:34:56

#60 Anne Helliwell: innovation, pioneering, BASE...

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2024/12/27

In this episode, host Matt Blank pulls over with Anne Helliwell to get a look into the renaissance era of BASE jumping. An integral part of creating BASE specific equipment, Anne pioneered and invented a substantial portion of the techniques and technology BASE jumpers use today. She’s been an active jumper for close to four decades, leading and participating in jumps all over the world. We touch on everything from the innovation process for the first BASE specific equipment, to what it was like

01:22:13

#59 Tomic Kluzniak: navigating training, challenging...

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2024/12/11

In this episode, Laurent sits down with Tomic, an expert wingsuit BASE jumper, skydiving and tunnel coach. They cover his journey, strategies, and philosophies. Tomic shares his approach to both teaching and executing technical jumps, the importance of mindset, and how he combines intense training, and athletic preparation with creative expression. He also reflects on his acceptance of the inherent risks of being at the sharp end of the world's most dangerous sport.This independent project is

01:32:04

#58 Moab Joe: self-destruction to chasing...

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2024/12/02

In this episode Matt Blank sits down with Joe Lohmuller in his home in Moab, Utah to talk about Joe’s journey from a life of self-destruction to one seeking self-actualization. This episode covers everything from substance abuse to terrain flying tactics as we dive into Joe’s progression toward the cutting-edge of wingsuit BASE jumping. Joe’s perspective and story not only provide valuable insights for anyone considering risking their life to fly today’s epic alpine lines, but also provides a clear

01:52:54

#57 Peter Salzmann: Wingsuit Foil innovation,...

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2024/11/21

In #57 Laurent Frat sits down with Peter Salzmann, an Austrian wingsuit pilot who recently set world records in BASE jumping with his innovative wingsuit foil. They cover Peter's career as a paragliding instructor, stuntman, and professional wingsuit pilot. Peter shares his early beginnings from jumping off the roof of his house as a child to what it feels like to fly the foil. Some highlights are their discussion about the importance of balancing risk with the exhilarating freedom of BASE,

01:44:50

#56 Jeff Shapiro: recovering a fallen friend,...

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2024/10/29

Laurent sits down with Jeff Shapiro to share the profoundly personal and emotional experience of leading a fatality recovery from a remote wingsuit accident. Jeff provides a vivid recount of the technical challenges and emotional weight faced bringing the body of Matt Kenney home, while reflecting on the deep bonds within the BASE jumping community. Their conversation explores the balance between ambition and caution, the importance of camaraderie, and how personal adversities reshape perspectives

01:25:45

#55 David Laffargue: state of BASE education, finding...

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2024/10/15

In this episode of Exit Point, Laurent sits down with David Laffargue. Their conversation goes unfiltered as they have a gritty, candid exchange that attempts to strip away some of the unspoken elements of greed to reveal the sport’s raw truths. They tackle everything from the temptations of shortcuts in training to redefining ‘cool’ by prioritizing safety and longevity. Whether you’re a seasoned jumper or just BASE curious, this episode will have you nodding in agreement or seething with outrage

01:46:52

#54 Gavin McClurg: mentorship, flow and navigating...

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2024/09/24

In this episode, hosts Laurent Frat and Matt Blank step outside the realm of BASE jumping to gain valuable insights from Gavin McClurg, the host of Cloudbase Mayhem and a celebrated figure in the paragliding world. Gavin, a former Red Bull X-Alps pilot and National Geographic Adventurer of the Year, shares his journey from ski racing to paragliding, offering lessons that resonate across high-risk sports. The discussion covers the importance of SIV training, the dangers of intermediate syndrome, and

02:01:55

#53 Jacob Gardner: the art of rigging, overcoming...

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2024/08/05

In this episode, Matt Blank interviews Jacob Gardner, a renowned BASE jumper and equipment manufacturer. Jacob delves into his journey as a parachute rigger, the challenges and learning curve he faced, and how understanding gear transformed fear into fun. The discussion covers the evolution of BASE canopy manufacturing, the importance of equipment maintenance, and the trade-offs between different materials and designs. They highlight the balance between action and technical knowledge in BASE

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#52 Jen Jones - Bureau of Land Management, Moab Field...

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2024/07/15

In this episode, Matt Lajeunesse interviews Jen Jones, the Recreation Director at the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) Moab field office, who has been an integral part of the BASE jump community for over a decade. They discuss Jen's role and experiences working with BASE jumpers, managing public lands, and the unique challenges Moab faces with its 3 million annual visitors. The conversation touches on Turkey Boogie, the legality of BASE jumping on public lands, and the necessity of permits for

02:30:44

#51 Sean Devlin - analyzing risk, water training, and...

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2024/06/03

In this episode, Matt records with Sean Devlin who comes on to share his perspective on wingsuit progression, using data driven analysis to enhance performance and the importance of water training in the BASE environment. Devlin has built an impressive career outside of BASE jumping as a risk analyst in the financial tech world as well as compiled an impressive wingsuit resume traveling the world to jump both to compete and adventure. He's a multi-sport instructor with several accreditations in

01:14:32

#50 Katie Hansen Lajeunesse - passion, risk, and...

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2024/05/14

In this episode, Laurent records with Katie Hansen Lajeunesse who is a highly accomplished air sports athlete. She is a world record holder in free flying, a multiple world record holder in wingsuiting, and an BASE jumper and swooper. We touch on various aspects of these disciplines and the intricacies of navigating personal and professional boundaries in these extreme sports, Katie shares some memorable jump stories, including her process of recovering from a very close brush with death.There

01:35:15

#49 Kendrick Dane: law, advocacy and the National...

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2024/04/23

In this episode, Laurent is joined by Kendrick Dane, a licensed attorney and BASE jumper. They explore the evolving world of BASE jumping, its legal battles, community spirit, and the pursuit of freedom through human flight.Kendrick is also General Counsel for the advocacy group BASE Access, whose mission is to preserve and open site access on public lands within the United States. Kendrick and Laurent discuss the challenges and hopes of legalizing BASE jumping in national parks, Kendrick’s journey

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