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The Meg and Amy Show

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Join best friends Meg Bear and Amy Wilson on The Meg and Amy Show – a podcast for big-picture thinkers who are ready to challenge the status quo. As former tech executives and seasoned business leaders, Meg and Amy have spent decades leading through change. Now, they’re joining forces to break down the trends they’ve lived and helped shape.

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Episode 39 | Your Scorecard Is Lying to You: Pat...

The Meg and Amy Show ·

2026/04/24

Pat Wadors spent 20 years building cultures at some of tech's biggest names — LinkedIn, ServiceNow, UKG. Then she made an unusual move: from leading people at tech giants to becoming CHRO at Intuitive Surgical, the company behind the da Vinci surgical robot that has served over 20 million patients. In this conversation, Pat shares the personal scorecard moment that changed her career trajectory, why she rejects the word "transformation" in favor of experiments and agility, and how she holds leaders

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Episode 38 | Nilofer Merchant | Stop Making It All...

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2026/04/17

Nilofer Merchant, ranked among the top 50 most influential management thinkers in the world, joins Amy and Meg to dismantle one of management's most beloved myths: the high-impact player ideology. From launching over 100 products netting $18 billion at companies like Apple and Autodesk, to getting fired after securing board approval, Nilofer reveals why making yourself indispensable actually makes you exploitable — and what happens when organizations optimize for individual heroes instead of

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59:50

Episode 37 | Doug Merritt on Leading With Love &...

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2026/04/10

Doug Merritt led one of the boldest transformations in enterprise software — taking Splunk from $220M perpetual license to over $3B in cloud SaaS revenue. Now, as CEO of Aviatrix, he's building the network security layer enterprises desperately need in the AI era.In this conversation, Doug gets vulnerable about his months of depression when ChatGPT launched, shares why "buying into fear is super lazy," and explains the daily battle every leader faces: love or fear. We also dive deep into the

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57:07

Episode 036 | Stop Doing Things Right. Start Doing...

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2026/04/03

Cornerstone OnDemand CEO Himanshu Palsule joins Amy and Meg to discuss Generation Beta, the leadership pipeline vacuum, and what it takes to build a workforce for a world that doesn't exist yet. From his World Economic Forum panel on corporate ladders to hiring a Chief AI Officer who asked for just 12 people, Himanshu shares what he's learned leading a major talent platform through complete transformation while the rules of work are being rewritten. Plus: why inference, context, and trust matter

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57:06

Episode 35 | Why Most AI Productivity Claims Are...

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2026/03/27

MIT researcher and People Analytics author Ben Waber joins Amy and Meg for one of the most myth-busting conversations about AI, productivity, and what actually drives enterprise value. From a 23-year-old grad student who discovered that billion-dollar companies don't know how their own teams communicate, to the lunch table experiment that changed programmer productivity by 20%, Ben brings 15 years of behavioral data to challenge everything you think you know about how organizations work — and why

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57:13

Episode 34 | You're the Weak Link Now | The...

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2026/03/20

Our guest had to cancel (get well soon, Ankur!). So instead of the episode we planned, you're getting something better — us, unfiltered, on everything that's been consuming our lives for the past month. Amy has 100+ hours of vibe coding under her belt and has things to say. Meg has been reading Dan Heath's Reset and watching Jason Lemkin slowly become the worst worker on his own team. And together we've landed on a thesis that might be uncomfortable: the bottleneck in AI transformation isn't

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Episode 33 | Marc Coleman on Why Nobody Has Budget...

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2026/03/13

UNLEASH founder and CEO Marc Coleman joins Amy and Meg for a conversation about what 5,000 HR leaders actually need right now — not in theory, in practice. From launching a disastrous first conference with tangled lanyards and no sleep to building one of the world's largest HR technology events, Marc shares how he reads market signals, why he shifted from benefit-led to decision-led content, and the L'Oréal "journey book” that changed how he thinks about the value of gathering. Plus: why companies

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Episode 32 | Kim Scott on Radical Candor, Courage,...

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2026/03/06

Radical Candor author Kim Scott joins Amy and Meg for one of the most candid conversations about leadership, courage, and what it really means to care in an era of AI disruption and rising authoritarianism. From managing diamond cutters in the Soviet Union to coaching CEOs at Google, Apple, and Twitter, Kim shares the personal stories behind her frameworks — including the moment a colleague's feedback made her rethink everything and write Radical Respect. Plus: what Kim would tell Workday's

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58:59

Episode 31 | Five Major Threads Shaping the Future |...

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2026/02/27

We're back! In our Season 2 opener, we dig into everything that's happened since we wrapped Season 1 — and there's a LOT. Amy's been vibe coding an app for her mom (with a full AI development team), Meg's been having her brain broken by AI agents, and the business landscape has shifted dramatically.We introduce five interlocking threads that will guide Season 2 — think of them as a rope, not a listicle — covering the SaaSpocalypse, context as the new moat, the high agency imperative, the AI agent

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Episode 30 | WAR STORIES: The Corporate Scars That...

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2025/12/26

Amy and Meg get brutally honest about the toxic workplace archetypes every leader faces - and share the real stories that shaped their careers. This isn't just storytelling; it's a masterclass in pattern recognition, strategic response, and hard-earned wisdom.These are REAL experiences from two executives who've navigated decades in corporate America. We're not just sharing war stories - we're breaking down what was actually happening, how we handled it (the good, the bad, and the ugly), and

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54:06

Episode 29 | Jason Averbook on 4 Forces Reshaping...

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2025/12/19

🚀 Jason Averbook reveals the 4 forces creating the biggest change HR has ever seen—and why 95% of AI projects are failing. This isn't about technology; it's about trust, engagement, and fundamentally rethinking how work gets done.⚡ THE 4 FORCES RESHAPING WORK: 1. Engagement is slipping (trust in companies at all-time lows) 2. Jobs and skills are changing rapidly 3. Early career on-ramp is broken 4. AI is being pushed into unprepared organizations 🔑 KEY INSIGHTS: - We're asking people to

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Episode 28 | HR Tech's Top Analyst John Sumser: AI...

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2025/12/12

🚀 FROM FOOD CRITIC TO KITCHEN: John Sumser, HR tech's leading independent analyst for over 20 years, reveals what happens when you step from the sidelines into operations—and why most of what we believe about AI, HR, and career success is wrong. Learn how to navigate uncertainty as opportunity, why "I don't know" is the most powerful thing a leader can say, and what the next 5 years hold for HR in this candid conversation about transformation and truth-telling.⏰ TIMESTAMPS: 00:00 Teaser: The Best

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Episode 27 | Your Share of the Profits: Scott Santens...

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2025/12/05

Finland – Universal Basic Income Pilot🚀 THE CASE FOR GIVING PEOPLE MONEY: UBI expert Scott Santens reveals why the most radical idea in economics might be the simplest - just give people cash. Discover how Alaska has proven this works for 40+ years, why his crowdfunded basic income changed everything he thought about work, and what happens when we shift from survival mode to abundance thinking.⏰ TIMESTAMPS: 00:00 Introduction: The Man Living UBI 02:33 How Scott Crowdfunded His Own Basic

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58:09

Episode 26 | From Scarcity to Abundance: How...

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2025/11/21

🔄 What happens when two leaders with completely different upbringings join forces? In this deeply personal episode, Amy and Meg explore how their vastly different childhoods - one marked by stability and support, the other by constant change and scarcity - shaped their leadership styles, decision-making approaches, and the way they navigate challenges today.⏰ TIMESTAMPS: 00:00 Introduction & Banter including Meg's Vietnam travels, The Gist Project and Sangeet's Provocative post 13:13 Main topic

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Episode 25: Maksim Ovsyannikov, CPO SugarCRM -...

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2025/11/14

What would you build if you were creating a product organization from scratch in 2030? SugarCRM Chief Product Officer Maksim Ovsyannikov joins Amy and Meg to explore how AI is fundamentally reshaping product development, design thinking, and organizational structures.From "very little user experience" as a value proposition to why QA is more critical than ever in probabilistic systems, this conversation challenges everything you think you know about building products in the AI era. ⏰

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56:08

Episode 24 | 24 Episodes of Learning: Our AI...

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2025/11/07

🚀 After 24 episodes and conversations with 20+ transformation leaders, Amy reveals the AI Transformation Maturity Model that synthesizes everything we've learned. Discover how to get ahead of AI transformation instead of being a victim of change, why this moment offers the biggest career opportunity in decades, and how to build the change agility that separates thriving organizations from struggling ones.This episode weaves together insights from Sangeet Choudary (constraints thinking), Yamini

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Episode 23 | The Explorer CEO: Yamini Rangan on...

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2025/10/31

🚀 INVENTING THE AI-FIRST OPERATING MODEL: HubSpot CEO Yamini Rangan reveals how she completely scrapped her $40B company's roadmap and rebuilt it AI-first. Learn how to pivot from volume to conversion, navigate the decline of SEO, and lead transformation when no one has the answers.⏰ TIMESTAMPS: 00:00 Introduction: From Reading Every Book in the Library to CEO 05:00 Moving to the US: The Airport Story and Finding Her Voice 15:50 Immigration, Grit, and Tools for Navigating the Unknown 25:30

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Episode 22 | Dr. Kirstin Ferguson on The Curse of...

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2025/10/17

🚀 Why "I Don't Know Yet" Is the Most Valuable Leadership Skill in the AI Age: Dr. Kirstin Ferguson reveals how expertise becomes your biggest enemy and why intellectual humility beats certainty every time.⏰ TIMESTAMPS: 00:00 Introduction & Antarctica Adventures 02:06 Welcome to Dr. Kirstin Ferguson 04:38 Why Travel Reduces Blindspots 05:49 The UK Post Office Scandal: When "The Computer Is Always Right" 08:44 How Success Becomes the Enemy of Adaptation 10:50 The Power & Authority Problem: Why

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Episode 21 | Female Leadership in a World Built for Men

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2025/10/10

🚀 BREAKING OUT OF THE DEFAULT MALE WORLD: Meg and Amy reveal the hidden challenges of female leadership in a world designed by and for men. Learn how to navigate bias, own your power, and redefine what leadership looks like in the AI era in this raw and empowering conversation.⏰ TIMESTAMPS: 00:00 Introduction to Female Leadership Challenges 05:55 WNBA Success and Equal Pay Movement 07:06 Fiji Simo's Historic OpenAI Appointment 08:09 AI Bias: ChatGPT Recommends Lower Salaries for Women 14:17

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Episode 20 | Angela Le Mathon: Speaking the Language...

The Meg and Amy Show ·

2025/10/03

Angela Le Mathon reveals how HR leaders can move beyond the "skills data trap" to drive real business outcomes with AI. Learn how to speak the language of business, avoid the employee experience trap, and design AI-native organizations in this thought-provoking conversation on business transformation and leadership.**🔑 KEY INSIGHTS:** Skills data works for talent marketplaces but doesn't drive business outcomes HR must shift from talking about programs and platforms to speaking outcomes

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