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Coconut Thinking

Benjamin Freud, Ph.D.

The Coconut Thinking podcast brings educational provocateurs and practitioners in the regenerative space together to ask: what would it take to create the conditions for all life to thrive? Conversations are as diverse as the guests, but each one participates in the ecosystem, and each one questions the dominant narrative. This is a show for those who are curious about learning, systems, and contributing to the bio-collective—all life that has an interest in the healthfulness of the planet.

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All Episodes

08:59

Becoming-Through-Loss: The Groundwork of Metabolic...

Coconut Thinking ·

2025/10/26

What if life doesn’t fight decay, but feeds on it?In this episode, I exploremetabolic ontology, a way of seeing being, learning, and ethics as continual re-organization. Entropy, loss, and transformation aren’t problems to fix; they’re the medium through which life keeps composing itself.Drawing from my work in regenerative education, I look at how this shift from stability to metabolism changes everything: how we understand learning&doing, assessment, and the role of institutions. Regeneration

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15:52

School Isn’t Broken, It’s Working Exactly as Designed

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2025/10/14

In this episode of theCoconut Thinking Podcast, I take a hard look at what school really does, and what it would cost to truly change it. We keep saying education needs fixing, but maybe it’s doing exactly what it was built to do:sort, rank, and hold the world in place.Drawing on Bourdieu, cultural capital, and the myth of meritocracy, I unpack why mastery and competency models only repaint the same house, why knowledge has to be understood assituatedrather than transferable, and why real

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44:10

Elspeth Hay: Feed us with trees

Coconut Thinking ·

2025/09/21

What if the way we eat could root us back into place, instead of tearing it apart?In this episode, I speak withElspeth Hay. Elspeth is a writer, public radio host, and food systems advocate whose work explores what it means to live thoughtfully in place. Raised in Maine by birdwatcher parents, she grew up seeing how species adapt seamlessly to their ecosystems, while human communities eroded them, often just to feed ourselves.For more than 15 years, Elspeth has interviewed farmers, harvesters,

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45:36

Josh Dorfman: The Lazy Environmentalist (not really)

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2025/09/07

What if sustainability’s future was driven by passion, shaped with youth, and told through real stories?In this episode, I speak with Josh Dorfman. Josh is a climate entrepreneur, author, and media voice at the intersection of sustainability, innovation, and culture. He is the co-founder, CEO, and host of Supercool, the climate-tech podcast and media brand spotlighting the bold founders, investors, and policymakers designing a low-carbon future. His interviews reveal the business models,

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45:42

Maya Frost: Collapse

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2025/08/24

How might we consider collapse as a a transformative process that brings us together through loss and renewal?In this episode, I speak with Maya Frost. Maya is acreative adaptation strategist,grief worker, andtrauma‑informed facilitatorwho specializes in what she calls “creative adaptation": helping collapse‑aware individuals disrupt their despair and cultivate joy even as systems erode. As the founder ofCollapse Forwardand theDoom to Bloom™process, she works with clients across more than 20

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55:56

Jennifer D. Klein: Leadership as resistance and risk

Coconut Thinking ·

2025/08/10

How do you lead with courage and love for every child when the culture around you is demanding you do the opposite?Jennifer D. Klein is an educator, author, and global learning advocate with over 30 years in student-centered, project-based education. A product of the very pedagogies she champions, Jennifer has taught and led in diverse contexts—from all-girls education in the U.S. to heading an innovative school in Colombia. She has worked with educators in over 20 countries, helping them design

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52:48

Charlotte Hankin: Where are the animals?

Coconut Thinking ·

2025/06/15

How might our relationships other-than-human animals help us consider sustainability and regenerative education in more life-centered ways?In this episode, I speak with Charlotte Hankin. Charlotte is an educator, sustainability consultant, and PhD researcher in the Department of Education at the University of Bath. Her doctoral work explores how relationships between children and animals in international schools can help shift education away from human-exceptionalism toward more regenerative,

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31:28

Special Episode: Learning is a means, not an end

Coconut Thinking ·

2025/05/25

How can learning&doing help us become good participants in the web of life?In this special episode, I speak about how systems change won’t happen if we replace names and labels but continue to do the same old thing. I propose that we move beyond assessing learning, competencies, soft skills for their own sake. Rather, what if we collected the voices of the community (human and other-than-human) and had that be the measure of quality of learning? Emphasis placed on testimonials of how the

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51:48

Dan Burgess: Passengers and Crew on Spaceship Earth

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2025/05/04

How might we participate as Earthlings, part of a living planet, in kinship with the more-than-human?Dan Burgessis a regenerative practitioner, creative strategist, and facilitator working at the intersection of ecology, culture, and transformation. With roots in the worlds of storytelling, activism, and systems innovation, Dan helps individuals and organizations reimagine their roles in a world undergoing profound change. He draws on years of experience in creative industries, participatory

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01:01:23

Bas van den Berg, Mieke Lopes Cardozo, Koen Wessels:...

Coconut Thinking ·

2025/04/21

What does it mean to nurture good relationships through regenerative education in these times we live in?In this episode, I speak with the authors of the soon-to-be-published book,The Art of Regenerative Educatorship.Bas is an associate professor in regenerative leadership at the Mission Zero Centre of Expertise at The Hague University of Applied Sciences, where he also serves on the management team of the Master’s in Sustainability Transitions. He lives in Dordrecht with his partner, writes novels,

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01:20:03

Special Nyepi Episode: Benjamin Freud, Ph.D....

Coconut Thinking ·

2025/04/03

We honor Nyepi with this special episode, in which Charlotte Hankin interviews Benjamin Freud. Nyepi is the Balinese Day of Silence, and is a Hindu New Year celebration marked by 24 hours of complete stillness. No travel, no lights, no work, and no noise. It is a time for self-reflection and spiritual renewal. We recorded this episode a few days after Nyepi and after that time of pause and gather. We discuss:🥥 Regenerative education and how nothing goes beyond Nature’s paradigm (referencing Denise

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57:54

Katharine Burke: Earthwards

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2025/03/16

How might we shift our educational practices to deepen students’ ecological awareness, nurturing a culture of care and reciprocity with Earth’s living systems?In this episode, I speak with Katharine Burke. Katharine has been an educator for over 30 years, passionately advocating for ecological literacy, permaculture, and regenerative education. She currently teaches Geography and Social Studies at the secondary level, focusing her work on transformative ecological education projects. Katharine’s

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51:16

Giles Hutchins: Nature Works

Coconut Thinking ·

2025/03/02

What can we learn from nature’s patterns to transform the way we lead and live?In this episode, I speak with Giles Hutchins. Giles is a leading voice in regenerative leadership and business transformation. With 30 years of experience—including roles as Head of Transformation at KPMG and Global Sustainability Director at Atos—he now focuses on guiding leaders and organizations toward more resilient, nature-inspired ways of working. He’s the author of books like The Illusion of Separation and Leading

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51:11

Mike Edwards, PhD: Resonance with place and crises

Coconut Thinking ·

2025/02/16

How might we weave stories together as a response to ecological breakdown, using sound to connect to place?In this episode, I speak with Mike Edwards. Mike began his career researching climate change in the Southwest Pacific, where his work—cited by the IPCC—was among the first to explore ecocolonialism: how climate discourse is manipulated by the powerful to control those most affected. His research challenged dominant narratives, sparking debate among those reluctant to rethink the status quo. In

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55:40

Steffi: Who is we, who is I?

Coconut Thinking ·

2025/02/02

What happens when the way we see ourselves changes the way we see the world?In this episode, I speak with Steffi Bednarek. Steffi’s work explores the intersection of climate change, complexity thinking, and the human psyche. She is the Director of the Center for Climate Psychology. With over 25 years of experience in depth psychology, trauma-informed practice, complexity thinking, and climate psychology, she supports individuals and organisations in navigating the psychological impacts of the

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45:54

Leslie Medema: Place-based learning at Green School Bali

Coconut Thinking ·

2025/01/19

How might leadership open more emergent spaces in schools?This is the first in a series of episodes throughout the year where we invite educators and practitioners to explore how they might share their time, talents, and gifts to uplift others. As we delve into their stories, we ask our guests what contributions they envision making in the spirit of generosity and regeneration. This isn’t about the spotlight—it’s about the offering.In this episode, I speak with Leslie Medema, Head of Campus at Green

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50:10

Dave Cormier: Learning in a time of uncertainty

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2025/01/05

How might we learn (and teach) to navigate uncertainty when the system rewards final answers?Dave Cormieris an internationally renowned educational thinker specializing in the intersection of technology and pedagogy. He coined the term MOOC in 2008 and pioneered open and rhizomatic learning. His work on creativity and uncertainty in education is taught globally. In 2024, he publishedLearning in a Time of Abundance: The Community Is the Curriculumwith Johns Hopkins University Press. Recently, Dave

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53:42

Louise Romain: Sound Series Episode II

Coconut Thinking ·

2024/12/01

How might sound reshape our understanding of and nurture new relationships with the living world?In this episode, I speak with Louise Romain. Louise works as an anthropologist, an imagination activist (with Moral Imaginations) and a podcast producer. She campaigns for multispecies justice and Indigenous rights through grassroots organising, relationship building and media production. With her show ‘Circle of Voices’, she produces short stories, spoken word and immersive sound journeys, crafted as

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51:14

Melissa Pons: Sound Series Episode I

Coconut Thinking ·

2024/11/17

What happens when we tune into sound to make sense of our world? How might noticing sounds and silences tell us more about place?In this episode, Charlotte and I speak with Melissa Pons. Melissa is a field recordist and award-winning sound designer based in Portugal. Throughout her years of practice, she has independently released field recording albums, music compositions upon commission and her work has been streamed and featured in several media, like the BBC, NPR, The Guardian and Bandcamp

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43:04

Bronwen Main and Frank Burridge: Biomimicry Series III

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2024/11/03

How might Biomimicry help us understand the context of a problem in order for us to respond locally, not with one-size-fits-all solutions?In this episode, I speak with Bronwen Main and Frank Burridge. Bronwen is a landscape architect and co-founder of Main Studio, where she focuses on sustainable, nature-inspired designs that transform urban spaces. Her work emphasizes ecological restoration, community well-being, and biodiversity, creating environments that encourage people’s communion with nature

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