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The Secrets of Story: A Screenwriting & Novel Writing Podcast

Matt Bird and James Kennedy

Matt Bird (author of "The Secrets of Story: Innovative Tools for Perfecting Your Fiction and Captivating Readers") and James Kennedy (author of the novel "The Order of Odd-Fish") have raucous debates about the craft of novel writing, screenwriting, storytelling (and anything else they want to fight about!) Through their discussion you will learn how to be a better storyteller.

tv & film film interviews

All Episodes

65:36

The Final Episode in this Feed: Another preview of "A...

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2025/05/01

It's another episode of Matt's new podcast, "A Good Story Well Told" with Jonathan Auxier, this time discussing "The Giver", but from now on, to get new content, you'll have to subscribe to the "A Good Story Well Told" feed. Meanwhile, this feed will remain active so you can enjoy the wonderful archives of Matt and James's content.

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45:44

Live Show: Capturing the Nature of Children with...

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2024/09/16

Recorded Live at The Book Stall in Winnetka, IL, hosted by the Society of Children's Book Writers and Illustrators, James and Matt welcome the legendary Betsy Bird to tackle a topic all three know something about: Capturing the Voices of Children in Your Writing. Matt argues that novels that feature truly authentic kids are by definition not children's books, and James and Betsy debate him on that.

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86:30

Episode 47: The Heroine's Labyrinth with Douglas A....

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2024/06/24

Matt and James welcome author Douglas A. Burton to discuss his new book The Heroine's Labyrinth! Matt blurbed it and said "The Heroine's Labyrinth is filled with profound and unique observations on the topic of story structure, no matter what the gender of your protagonist. Burton closely analyzes a wide breadth of stories and proves his thesis that Joseph Campbell missed half the story." James agrees and we dive into some of Douglas's many interesting new archetypes!

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59:28

Organizing Chaos with Sophie Beal and Gary Dalkin

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2024/01/16

Sophie Beal and Gary Dalkin return to discuss novelists' relationship with editors, whether freelance or at a publisher. All four of us have been on one side of that divide or another, and most of us more than one, and we have a grand old time discussing it.

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71:25

Episode 45: Specific vs. Generic (Or is it Factual...

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2023/12/07

It's always good to load up your story with specifics, right? Not so fast! James talks about his decision to leave some information out of his new novel Bride of the Tornado, and Matt quibbles.

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84:54

Episode 44: Putting the Secrets of Story Into Action...

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2023/10/19

Matt and James welcome acclaimed novelist Torrey Maldonado to talk about how he's put Matt's advice into action for his books for young people (much to James's chagrin)

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67:25

Writing Every Day with Brock Swinson

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2023/06/26

Matt and James are joined by author Brock Swinson and discuss his new book of writing advice Ink by the Barrel. All three of us agree that writers must write every day and then sheepishly admit that we don't actually do that.

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52:57

Episode 43: Mackendrick's Rules, the Epic Conclusion

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2023/06/19

Alexander Mackendrick summed up the wisdom that film schools (and MFA programs in general) hand down to writers. Is it helpful or poisonous? In this episode, Matt and James finish examining and questioning his 41 rules.

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59:59

Mackendrick's Rules, Part 2

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2023/06/12

Matt and James once again use the rules of Alexander Mackendrick as a springboard to talk about what makes for a good story. Bonus: Matt posits his theory of what's in the case in Pulp Fiction and completely convinces James!

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70:53

Mackendrick's Rules, Part 1

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2023/06/06

The great filmmaker Alexander Mackendrick famously passed along 41 rules of writing advice and now Matt and James are going to evaluate them all in a three-part epic!

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82:53

Episode 39: Agents

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2023/02/02

James and Matt discuss their checkered history of getting agents/managers, failing to hold onto them, and getting new ones, with lots of tips for the unagented! Check out lots of supplemental materials on SecretsOfStory.com.

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57:11

Episode 38: AI

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2022/12/24

Can a computer do our jobs? Matt puts it the test and James scoffs, as is his wont.

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74:43

37 Craft in the Real World

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2022/11/02

The long-awaited return! James and Matt reunite to discuss Matthew Salesses' book Craft in the Real World. Matt is worried about offending anyone and James is less so!

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55:56

Episode 36: Save the Cat with Sophie Beal and Gary...

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2022/04/04

Special guests Sophie Beal and Gary Dalkin join us to debate the merits of the most infamous writing guide of all, Blake Snyder's Save the Cat

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79:29

Episode 35: Co-Authoring and Transgression with Keir...

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2021/12/20

A whopping two guests join us to discuss the feat of co-authoring three thrillers as "Linda Keir", including "The Swing of Things", which leads to a discussion of whether or not transgression need always be punished in American literature.

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79:58

Episode 34: Building Character Voice

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2021/11/16

James and Matt discuss Metaphor Families, Default Personality Traits, and Default Argument Tactics. James quotes great wisdom forgetting that he's quoting Matt, and Matt heaps praise on James's new book-- It's a kumbaya love fest!

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70:50

Episode 33: Niceness, Apologies and PTSD

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2021/10/29

James checks in on a prediction he made years ago (in Episode 4) that stories would start getting nicer. As it turns out, Ted Lasso proved him right!

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72:20

Episode 32: Notes

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2021/09/24

Matt and James have a contentious history of giving (or not giving) feedback to each other, and they reveal some big philosophical differences on the fraught topic of how to give and receive notes.

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69:56

Episode 31: Irony

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2021/08/27

Matt and James discuss 14 types of Irony and use Casablanca, Blazing Saddles and Mulan as examples.

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48:04

Episode 30: Genre, Burgers, and Alien

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2021/07/30

Jonathan Auxier returns for a record fifth time to discuss what he originally wanted to discuss last time: Genre, how it is like burgers, and what this all has to do with the movie Alien. James then high-roads us with some classical music cues.

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