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Macro N Cheese

Steven D Grumbine

A podcast that critically examines the working-class struggle through the lens of MMT or Modern Monetary Theory. Host Steve Grumbine, founder of Real Progressives, provides incisive political commentary and showcases grassroots activism. Join us for a robust, unfiltered exploration of economic issues that impact the working class, as we challenge the status quo and prioritize collective well-being over profit. This is comfort food for the mind, fueling our fight for justice and equity!

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Ep 367 - MMT & Marxism: Finding Common Ground with...

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2026/02/14

** Tuesday evening we’ll be listening to and discussing this episode of the podcast in our virtual community gathering. All are invited to Macro ‘n Chill, February at 8pm ET/5pm PT. Find the registration link at the top of our website: realprogressives.orgCan Marxists and MMTers find common ground, or are they doomed to be strategic enemies?Steve’s guest is Australian labor historian and organizer Owen Bennett, who founded the Australian Unemployed Workers’ Union in 2015, and more recently,

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01:04:23

Ep 366 - Who Paid the Pipers of Western Marxism? with...

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2026/02/07

** Every Tuesday evening, we host an online gathering of friends and newcomers, listening to and discussing our podcast. 8pm ET/5pm PT. Join us! After the episode drops, you’ll find the registration link at the top of our website: realprogressives.orgThis week Steve invited Gabriel Rockhill to talk about his new book Who Paid the Pipers of Western Marxism? Vol 1 of The Intellectual World War. The war on communism is about protecting imperial super-profits, keeping cheap labor and resources flowing

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Ep 365 - Funding White Supremacy with Robert B. Williams

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2026/01/31

Funding white supremacy is a core, not incidental, function of the modern capitalist state in the U.S. It is also the title of economist Robert B. Williams’ 2025 book, Funding White Supremacy: Federal Wealth Policies and the Modern Racial Wealth Gap.Bob and Steve share the fundamental position that capitalism doesn’t just produce inequality by accident, it builds durable ladders for some and trapdoors for others. Wealth, not income, is the key instrument because it is power that reproduces itself

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01:00:24

Ep 364 - State Money, Class Struggle with Anthony...

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2026/01/24

We’ve made the case before, but it bears repeating: MMT is a politically neutral, descriptive lens explaining the operational realities of a sovereign fiat currency system where the availability of real resources, not money, are the constraint. And Marxism is an analytical framework for understanding class relations and production. The two are not inherently opposed. It’s a mistake to dismiss MMT as capitalist apologetics.Steve’s guest is Dr. Anthony Anastasi, an economist teaching at the

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01:03:28

Ep 363 - Venezuela's Unfinished Revolution with...

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2026/01/17

** Further questions about this episode? You’re in luck. Tuesday evening, January 20th, Ricardo Vaz will be with us during Macro ‘n Chill, our online gathering. Find the registration link at the top of our website: realprogressives.orgSteve opens in a subdued mood brought on by the dizzying speed of ‘current events.’ For this episode he’s stepping back and looking at Venezuela. News reports are working hard to create confusion. On social media US citizens claim that kidnapping a sitting president is

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01:23:35

Ep 362 - Debunking the Institutional Theory of...

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2026/01/10

** We’ll be discussing this episode on Tuesday, January 13th (8 pm ET/5 pm PT) in our online gathering, Macro ‘n Chill. We’ve invited Erald Kolasi to join us. So bring your questions. Register here: https://us06web.zoom.us/meeting/register/aYopZXEIQ9SPN9gQL2ajXQSteve welcomes back Erald Kolasi, physicist-economist, author, and friend of the podcast. Erald is here to do a demolition job on “institutional” development fables like Acemoglu & Robinson’s Why Nations Fail. He argues that by treating

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Ep 361 - Discernment in the Age of Disinformation...

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2026/01/03

Shealeigh Voitl and Andy Lee Roth join Steve to talk about Project Censored’s State of the Free Press 2025. The book – an annual publication – compiles the year's most important yet underreported or misreported news stories, which they’ve identified through a student-led research process.Andy highlights the point that corporate news focuses on what went wrong today but ignores what goes wrong every day. “It's the difference between dramatic events and systemic problems.”The #1 underreported story is

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01:02:50

Ep 360 - Care Theory of Value with Emma Holten

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2025/12/27

Let’s face it, even “good” macro talk can fall into the trap of treating the economy like a tidy spreadsheet while real lives get crushed in the margins. To help us peer beneath the covers, Steve invited Emma Holten, a Copenhagen-based political economist to talk about her book Deficit: How Feminist Economics Can Change Our World. We often discuss deficits around here, but Emma is looking at a different kind. She reframes deficit as what societies rack up when they systematically undervalue care:

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01:08:04

Ep 359 - Epstein: Power, Corruption & Media...

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2025/12/20

For a masterclass in true bipartisanship, look no further than the guest list of Jeffrey Epstein! We all love a good conspiracy story, but it’s often just business as usual for the class in power.Nolan Higdon – lecturer, media critic, and author of The Gaslight Gazette – is back for a deep analytical dive into the Epstein saga. Moving beyond true-crime sensationalism, Nolan and Steve frame the scandal as a stark case study in systemic class power, media complicity, and the mechanisms elite networks

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01:07:33

Ep 358 - Now Is the Time of Monsters: Gramsci on...

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2025/12/13

Historian and journalist Vijay Prashad talks with Steve about why Antonio Gramsci still matters.Listeners to this podcast know that we havea pretty goodgrasp of the monetary system.Butwe’reconstantly working to expand our understanding of the systemic underpinnings of real power. How else will we be able to seize it?For help, we turn to Gramsci.According to Vijay,Gramsci was doing class forensics. His core puzzle was brutal and practical:why did big chunks of Italy’sworking-classbail on their own

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01:11:33

Ep 357 - Socialism with Chinese Characteristics with...

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2025/12/06

In today’s world, anyone serious about anti-imperialism, globaldevelopment, and monetary sovereignty needs to break through the well-funded USpropaganda machine anddevelop a fact-based, nuanced understanding of China.To this end, Steve asked Yan Liang to come back to the podcast to look at China through the MMT lens, analyzing its economic management, global role, and response toWestern villainization.They discussChina’sdevelopment ethosanddescribeChina as a state that actively uses its monetary and

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01:07:01

Ep 356 - Scotland's Economic Suicide Pact? with Will...

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2025/11/29

Steveand hisguest,Scottish political economistWilliam Thomson,usethe fight over Scotland’sindependence to dissect how class power hides inside “neutral” economic rules.Will, founder of SCOTONOMICS, talks about his journey from neoclassical training to a heterodox, political-economy perspective grounded in MMT, ecological economics, and class analysis.He recentlywrotea paper(with friend-of-the-podcast DirkEhnts)showing how the Scottish government’s plan to copy the EU’s Stability and Growth Pact and

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01:06:33

Ep 355 - Dialectics of Dominance with Aaron Good

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2025/11/22

“We’re at an inflection point – a civilizational crisis. Western imperial dominance is ending, and its dying spasms are only accelerating the collapse.” Aaron GoodAaron Good, author of American Exception: Empire and the Deep State, is back to talk with Steve about the crisis of the US-led imperial order and the manufactured “common sense” that keeps people trapped inside a rigged system.Centuries of Western imperial dominance are unraveling, and the US responds withflailing, genocidal actions in

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Ep 354 - The Fed As a Weapon of Class Power with L....

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2025/11/15

Randy:“We’resupposed to believe the central bank manages inflation by using interest rates?"Steve: “It’s ridiculous.”L. Randall Wray, one of the original MMT economists, recentlywrotea paper with Yeva Nersisyan entitled,No, the Fed is NOT Independent– It is a Creature of Congress.Steve invitedRandy for a conversationabouthow the Federal Reserve is, and always has been, a "creature of Congress," and itssupposed independenceis a smokescreen thatbenefitsthe wealthy at the expense of the rest of us.The

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01:00:01

Ep 353 - Dollars for Oligarchs, Austerity for...

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2025/11/08

** Want to take a deeper dive into this podcast? Join us on Tuesday evenings for Macro ‘n Chill, where we listen to the most recentepisode together. Ask questions, shareyour insights, or just hang with us. 8pm ET/5pm PT. Find the registration link at realprogressives.org. And while you’re there, sign up forbook club. It’s not too late – there are still two more sessions in ourcurrent series. **Trump’s “$20B for Argentina” wasn’t aid – it was a heist. Economist Daniel Kostzer joins Steve to

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Ep 352 - Nothing to Hide with Heidi Boghosian

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2025/11/01

Heidi Boghosianis an attorney, author, and co-host of Law and Disorder podcast and radio show.Shejoins Steve to discuss how the USsurveillance state is a tool of class discipline and repression. From the Federalist Society pipeline to post-9/11 “safety” theater, both parties helped build a digital police state that criminalizes poverty, protest, and anyone messing with profits. And let’s not forget the copaganda about “crime” and “illegals” to keep folks scared while manufactured austerity

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Ep 351 - Born on Third Base with Steve Hall

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2025/10/25

"The self-made man is a lie that we have taught people to keep them from complaining, to keep them from whining, to keep them from asking for better from their government, to keep them from asking for better from their employer." The two Steves – Hall and Grumbine –get together to dismantle the myth of the self-made man, exposing it as a centuries-old political weapon designed to disempower the working class.Professor Hall traces the roots of this "possessive individualism" back centuries, sayingit

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01:00:29

Ep 350 - Naked Corruption with Bill Black

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2025/10/18

Do you know what kakistocracy means? You’ll find out in this episode with guest Bill Black. Because, yeah, this is an educational podcast. A lot of us learned the term ‘elite control fraud’ from Bill in past episodes and you’ll hear more about it here.Bill is a great storyteller. His experience as a regulator trying to enforce laws against the great crooks ofthe world gives him a lot of material.If you haven’t already heard our first episode with him, check it out: “Exposed: A Serial Whistleblowers

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Ep 349 - Cultural Syndromes of Capitalism with David...

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2025/10/11

**This week’s Macro ‘n Chill gathering should be a lively one. Whenever we dive intothetopic of cultural hegemony,it sparks a thoughtful discussion. Join us on Tuesday, October 14, 8pm ET/5pm PT. Click here to register This is the 349th episode of our podcast. Just sayin’.Steve’s guest is David Fields, talking about his recent article, The Cultural Syndromes of Capitalism. David explainsthe rise of far-right figures like Donald Trump is not a random accident but a direct outcome of thecapitalist

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Ep 348 - Gaza: Digital Colonialism & Resistance with...

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2025/10/04

The Palestinian liberation struggle is a fundamental class and anti-colonial issue. First-time guest to the podcast, Professor Omar Zahzah,talks with Steve about the active collaboration of Silicon Valley tech giants with the US and Israeli governments to censor and suppress anti-Zionist narratives."What these companies are doing is digitally amplifying a physical process of settler colonial dispossession."Omar goes beyond labeling digital censorship as simple political bias. He argues that Silicon

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