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Macro N Cheese

Steven D Grumbine

A podcast that critically examines the working-class struggle through the lens of MMT or Modern Monetary Theory. Host Steve Grumbine, founder of Real Progressives, provides incisive political commentary and showcases grassroots activism. Join us for a robust, unfiltered exploration of economic issues that impact the working class, as we challenge the status quo and prioritize collective well-being over profit. This is comfort food for the mind, fueling our fight for justice and equity!

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Ep 376 - Modern Monetary Theory & the Question of...

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2026/04/18

** Questions about MMT? Thoughts about the episode? Come to our online gathering, Macro ‘n Chill. Tuesday, April 21, 8pm ET/5pm PT. Use this link to register: https://us06web.zoom.us/meeting/register/RkspaP0RSNajdc69bqUmkAJim Byrne of MMT101 is back for a conversation that moves beyond the technical mechanics of Modern Monetary Theory to ask the tough questions. While affirming MMT’s core insight that a currency-issuing government doesn’t face financial constraint, only real resource limits, they

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01:00:39

Ep 375 - (R)evolutionary Struggle with Steve Grumbine

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2026/04/11

** This week’s Macro ‘n Chill might shake us up. Some of us, at least. Come discuss the episode with the community. Tues, April 14, 8pm ET/5pm PT. Use this link to register: https://us06web.zoom.us/meeting/register/PIf2VnjBS-mwX-Bd4BwWYQIn a solo episode, Steve sets out to describe and explain some of the shifts in direction for Real Progressives and the podcast, mirroring his own changing perspective. He reflects on a decade or more of championing Modern Monetary Theory, while grappling with a

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Ep 374 - Escape From Capitalism with Clara Mattei

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2026/04/04

Join our community on Tuesday evening as we listen to and discuss this episode. April 7th at 8pm ET/5pm PT. Use this link to register: https://us06web.zoom.us/meeting/register/nkkVRy2JQbW2Eh4VDtcNHQClara Mattei and her first book, The Capital Order, were hugely important to Real Progressives as we began to expand our focus from Modern Monetary Theory and investigate the political economy of the capitalist system.Now she joins Steve to talk about her new book, Escape from Capitalism. They discuss how

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Ep 373 - Is There A Path To Fiat Socialism? with...

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2026/03/28

**HaveyoubeencomingtoMacro‘nChillonTuesdayevenings?It’stheonlinegatheringwherewelistentoanddiscussourlatestepisodeinarelaxedatmosphere.Bringyourquestionsandinsightsandhelpbuildthecommunity.March31at8pmET/5pmPT.Registerhere:https://us06web.zoom.us/meeting/register/OhW98SYfRN64vCaX2NVITACarlosGarcíaHernández,authorofFiatSocialism:AchievingtheGoalsofSocialismThroughModernMonetaryTheory,joinsStevetorevisittheirdiscussionoftopicscoveredinhisearliervisitstothepodcast.Theirdialoguewrestleswithadeceptivelysi

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01:06:27

Ep 372 - Crisis of Hegemony & the Vassalization of...

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2026/03/21

** Tuesday evening, March 24, we’ll be listening to and discussing this episode in our online gathering, Macro ‘n Chill. Register here: https://us06web.zoom.us/meeting/register/DeGM2oAyRt2O-Xsj1nc4IQThomas Fazi joins Steve to dissect the geopolitical and ideological structures that have rendered Europe strategically subordinate to the United States. Thomas argues that NATO’s true purpose, from its inception, was not to defend Europe but to ensure its vassalization by keeping "the Americans in, the

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01:06:22

Ep 371 - You Can't Vote Away Colonialism with Fadhel...

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2026/03/14

** Join our community-building online gathering where we listen to the episode together and discuss it in a relaxed, supportive atmosphere. Tuesday, March 17, at 8pm ET/5pm PT. https://us06web.zoom.us/meeting/register/o3miFIPmSAC2d46Vh14iBAOne of our favorite guests is back to talk about the central problem facing much of the Global South. It is not simply bad policy or weak leadership, but the persistence of colonial economic structures. He explains that many countries, especially in Africa, remain

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Ep 370 - Empire & Exodus with Erald Kolasi

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2026/03/07

** We’ll discuss this episode on Tuesday, March 10th (8 pm ET/5 pm PT) in our online community gathering, Macro ‘n Chill. We’ve invited Erald Kolasi to join us. So bring your questions. Register here: https://us06web.zoom.us/meeting/register/hvkv5uyKQkG8DvgUMCckcwErald Kolasi is back to attack the bourgeois narrative on immigration, which reduces it to a series of individual choices. He and Steve dig into the material roots of migration, showing how empire, land theft, war, labor exploitation, and

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01:07:53

Ep 369 - Sarah Connor Warned Us with Peter Byrne

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2026/02/28

While we’re being distracted by chatbots and AI gimmicks, Silicon Valley is quietly embedding its products into surveillance systems, border enforcement, battlefield logistics, and even nuclear command-and-control. The real money isn’t in selfies with AI. It’s in Pentagon contracts and permanent war footing.Investigative reporter Peter Byrne is back to talk with Steve about his 10-part Military AI Watch series at Project Censored. It’s a chilling and materialist analysis of the

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01:01:46

Ep 368 - Socialism Unmade: Confronting Five Centuries...

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2026/02/21

“...Some are dancing, some are drowning, but in the end everybody’s going to go under.”Dr. Ali Kadri (Sun Yat-sen University), author of the Unmaking of Arab Socialism, joins Steve to talk about imperialism, development, and why the Arab world keeps getting put through the capitalist meat grinder. Ali argues that capitalism isn’t just markets and greed. It’s a destructive social relationship. Once you look at it that way, many of the world’s mysteries stop being mysterious: war, austerity,

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01:05:07

Ep 367 - MMT & Marxism: Finding Common Ground with...

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2026/02/14

** Tuesday evening we’ll be listening to and discussing this episode of the podcast in our virtual community gathering. All are invited to Macro ‘n Chill, February at 8pm ET/5pm PT. Find the registration link at the top of our website: realprogressives.orgCan Marxists and MMTers find common ground, or are they doomed to be strategic enemies?Steve’s guest is Australian labor historian and organizer Owen Bennett, who founded the Australian Unemployed Workers’ Union in 2015, and more recently,

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01:04:23

Ep 366 - Who Paid the Pipers of Western Marxism? with...

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2026/02/07

** Every Tuesday evening, we host an online gathering of friends and newcomers, listening to and discussing our podcast. 8pm ET/5pm PT. Join us! After the episode drops, you’ll find the registration link at the top of our website: realprogressives.orgThis week Steve invited Gabriel Rockhill to talk about his new book Who Paid the Pipers of Western Marxism? Vol 1 of The Intellectual World War. The war on communism is about protecting imperial super-profits, keeping cheap labor and resources flowing

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Ep 365 - Funding White Supremacy with Robert B. Williams

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2026/01/31

Funding white supremacy is a core, not incidental, function of the modern capitalist state in the U.S. It is also the title of economist Robert B. Williams’ 2025 book, Funding White Supremacy: Federal Wealth Policies and the Modern Racial Wealth Gap.Bob and Steve share the fundamental position that capitalism doesn’t just produce inequality by accident, it builds durable ladders for some and trapdoors for others. Wealth, not income, is the key instrument because it is power that reproduces itself

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01:00:24

Ep 364 - State Money, Class Struggle with Anthony...

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2026/01/24

We’ve made the case before, but it bears repeating: MMT is a politically neutral, descriptive lens explaining the operational realities of a sovereign fiat currency system where the availability of real resources, not money, are the constraint. And Marxism is an analytical framework for understanding class relations and production. The two are not inherently opposed. It’s a mistake to dismiss MMT as capitalist apologetics.Steve’s guest is Dr. Anthony Anastasi, an economist teaching at the

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Ep 363 - Venezuela's Unfinished Revolution with...

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2026/01/17

** Further questions about this episode? You’re in luck. Tuesday evening, January 20th, Ricardo Vaz will be with us during Macro ‘n Chill, our online gathering. Find the registration link at the top of our website: realprogressives.orgSteve opens in a subdued mood brought on by the dizzying speed of ‘current events.’ For this episode he’s stepping back and looking at Venezuela. News reports are working hard to create confusion. On social media US citizens claim that kidnapping a sitting president is

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01:23:35

Ep 362 - Debunking the Institutional Theory of...

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2026/01/10

** We’ll be discussing this episode on Tuesday, January 13th (8 pm ET/5 pm PT) in our online gathering, Macro ‘n Chill. We’ve invited Erald Kolasi to join us. So bring your questions. Register here: https://us06web.zoom.us/meeting/register/aYopZXEIQ9SPN9gQL2ajXQSteve welcomes back Erald Kolasi, physicist-economist, author, and friend of the podcast. Erald is here to do a demolition job on “institutional” development fables like Acemoglu & Robinson’s Why Nations Fail. He argues that by treating

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Ep 361 - Discernment in the Age of Disinformation...

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2026/01/03

Shealeigh Voitl and Andy Lee Roth join Steve to talk about Project Censored’s State of the Free Press 2025. The book – an annual publication – compiles the year's most important yet underreported or misreported news stories, which they’ve identified through a student-led research process.Andy highlights the point that corporate news focuses on what went wrong today but ignores what goes wrong every day. “It's the difference between dramatic events and systemic problems.”The #1 underreported story is

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01:02:50

Ep 360 - Care Theory of Value with Emma Holten

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2025/12/27

Let’s face it, even “good” macro talk can fall into the trap of treating the economy like a tidy spreadsheet while real lives get crushed in the margins. To help us peer beneath the covers, Steve invited Emma Holten, a Copenhagen-based political economist to talk about her book Deficit: How Feminist Economics Can Change Our World. We often discuss deficits around here, but Emma is looking at a different kind. She reframes deficit as what societies rack up when they systematically undervalue care:

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01:08:04

Ep 359 - Epstein: Power, Corruption & Media...

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2025/12/20

For a masterclass in true bipartisanship, look no further than the guest list of Jeffrey Epstein! We all love a good conspiracy story, but it’s often just business as usual for the class in power.Nolan Higdon – lecturer, media critic, and author of The Gaslight Gazette – is back for a deep analytical dive into the Epstein saga. Moving beyond true-crime sensationalism, Nolan and Steve frame the scandal as a stark case study in systemic class power, media complicity, and the mechanisms elite networks

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Ep 358 - Now Is the Time of Monsters: Gramsci on...

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2025/12/13

Historian and journalist Vijay Prashad talks with Steve about why Antonio Gramsci still matters.Listeners to this podcast know that we havea pretty goodgrasp of the monetary system.Butwe’reconstantly working to expand our understanding of the systemic underpinnings of real power. How else will we be able to seize it?For help, we turn to Gramsci.According to Vijay,Gramsci was doing class forensics. His core puzzle was brutal and practical:why did big chunks of Italy’sworking-classbail on their own

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01:11:33

Ep 357 - Socialism with Chinese Characteristics with...

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2025/12/06

In today’s world, anyone serious about anti-imperialism, globaldevelopment, and monetary sovereignty needs to break through the well-funded USpropaganda machine anddevelop a fact-based, nuanced understanding of China.To this end, Steve asked Yan Liang to come back to the podcast to look at China through the MMT lens, analyzing its economic management, global role, and response toWestern villainization.They discussChina’sdevelopment ethosanddescribeChina as a state that actively uses its monetary and

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