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Uncanny Valley | WIRED

Welcome to Uncanny Valley—an insider look at the people, power, and influence of Silicon Valley—where each week, WIRED’s writers and editors bring you original reporting and analysis about some of the biggest stories in tech. On Tuesdays, WIRED’s Global Editorial Director Katie Drummond sits down with influential figures in culture, politics, business, science, and beyond for a discussion captured through the WIRED lens.On Thursdays, WIRED writers and editors Zoë Schiffer, Brian Barrett and

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35:08

Tech Elites in the Epstein Files; Musk’s Mega Merger;...

Uncanny Valley | WIRED ·

2026/02/05

This week, Brian and Leah dive into the key tech industry figures who show up in the final batch of the Epstein Files. Then, they discuss SpaceX and xAI’s blockbuster merger, and what it says about the future of Elon Musk’s companies. Plus, we share the story of how a whistleblower revealed — and fled — the inner operations of crypto scam compound in Laos. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices

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48:55

Big Intv: Fallout Director Jonathan Nolan Says He's...

Uncanny Valley | WIRED ·

2026/02/03

Katie sits down with the Westworld showrunner, Jonah Nolan for a wide ranging conversation about what keeps him coming back to sci-fi storytelling about technology and human nature. After decades of writing about Ai, Nolan explains why Ai may be good for burgeoning filmmakers, but won’t replace Hollywood as we know it.Nolan’s past work includes Memento, The Prestige, The Dark Knight, Interstellar and Westworld. Join WIRED’s best and brightest on Uncanny Valley as they dissect the collision

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31:32

BIG INTV: Silicon Valley Tech Workers’ Campaign to...

Uncanny Valley | WIRED ·

2026/01/30

In the wake of the shooting of ICU nurse Alex Pretti in the streets of Minneapolis, several prominent tech executives attended a private White House screening of Melania, a documentary being released by Amazon MGM Studios. The timing was not lost on the group of Silicon Valley workers who recently launched ICEout.tech, essentially an open letter to their bosses. The letter, posted following Renee Nicole Good’s killing earlier this month, has now been signed by more than 1,000 tech

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35:09

Minneapolis Misinformation; TikTok’s New Owners;...

Uncanny Valley | WIRED ·

2026/01/29

In today’s episode, Brian and Zoë are joined by WIRED’s Tim Marchman to discuss the news of the week — including how far-right influencers spread misinformation in Minneapolis, and why TikTok’s US version is off to a rocky start. Plus, we dive into why some people are currently obsessed with the AI assistant Moltbot. Articles mentioned in this episode: ICE Is Using Palantir’s AI Tools to Sort Through Tips | WIRED Google DeepMind Staffers Ask Leaders to Keep Them ‘Physically Safe’ From ICE

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36:09

Trump Davos Drama; AI Midterms; ChatGPT's Last Resort

Uncanny Valley | WIRED ·

2026/01/22

Welcome back to Uncanny Valley! This week, WIRED’s Brian Barrett and Leah Feiger are joining the show as the new co-hosts, alongside Zoë Schiffer. And our attention has been on the drama going down in the quaint little town of Davos. Zoë tells us how at the World Economic Forum’s event, major AI players like Anthropic have been the protagonists — sharing the spotlight with President Trump, who insists on invading Greenland. Brian has been looking at how ICE activity is developing across the

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58:08

BIG INTV: Wikipedia's Founder on Holding the Line in...

Uncanny Valley | WIRED ·

2026/01/20

Katie sits down with Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wales talks about what it means to build something used by billions of people that’s not optimized for growth at all costs. Jimmy reflected on Wikipedia’s messy, human origins, the ways it’s been targeted by governments from Russia to Saudi Arabia, and the challenges of holding the line on neutrality in an online ecosystem hostile to the notion that facts even exist.Join WIRED’s best and brightest on Uncanny Valley as they dissect the collision

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51:43

BIG INTV: Reid Hoffman Wants Silicon Valley to ‘Stand...

Uncanny Valley | WIRED ·

2026/01/13

The LinkedIn cofounder and frequent Trump target, Reid Hoffman has a simple message for his peers: “Just speak up about the things that you think are true.”Join WIRED’s best and brightest on Uncanny Valley as they dissect the collision of tech, politics, finance, and business, from Alexis Ohanian's newest tech venture to the effects of inaccurate information from artificial intelligence (AI) chatbots on social protests.Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices

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54:19

BIG INTV: Margaret Atwood on Doomscrolling: ‘I Want...

Uncanny Valley | WIRED ·

2026/01/06

On this week’s episode of The Big Interview, the author of The Handmaid’s Tale, Margaret Atwood talks about Elon Musk, political resistance, and why she still has hope for America’s future.Join WIRED’s best and brightest on Uncanny Valley as they dissect the collision of tech, politics, finance, and business, from Alexis Ohanian's newest tech venture to the effects of inaccurate information from artificial intelligence (AI) chatbots on social protests.Learn about your ad choices:

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42:42

BIG INTV: CTO Elizabeth Stone On The Future of...

Uncanny Valley | WIRED ·

2025/12/23

Netflix CTO Elizabeth Stone is an anomaly. Instead of coding, she spent her twenties getting a PhD in economics. She quietly rose through the ranks in Silicon Valley and is now responsible for leading Netflix’s technology push towards live programming. In this candid conversation, Stone discusses the value of failure, the power behind genuine curiosity, and why she can’t pick her favorite Love is Blind couple.-Join WIRED’s best and brightest on Uncanny Valley as they dissect the collision

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31:00

WIRED Roundup: The Five Tech and Politics Trends That...

Uncanny Valley | WIRED ·

2025/12/19

For better or for worse, this year had it all — from the AI industry shaping the global economy and our lives, to the so-called Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) taking over U.S federal agencies under Elon Musk’s leadership. In today’s episode, Zoë and WIRED’s executive editor Brian Barrett get together to reflect on some of this year’s key moments — and how they give us important clues as to what we can expect this upcoming year. Articles mentioned in this episode: The AI Data

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25:43

Introducing A New Chapter for Uncanny Valley

Uncanny Valley | WIRED ·

2025/12/18

As the year draws to an end, Mike and Lauren have some news to share with listeners. But first, they head over to the pool to unwind and reflect on what they’ll be watching for in the tech space this upcoming year, and what they think should stay behind. Articles mentioned in this episode: OpenAI's Big Bet That Jony Ive Can Make AI Hardware Work | WIRED Tech CEOs Praise Donald Trump at White House Dinner | WIRED IPOs | Latest News, Photos & Videos | WIRED Join WIRED’s best and

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45:51

BIG INTV: AWS CEO Matt Garman Doesn’t Think AI Should...

Uncanny Valley | WIRED ·

2025/12/16

The head of Amazon Web Services has big plans to offer AI tools to businesses, but says that replacing coders with AI is “a non-starter for anyone who's trying to build a long-term company.” Katie sits down to discuss German's vision, and why Amazon could be a dark horse in the AI race. Join WIRED’s best and brightest on Uncanny Valley as they dissect the collision of tech, politics, finance, and business, from Alexis Ohanian's newest tech venture to the effects of inaccurate information

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26:00

WIRED Roundup: Making Art In the AI Era, With...

Uncanny Valley | WIRED ·

2025/12/12

You don’t have to be a fan of musicals to know about the Wicked film franchise — it’s been everywhere since the first film launched last year, and that’s exactly how director Jon. M Chu wanted it. At WIRED’s Big Interview event last week, senior culture editor Manisha Krishnan sat down with Chu to discuss what it takes to make a blockbuster during a moment of deep changes in the film industry. In today’s episode, we are taking a break from the week’s headlines and bringing you their

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47:07

AMD CEO Lisa Su Isn’t Afraid of the Competition

Uncanny Valley | WIRED ·

2025/12/11

Last week, some of the most forward-thinking minds in tech, culture, and politics came together for WIRED’s Big Interview event — a series of live, in-depth conversations with industry leaders. To kick off the event, Lauren sat down with AMD’s CEO Lisa Su. In today’s episode, Mike and Lauren sit down to discuss the key ideas that came up during the interview, as well as the other conversations that caught everyone’s attention during the event. Articles mentioned in this episode: AMD CEO

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31:14

BIG INTV: San Francisco Mayor Daniel Lurie: ‘We Are a...

Uncanny Valley | WIRED ·

2025/12/09

Since taking office, San Francisco’s mayor has been on a quest to revitalize the city and increase public safety. He’s also kept the National Guard out—with a little help from some very powerful friends. Katie sat down with Mayor Lurie (who took off his shoes) on stage at WIRED’s Big Interview Event in San Francisco. Join WIRED’s best and brightest on Uncanny Valley as they dissect the collision of tech, politics, finance, and business, from Alexis Ohanian's newest tech venture to the

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25:47

WIRED Roundup: DOGE Isn’t Dead, Facebook Dating Is...

Uncanny Valley | WIRED ·

2025/12/05

In today’s episode, Zoë is joined by WIRED’s Leah Feiger to discuss five stories you need to know about this week — from how Amazon is trying to catch up in the AI race, to why Facebook Dating is more popular than ever. Then, they dive into how despite recent reports claiming that DOGE is over, its operatives are still working across federal agencies. Articles mentioned in this episode: Amazon Has New Frontier AI Models—and a Way for Customers to Build Their Own | WIRED Poems Can Trick AI

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36:16

What Happens When Your Coworkers Are AI Agents

Uncanny Valley | WIRED ·

2025/12/04

This year, AI agents have been at the forefront of tech companies' ambitions. OpenAI’s Sam Altman has often talked about a possible billion-dollar company being spun up with just one human and an army of AI agents. And so last summer, journalist Evan Ratliff decided to try to become that unicorn himself — by creating HarumoAI, a small startup that’s made up of AI employees and executives. Mike and Lauren sit down with Evan to discuss how it’s going, and the current promises and realities of

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46:48

BIG INTV: Melinda French Gates on Secrets: ‘Live a...

Uncanny Valley | WIRED ·

2025/12/02

On this week’s episode of The Big Interview podcast, the philanthropist sits down with Katie to offer her insights on billionaire donors, kids on phones, and the importance of women’s healthcare.Join WIRED’s best and brightest on Uncanny Valley as they dissect the collision of tech, politics, finance, and business, from Alexis Ohanian's newest tech venture to the effects of inaccurate information from artificial intelligence (AI) chatbots on social protests. Learn about your ad choices:

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23:00

WIRED Roundup: Epstein Files Fallout, NVIDIA...

Uncanny Valley | WIRED ·

2025/11/21

In today’s episode, Zoë is joined by WIRED’s Max Zeff to discuss five stories you need to know about this week — from the political fallout after the release of the Epstein files, to why two young mormon men created an app to help men stop "gooning". Then, we dive into Gemini 3's release and how companies like Google and OpenAI are honing in on AI profitability. Please help us improve Uncanny Valley by filling out our listener survey:

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27:42

Can Tech Get Rid of Bad Trips?

Uncanny Valley | WIRED ·

2025/11/20

Whether it's teenagers reviving the Benadryl TikTok challenge or people signing up for an out of body experience program previously used by the CIA, some of us are chasing unconventional trips. Bad trips, essentially. But these trends are happening at a time when AI companies are also looking to create a “cleaner” trip for users, and others are using AI chatbots to therapeutically guide their psychedelic trips. Mike sits down with WIRED's Boone Ashworth and Manisha Krishnan to discuss these

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