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The Next Move

John Paton - @johngetstrong

Endurance, strength, and long-term health in all its forms. The Next Move features conversations with athletes, coaches, scientists, and thinkers exploring how to train, think, and live better. By John Paton - @johngetstrong johngetstrong.substack.com

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47:01

You Are The Expert In Your Own Life! The Surprising...

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2026/01/08

George Hearn is a life coach who came into coaching through a high-achieving academic and corporate path—studying Geography at Cambridge, spending years in strategy consulting, and then moving into the startup world—before realizing he was more drawn to helping people design intentional, fulfilling livesIn this episode, George breaks down what coaching actually is (and why it’s often not about giving advice), how he structures sessions using tools like the Wheel of Life, Ikigai, and visualization,

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42:20

Strength Changes Everything! No Running To Elite...

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2026/01/06

Gabrielle Nicora-Baker is an Elite 15 HYROX athlete who came into the sport from a pure strength and bodybuilding background, with almost no running experience before her first race in 2024. In less than a year, Gabrielle progressed from her first mixed doubles race to competing in elite fields. In this episode, Gabrielle breaks down how her strength base accelerated her rise in HYROX, how she trains and fuels for elite racing, and what she’s learned from racing frequently, hiring a coach, and

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38:34

A Sub-60 HYROX Is Nearly Impossible Without a Strong...

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2025/12/30

Owen Silver is a software engineer and experienced triathlete who ran a 60-minute HYROX in his very first season of racing. Owen and I also teamed up for the HYROX Pro Doubles in Melbourne, where we finished in 58:52. In this episode, Owen breaks down the training principles that helped him cut five minutes off his HYROX time in just six months.Episode breakdown:00:57 – Why Owen switched from triathlon to HYROX02:06 – “HYROX is a runner’s sport”: endurance base vs strength05:11 – Owen’s triathlon

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53:33

Hyrox World Record Holder: Efficiency is Key for...

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2025/12/20

Pelayo Menendez-Fernandez holds the Hyrox doubles world record, having raced an incredible 48:31 alongside Rich Ryan in Miami.In this episode, we break down the training principles that fuel his performances — from his signature “Hyrox endurance” sessions (long, controlled station work that builds pacing and efficiency), to the small technique tweaks that save huge amounts of energy on race day. Pelayo also shares how he structures a basic Hyrox training week, why he avoids race simulations, and the

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46:59

“Elite Athletes Are Tired All The Time” — Dr. John...

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2025/11/10

Dr. John Hellemans is a New Zealand-based sports medicine doctor, elite triathlon coach, and former champion triathlete. A six-time national titleholder and eight-time Masters World Champion, he also coached Olympians and founded the NZ Triathlon Academy. Known for blending medical insight with intuitive coaching, he completed the Kona Ironman at 60 and was awarded the MNZM in 2020 for services to triathlon.In this episode, Dr. Hellemans recounts the evolution of triathlon training — from the

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49:38

The Most Extensive Self-Tracking Experiment - 250...

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2025/10/31

Rob ter Horst is a postdoctoral researcher in bioinformatics and the creator behind The Quantified Scientist YouTube channel, where he rigorously tests and reviews health and fitness tracking devices.Rob shares how his curiosity for data led him from wearing a simple Fitbit to conducting one of the most extensive self-tracking experiments ever — including over 250 weekly brain MRIs since 2018. We explore his journey into quantifying nearly every aspect of his biology, his insights into the accuracy

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48:12

Iñaki de la Parra: "Zone 2 Training Burned Me Out......

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2025/10/23

Iñaki de la Parra is an Ultraman champion, elite endurance athlete, and entrepreneur.In this conversation, he shares his philosophy on training, recovery, and life design—emphasizing low-intensity training, daily movement, and a long-term approach to athletic development.He talks about transitioning from a high-intensity, burnout-prone training style to one centered around Zone 0 and Zone 1 training, guided by coach Alan Couzens. Iñaki also explains how he balances a demanding life—running

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59:40

Rich Ryan on Mastering Hyrox: Sled Dominance,...

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2025/10/15

Rich Ryan is an Elite 15 Hyrox AthleteWe talk about:* How Rich achieved the fastest sled times at the 2025 World Championships* What athletic backgrounds tend to do best at Hyrox* Why Rich believes threshold training is so key for Hyrox* How Rich has been able to keep on improving at Hyrox into his late 30s* What Rich has learned about competing at Hyrox doubles* Why Rich decided to up his YouTube gameEpisode breakdown:00:00 – Intro01:07 – Reflecting on the 2025 season: highs and learnings03:03 –

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57:11

Is HYROX a Healthy Way to Train? – Dr. Dan Plews (#8)

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2025/07/14

Dr. Dan Plews is a world-class coach, scientist, and athlete.In this episode, Dan breaks down his transition from triathlon to Hyrox, how he balances strength and endurance in training, and why most athletes get intensity wrong.We talk about:* Why Hyrox is the perfect mix of endurance and strength* Common training mistakes and how to avoid them* Dan’s weekly structure: double thresholds, strength, and compromise runs* Recovery capacity: what really drives it* Nutrition and hydration: what matters,

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70:25

The Norwegian Method, Recovery & The...

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2025/07/07

The Norwegian Method Demystified – Dr. David Lipman Joins the Show!Dr. David Lipman has one of the most fascinating careers at the intersection of health, fitness, and technology. A medical doctor, endurance athlete, and coach, David also hosts The Norwegian Method podcast, where he’s had rare behind-the-scenes access to the Norwegian triathlon team that’s been redefining the sport in recent years.In this episode, we go deep on the training philosophies and human-centered approach that have made

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50:10

“I Wasn’t Even at Max Effort” – How Tim Wenisch Won...

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2025/06/30

The 2025 Hyrox World Champion – Tim Wenisch – Joins the Show!Tim and I sit down for an in-depth look at his incredible World Championship win and the years of training that led up to it. We dive right into the race strategy that helped him dominate the field with a blistering 29:06 total run time—50 seconds faster than anyone else!We talk about:* His "go hard early" strategy and what it was like running at 3:10/km pace* Passing Hunter mid-race and the mental edge that gave him* Why he wasn’t even at

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52:22

Elite HYROX Athlete James Kelly: “My Ego Got in the...

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2025/06/26

Elite HYROX athlete James Kelly joins the show just two weeks after the HYROX World Championships to unpack what really happened on race day. We explore the highs and lows of his season, including his race-day strategy breakdown, the lessons learned from going out too hot, and the mental and physical rebuild that followed a challenging mid-season. James shares key insights from his training with coach Anthony Peressini, how he’s mastered the Wall Ball, and why building a strong support team has been

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45:13

How Elite Hyrox Athletes Really Train - Anthony...

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2025/06/20

In this episode I sit down with Anthony Peressini—engineer, elite HYROX coach, and co-host of the Hybrid Coaching Podcast. Anthony currently coaches more elite HYROX athletes than anyone else in the world, including multiple world championship qualifiers. In this conversation, we dive deep into what it takes to be world-class in HYROX: the blend of strength and endurance, the evolution of performance standards, and how athletes like James Kelly are pushing the limits.👇Episode breakdown:00:00 Intro

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74:06

Endurance Icon Gordo Byrn: Going All-In On Training,...

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2025/06/12

In his late 20s, Gordo Byrn left a high-powered career in finance to go all-in on endurance training. By the age of 33, he had won the Ultraman World Championships.Gordo is one of the most thoughtful voices in the world of endurance. He writes regularly on his two Substacks — Endurance Essentials and True Wealth. Both are well worth checking out.We cover the “why” behind pursuing endurance training, what to do when training becomes compulsive, Gordo’s experience with over 100 training camps, how he

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41:53

The Norwegian Method: Double Threshold Interval...

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2025/06/08

Brad Culp is the author of The Norwegian Method, which explores the training methods and cultural philosophy behind the Norwegian style of endurance training—an approach that has produced world-class athletes like Kristian Blummenfelt, Gustav Iden, and Jakob Ingebrigtsen.In this conversation, we dive into the thinking behind double threshold interval training, explore Jakob’s high-intensity hill workouts, examine the role of low-intensity sessions in the Norwegian system, and much more… 👇Episode

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68:56

Elite Endurance Coach: “They Trained More… and Got...

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2025/06/03

Alan Couzens is one of the sharpest minds in endurance training. Alan works with everyone from first-time triathletes to world-class pros, bringing a data-driven, long-term approach to getting better. In this conversation, we break down what actually drives endurance progress, why most athletes train too hard and improve too little, and how long it really takes to reach your potential. We also get into HRV, glycogen, metabolic testing, and why rest might be the most underrated tool in your training

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