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How I Learned to Love Shrimp

How I Learned To Love Shrimp is a podcast showcasing innovative and impactful ways to help animals and build the animal advocacy movement.We talk to campaigners, lobbyists, scientists, and other experts about a variety of ways to help animals: policy advocacy, pressure campaigns, alternative proteins, grassroots advocacy, and much more. We released episodes every 4 weeks or so.Subscribe and please do share with any interested people! You can also leave feedback and suggestions by contacting us

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67:33

Taj Uppal on risking 6 years in prison for rescuing...

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2026/09/29

My guest today is Taj Uppal, an animal rights activist and lawyer. We recorded this conversation while Taj was facing two felony charges and more than six years in prison for rescuing two baby goats from an industrial dairy farm in California. Since recording, a judge has reduced those charges to misdemeanours. The case is not over, but the most serious threat discussed in the episode has now been removed, which is great news. Nonetheless the consequences for Taj have been substantial, includ...

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70:48

Nina Friedrich on why (and how) you should transition...

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2026/09/03

My guest today is Nina Friedrich, the Executive Director of High Impact Professionals (HIP). HIP helps experienced professionals move into work tackling some of the world’s most pressing problems, including farmed animal welfare. Nina has a PhD in mathematics from Cambridge University and previously worked as a software engineer and strategy consultant before making a career change towards more altruistic work herself. In this episode, we talk about why moving into animal advocacy can be...

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76:02

Jiri Krupa (& Jesse Marks) on using fundraising to...

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2026/07/09

This is a new kind of episode! I am trialling something where I am asking other people to be the interview host, rather than me. This has many benefits, one of them being you get a break from hearing my voice. But you also get to hear from a broader range of talented advocates who know much more about a certain area than I do, giving a much richer conversation. The first guest-hosted episode is run by Jesse Marks, Program Officer at The Navigation Fund, who interviews Jiri Krupa, who ru...

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70:51

Anne Hilhorst on hitting companies where it hurts

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2026/06/04

My guest for today is Anne Hilhorst, CEO of Wakker Dier, a Dutch animal welfare organisation. She joined Wakker Dier when she left university 15 years ago and plans to be there for another 15 years! Besides the impressive longevity of their staff, Wakker Dier is a really impressive and interesting organisation that I knew very little about. Thanks to them, no supermarket in the Netherlands has sold eggs from caged hens since 2006, no fast-growing breeds of chicken since 2021 and over 90% of t...

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86:13

Toby Schiønning on "fair cop" and a new model for...

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2026/03/24

My guest today is Thorbjørn Schiønning, also known as Toby, who is the Director of Communications and Campaigns, and co-founder of Anima International. He’s been involved in animal rights for 15+ years, specialising in corporate outreach, campaigning and media work. In this epsiode, we speak about the recent huge success for chickens in Norway – where the Norwegian chicken industry agreed to phase out fast-growing broiler breeds, affecting over 70 million animals, by the end of 2027 – t...

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71:57

Seth Green on why reducing meat consumption is hard...

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2026/02/26

This episode, I spoke with Seth Ariel Green, a research scientist at the Humane and Sustainable Food Lab at Stanford university. He recently published a meta-analysis called “Meaningfully reducing consumption of meat and animal products is an unsolved problem” (EA Forum summary here) where he reviewed over 30 papers and hundreds of interventions on the topic. Seth also writes about the science of meat reduction on his Substack, called Regression to the Meat, which I highly recommend checking ...

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67:04

2025 Highlights: All the best bits from How I Learned...

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2026/01/27

Today, we’re bringing you a special highlights episode! It’s a roundup of some of the most interesting conversations we had in 2025. They include: Vicky Bond (Madre Brava) on what it's really like to lead in animal advocacy Lewis Bollard (Coefficient Giving) on the strategies that win and traps to avoid Dawn Neo (Global Food Partners) on the 4+ billion hens in cages in Asia and how we can help themDavid Cole (author of Engines of Liberty) on what we can learn from the marriage equal...

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62:37

Dawn Neo on the 4+ billion hens in cages in Asia and...

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2025/12/16

Dawn was one of the first people in Asia working on cage-free reforms – she started working on Asian farm animal welfare 10 years ago, often as one of the few individuals talking to major food companies about improving the welfare of animals in their supply chain. Dawn Neo is the director of corporate engagement at Global Food Partners. She works with food and hospitality businesses as well as various stakeholders in the industry to improve farm animal welfare. Prior to joining Global F...

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77:33

Vicky Bond on what it’s really like to lead in animal...

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2025/11/11

Vicky Bond has done lots of impressive stuff in her career – she started working as a vet and later ended up running a 100+ person organisation, The Humane League (THL), which many of you might be familiar with as one of the key organisations campaigning to get chickens out of cages. She is now the CEO of Madre Brava, an international climate campaigning group focused on food. Given Vicky’s extensive leadership and management experience, managing teams ranging from 5 to over 110, I want...

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70:51

Sjir Hoeijmakers on a small commitment that will help...

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2025/10/14

Today we're talking about a topic that's really important to me personally: donating and effective giving. Specifically, why donating 10% of your income to the most effective animal charities might be one of the most important things you can do to improve the world. To dive deep into this topic, I’m so excited to have Sjir Hoeijmakers on the show today. Sjir is the CEO of Giving What We Can (GWWC), the global organisation promoting effective giving and the 10% pledge. Even more impressive tha...

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50:43

David Cole on what we can learn from the marriage...

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2025/09/24

David Cole is a professor of constitutional law at Georgetown University, a regular contributor to the New York Review of Books, a former national legal director of the ACLU and author of the popular book on social change in the US, Engines of Liberty. This book, a must-read for anyone interested in social movements, is the focus of our discussion today. We spoke about the importance of local organising for political momentum, why incremental progress has seemed to work for other issues,...

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66:25

Penny Tehilah on uniting “welfarists” and...

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2025/09/09

Penny, the Executive Director of Animal Activism Collective, has helped bring hundreds of new activists into the grassroots animal movement, as well as supporting dozens of local grassroots groups around the US. Collectively, these groups, and AAC’s network, have been responsible for securing dozens of victories for animals, including getting over 80 companies and restaurants to drop foie gras, fur and much more. That’s why I was very excited to speak with Penny today about something that fee...

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83:53

Lewis Bollard on the strategies that win, the traps...

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2025/08/19

Lewis Bollard should be a familiar name for those trying to improve the lives of farmed animals. For almost 10 years, he’s been running the farm animal welfare program at Open Philanthropy, the largest funder in the fight against factory farming. It's hard to think of someone who's had a large positive influence on the modern farm animal welfare movement. In this conversation, we discuss the many different approaches we can take to help animals. We talk about why some strategies are les...

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39:41

Cass Sunstein on why people self-silence about animal...

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2025/07/29

Cass Sunstein has one of the most impressive track records out there. He’s the author of the social change books Nudge and How Change Happens, a Harvard Law professor and former US government official in the Obama administration. He has been writing about animal rights law since as early as 1999 and has written several seminal papers on the topic. He has a forthcoming book, with the working title Animals Matter, discussing how we can normalise and popularise caring about animals in mainstream...

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59:27

Thom Norman on whether diet change is a...

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2025/07/02

There are never-ending conversations in the animal advocacy movement about whether diet change is an effective ask for the public. Today, we speak with Thom from FarmKind on why he thinks asking people to donate, rather than change their diet, can be a much more promising approach. We speak about why behaviour change is difficult, the many benefits of donating, what other social movements have used as their asks, as well as the different experiments FarmKind has run in their quest to figure o...

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58:47

Alice Di Concetto on why EU animal welfare reforms...

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2025/06/12

The EU is one of the most important institutions in the world. They had amazingly ambitious plans to transform the lives of the billions of farmed animals in the EU which sadly, were put on hold last year. Today, we speak to an expert in EU animal welfare policy, Alice Di Concetto from the European Institute for Animal Law & Policy, about what happened, what animal advocates might hope to win in the next few years and how we might improve our lobbying efforts. Resources: European In...

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48:27

James on Changed My Mind, talking about disruptive...

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2025/05/12

Today, we’re sharing a different kind of episode. Not an episode of How I Learned to Love Shrimp but an appearance that I, James, made on another podcast, Changed My Mind. It's all about what causes people to change their mind and this time, I talk about my experience with changing my view on disruptive protests and social movements. This podcast is run by Aidan and Thom from FarmKind, who some listeners may know about, as a great new charity working to raise funds for animal issues.&nb...

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63:59

Katie Cantrell on shifting millions of meals to...

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2025/05/06

There is an age-old debate within animal advocacy on the importance of educating the public. Is it simply enough to tell people about the harms of industrial animal agriculture and then they will change their behaviours? Sadly, not it seems. Many people have been disappointed about the amount of behaviour change that’s actually happened over the past few decades due to education, as seen in relatively stagnant numbers of people going vegetarian or vegan. That’s why I’m excited that this...

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57:14

50th Episode Special: 5 leaders on key changes and...

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2025/04/15

To mark our 50th episode, we're bringing you something special: Five movement leaders talking about some of the biggest developments for animals in the past two years as well as what advocates should focus on next for the next two years. Highlighting advancements in policy, corporate campaigns, alternative proteins, and investment in overlooked species, this is an information-packed episode so don't miss out! Our guests: David Coman-Hidy from The Navigation FundCarolina Galvani ...

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57:00

Kelvey Vander Hart on appealing to wide range of...

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2025/04/02

Kelvey Vander Hart from the Wilberforce Institute joins us to share her approach to animal advocacy from a politically right-of-center view and how her Christian faith guides her activism. • The importance of bipartisan approaches to engage the masses in animal advocacy • Why animal welfare should be a cross-cutting issue that transcends political affiliation • How political coalitions can be built around specific animal welfare issues rather than comprehensive platforms • Reforming governme...

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