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System Shift: Leading Change So Students Thrive

Dr. Gail Angus, Dr. Leesa Huang, and Dr. Mary Beth Kropp

“System Shift: Leading Change So Students Thrive” is the go-to podcast for education leaders dedicated to building safe, inclusive learning environments through transformative, sustainable system-wide change. Hosted by Dr. Gail Angus, Dr. Leesa Huang, and Dr. Mary Beth Kropp— expert practitioners with implementing complex initiatives—this podcast blends cutting-edge research, actionable strategies, and authentic stories from education leaders who’ve navigated the challenges of system-wide

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[RE-FEATURE] Ep 4: Purpose Driven Teaming-Disrupting...

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2025/11/24

System Shifters! This week we are re-featuring one of our most popular episodes from the summer because it addresses the issues we hear from leaders year-round.How many teams exist at your school and are they aligned to a shared purpose? In this episode, Dr. Gail, Dr. Mary Beth, and Dr. Leesa explore how to rethink school teams for collective efficacy, collaboration, and student-centered outcomes. In This Episode: Why simply filling teams with volunteers isn’t enough and what to do

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23: Build Trust and Safety into Team Meetings To...

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2025/11/17

System Shifters: picture this: it’s Monday morning, your leadership team is gathered to discuss student outcomes, and you ask, “What should we do differently?” Silence. The ideas are there, but no one’s sharing them. No amount of collaboration time can fix what’s really missing—healthy team dynamics. In this episode, we build on last week’s discussion about psychological safety and dive into the how: how trust, communication, and conflict resolution shape your team’s ability to think,

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22: The Missing Foundation: Why School Collaboration...

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2025/11/10

What if the secret to your school’s success isn’t about having the smartest people or the best plan but about how safe people feel to speak up, take risks, and learn together?In this episode of System Shift, we explore psychological safety, the foundation that makes collective efficacy possible. Drawing on research from Google and Harvard Business School’s Amy Edmondson, we break down how trust, safety, and relationships create the emotional infrastructure for authentic collaboration and

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21: Building Collective Efficacy: How Educational...

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2025/11/03

What happens when professional learning communities feel more like compliance than collaboration? In this episode of System Shift, we explore the research behind collective efficacy—the belief that when educators work together, they will make a difference—and how it transforms teaching, learning, and school culture.Join Drs. Mary Beth, Gail, and Leesa as they unpack how to turn teamwork into true collaboration, build trust among staff, and create the conditions for learning that elevate

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20: Sustaining the Momentum: How Educational Leaders...

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2025/10/27

What happens when the excitement of a new initiative fades, budgets tighten, or leadership changes hands? Too often, well-intentioned work around Conditions for Learning fades into the background remembered by a few, sustained by even fewer. In this episode of System Shift, we explore how to make Conditions for Learning so deeply embedded in your school or district culture that they survive every shift, change, and challenge. You’ll hear practical strategies for integrating these

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19: Making it Stick: Sustaining Conditions for...

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2025/10/20

It’s easy to get excited about new initiatives but sustaining them is where real system change happens. In this episode, the System Shift team explores what happens after Conditions for Learning have been rolled out. Specifically, how to keep the momentum going six months later when the excitement has worn off.This conversation digs into the role of adult accountability in creating safe, connected, and thriving learning environments. From modeling consistent daily behaviors to fostering a

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18: Beyond Good Intentions: How School Leaders...

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2025/10/13

In this episode of System Shift, we explore how Conditions for Learning can serve as the foundation that strengthens the work schools are already doing, not as “one more thing.” Drs. Mary Beth, Gail, and Leesa break down practical steps for making Conditions for Learning intentional, connected, and sustainable whether at the district, school, or classroom level.You’ll hear how focusing on seven key characteristics (safety and belonging, supportive relationships, high expectations,

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17: From Nation at Risk to Nation at Hope: How...

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2025/10/06

In this episode of System Shift, we dive into why creating the right conditions is essential for academic, social, and emotional success. Drawing from the groundbreaking report A Nation at Hope, we explore how districts and schools can move beyond a narrow focus on academics to embrace the whole child.You’ll hear how conditions for learning aren’t just built in classrooms. They must be modeled and reinforced at every level of a system, from district leadership to school boards to classroom

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16: Data Governance in Education: Building Secure,...

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2025/09/29

When reports don’t align or numbers don’t match, confusion takes over and trust in data suffers. That’s why data governance is essential. In this episode of System Shift, Drs. Gail, Leesa, & Mary Beth welcome back Jeremy Deckard and Jimmie Houts of Viridian Education to break down what K-12 data governance really means, why it matters, and how schools can begin to strengthen their own practices. Far from being just a technical or IT concern, data governance touches every person and part

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15: Educational Data Systems: From Silos to Student...

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2025/09/22

What if the data we collect in schools could actually prevent crises instead of just documenting them? In this episode of System Shift, we welcome Jeremy Deckard and Jimmie Houts, co-founders of Viridian Education, to dig into how districts can break down silos and truly integrate their data systems. From academics to attendance to behavior, too often each department sees only part of a student’s story. Jeremy and Jimmie share how shifting from “my data” to “our data” and using data as a

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14: Designing Strategic Data Cycles for Lasting Change

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2025/09/15

Educational leaders face constant pressure: boards want results tomorrow, while true systemic transformation takes years. How do you balance urgency with sustainability? In this episode of System Shift, we unpack how to design data cycles that serve both timelines, providing quick wins to build momentum and transparency while keeping the long view in focus.In This Episode: The difference between short- and long-cycle data and why schools need both. How to use Universal Screeners as part

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13: Sharing the Right Data, with the Right People, at...

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2025/09/08

How we present data matters just as much as the data itself. In this episode, we unpack a real story from the field; sharing SEL screening results with staff and the very different reactions it sparked. Some teachers got defensive, while others tuned out entirely. The lesson? Data can only drive improvement when it’s connected to purpose, shared at the right level, and discussed in a safe, trust-filled environment. We explore how MTSS provides a framework for using data across academics,

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12: Starting Smart with Data - Asking the Right...

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2025/09/01

School leaders often say they’re “data rich but process poor” overflowing with numbers but still unsure what’s really happening in their schools. In the first episode of our new data series, we explore why the key to making data meaningful isn’t collecting more, but clarifying the questions you want to answer. We share how connecting data to your school’s purpose, combining quantitative and qualitative sources, and creating consistent collection processes can transform data from a

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11: Building Protective Factors for Staff - The...

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2025/08/25

What if the same conditions that help students feel safe to take risks also determine whether your veteran teachers spoke up in a meeting? In this episode of System Shift, we explore how the three core protective factors, caring relationships, high expectations, and opportunities for participation apply just as much to adults as they do to students.We dig into why even well-intentioned leaders can unintentionally create unsafe environments for staff when expectations are unclear, trust is

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10: Defining Whole Child Education—More Than a Buzzword

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2025/08/18

“Whole child” is a term often heard but rarely defined. In this episode of System Shift, we break down what whole child education truly means and how schools can move beyond surface-level understanding to create environments where every student thrives.Using ASCD’s five pillars—healthy, safe, challenged, engaged, and supported—we explore how schools can shift from a deficit lens (“fix the student”) to a strengths-based, integrated approach that supports the whole learner. In This

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9: Redefining MTSS—It’s Not About the Tiers

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2025/08/11

What if the reason MTSS feels overwhelming or ineffective… is because it’s misunderstood?In this episode of System Shift, we unpack the most common misconceptions about MTSS and offer a path forward that reclaims its purpose as an integrated, student-centered framework, not just a pre-referral process or intervention checklist. With perspectives from a school psychologist, special education administrator, and school administrator, this conversation will help your team rethink what MTSS

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8: MTSS Isn’t a Thing—It’s a Framework

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2025/08/04

Is your MTSS implementation falling flat—or failing to last? In this episode of System Shift, Dr. Gail and Dr. Mary Beth explore why Multi-Tiered System of Support (MTSS) succeeds in some schools and fades in others. Spoiler: MTSS isn’t a checklist, a triangle, or an intervention. It’s a framework—one that must be clearly defined, aligned, and intentionally integrated to truly support all students and adults. In This Episode: Why MTSS is not a “thing” but a flexible, living framework The

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7: Beyond Silos: Building Collaborative School Teams...

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2025/07/28

Why do some school teams thrive, and others stall out in silence? If you’ve ever left a meeting wondering why the same voices dominate or why others never engage—this episode is for you. In this powerful episode of System Shift, the hidden forces that sabotage collaboration are explored, including hierarchy, unspoken rules, and fear of speaking up. In This Episode: How cultural norms, power dynamics, and fear hinder collaboration Why vulnerability and psychological safety are essential

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6: From Meeting Mayhem to Meaningful Progress:...

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2025/07/21

Do your school meetings feel like progress, or just more pressure?In this episode of System Shift, we explore how to break the cycle of meeting fatigue, decision overload, and siloed teams by shifting toward purpose-driven, role-aligned collaboration. If your school is stuck in a loop of "meeting to meet," this conversation will help you reset your systems for clarity, trust, and momentum. In this episode Drs. Mary Beth, Leesa, and Gail discuss: Why so many school meetings feel exhausting

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5: From Secret Societies to Shared Success:...

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2025/07/14

System Shifters! When was the last time a school meeting left you energized instead of drained?In this episode, we tackle a truth many leaders know too well: unproductive meetings are wasting time and working against your school's goals. With over 70 hours spent in meetings annually, educators can't afford to keep circling the same problems without structure, trust, and follow-through. In this episode, Dr. Leesa, Dr. Mary Beth, and Dr. Gail explore what it really takes to shift from

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