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Fund the People: A Podcast with Rusty Stahl

Fund the People

The only show that helps YOU invest in the nonprofit workforce! Here you’ll get the ideas, tools, data, and stories you need in order raise or give money to support and develop nonprofit workers and leaders in your organization or your community. This unique podcast invites you into casual, provocative conversations with diverse leaders from foundations, nonprofits, academia, and capacity-building groups. We give you the big picture view, and we dig into specific issues, such as executive

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00:30:04

A New Era of Philanthropy: Why Funders Must Invest in...

Fund the People: A Podcast with Rusty Stahl ·

2026/02/11

In this episode of the Fund the People Podcast, listeners will gain practical insight into how philanthropy can evolve to meet today’s interconnected crises—and what funders can do differently right now to support justice, sustainability, and nonprofit workers. Host Rusty Stahl is joined by nationally recognized philanthropic leader, lawyer, and author Dimple Abichandani, whose new book, A New Era of Philanthropy: Ten Practices to Transform Wealth into a More Just and Sustainable Future, offers a

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00:29:08

Donors Invest in Health Nonprofit’s Staff -- with...

Fund the People: A Podcast with Rusty Stahl ·

2026/02/04

Download the transcript of this episode in .pdf format⁠Join our premium version of the FTP Pod on Patreon, For just $6 a month, you get extended versions of this and all episodes; bonus content; community; and our Patreon-only show, Riverside Reflections.What happens when a nonprofit uses a six-figure, one-time gift not to launch a new program—but to fundamentally improve job quality for its staff?In this episode, Rusty Stahl sits down with Janelle Miller Moravek, Executive Director of Youth and

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00:35:25

Getting the Overhead Myth Out of Our Heads -- And Out...

Fund the People: A Podcast with Rusty Stahl ·

2026/01/28

In this episode, you’ll learn how nonprofits are really rated—and why the sector’s obsession with overhead could finally be ending. Charity Navigator CEO Michael Thatcher joins host Rusty Stahl to explain how nonprofit ratings are shifting toward impact, leadership, and organizational health—and why investing in people matters more than lean budgets. In a candid moment, Thatcher hints at a future where overhead is no longer part of Charity Navigator’s ratings formula, signaling a potentially major

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00:26:14

S9:E1 - Peaceful Terrorists and Violent Activists -...

Fund the People: A Podcast with Rusty Stahl ·

2026/01/21

Click here for edited transcript (pdf format)According to the Trump Administration, nonprofits and philanthropic foundations are “terror-supporting organizations.” Peaceful protestors are “terrorists.” Violent mobs are simply tourists having a picnic. And the masked gunmen they’ve deputized are hard-working joes just trying to do their jobs.As we recall how Dr. King and his colleagues used non-violent civil disobedience to end legal segregation, host Rusty Stahl discusses how nonprofit workers,

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00:11:31

Happy Holidays! S8 Review and S9 Preview!

Fund the People: A Podcast with Rusty Stahl ·

2025/12/21

In this brief holiday bonus, you’ll get behind-the-scenes highlights of Season 8. Plus a sneak-peek at some of the provocative guests and valuable topics we’ll cover in season 9!Season 9 will start in late January 2026. If all goes according to plan, S9:E1 will drop on Wed., Jan. 21, 2026 at 8am ET. From thereon, new episodes will publish weekly on Wednesday mornings throughout the season.You’ll also learn about our the new FTP Podcast Premium on Patreon. For $6 a month, you provide grassroots

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00:44:01

“Strong People Make Strong Organizations” with...

Fund the People: A Podcast with Rusty Stahl ·

2025/12/18

Get 6 months free of our new Premium Pod on Patreon! Available thru 12/31/25 11:59p ET. Click here to redeem this gift so you can…Engage with Rusty and guests during episode recordingLearn with other listeners, guests, and Rusty in our discussion forumAccess extended episodes with videoEnjoy Riverside Reflections (RR), our new Premium-only extra show! Get the inside scoop from Rusty while getting outside for a waterside walk.Tap into older episode’s video footage, bonus content, and more fun

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00:47:39

Enterprise Capital: A Framework for Sustainable...

Fund the People: A Podcast with Rusty Stahl ·

2025/12/10

In this episode, you’ll learn about a powerful alternative to restricted, project-based funding: enterprise capital for nonprofits. Guest Andrea Levere, founder and CEO of Capitalize Good, explains why nonprofits—like any enterprise—need multi-year, flexible capital that strengthens their balance sheets, builds reserves, and supports the people and systems that drive impact. Andrea breaks down the basic financial principles that determine nonprofit sustainability, and how enterprise capital enables

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00:38:57

Lowering Our 'Revenue Risk,' with Gretchen Upholt, BDO

Fund the People: A Podcast with Rusty Stahl ·

2025/12/03

In this episode, nonprofit finance expert Gretchen Upholt joins Rusty to introduce Nonprofit GPS, BDO’s free new online toolkit for scenario planning, business model resilience, and short-term coaching. Learn how your organization can navigate revenue risk and make informed financial decisions in 2026, as the impact of the Trump Administration's War on Charity continues to roll across the sector.Itching for more Fund the People Podcast? Join the new Premium version of the show on Patreon! Visit

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00:33:15

We Need to Play and Eat Ice Cream: A Very Nonprofit...

Fund the People: A Podcast with Rusty Stahl ·

2025/11/26

Just in time for the Thanksgiving holiday, Rusty sits down with consultant and PlayFull Podcast host Kristine Michie for a lively conversation about the role of joy, play, and ice cream in sustaining the nonprofit workforce. Kristine shares how her lifelong roots in activism shaped her worldview, and how her consulting firm, ImpactFull, emerged with a mission to help social-change leaders weave fun, creativity, and moments of levity into the everyday grind of mission-driven work. Together, Rusty and

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00:39:36

Imagine What's Possible: Understanding Funder...

Fund the People: A Podcast with Rusty Stahl ·

2025/11/19

This episode explores the stages of foundation responses to the Trump Administration’s War on Charities, through the lens of a place-based funder network. Rusty sits down with Megan Thomas, CEO of Catalyst of San Diego and Imperial Counties. This regional funder association has worked with its members and local nonprofit advisors to build several rounds of collaborative funding, including cash flow assistance loans. You’ll hear:The stages of local funder reaction and response to the Trump

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00:53:33

Funding Nonprofit People & Possibility: Inside the...

Fund the People: A Podcast with Rusty Stahl ·

2025/11/12

In this episode, you'll get valuable insights from the CEO of one of the few foundations in the US focused on nonprofit people, not nonprofit programs. Our guest is Maria Cabildo, CEO of The Durfee Foundation. Durfee funds “people and possibilities in Los Angeles county.” Maria served as President and CEO of the East LA Community Corporation for 16 years, where she was the recipient of multiple forms of Durfee support. She has also worked in government and other philanthropic organizations.We

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00:47:48

'Silence Isolates, Solidarity Shields,' with Tonya...

Fund the People: A Podcast with Rusty Stahl ·

2025/11/05

In this powerful episode of Fund the People’s Defend Nonprofits, Defend Democracy series, Rusty sits down with Tonya Allen, President of the McKnight Foundation, to explore how philanthropy can respond to the Trump Administration’s War on Charity, and serve as an active force for transformation. Tonya shares her roots in Detroit activism, lessons from community leaders who shaped her understanding of philanthropy as “an active verb,” and her belief that funders must embrace—not shy away from—power

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00:09:25

Introducing Staff Operating Support (S.O.S.) Grants...

Fund the People: A Podcast with Rusty Stahl ·

2025/11/03

In this brief Bonus Episode, Rusty Stahl introduces the concept of Staff Operating Support (S.O.S.) Grants. It's a new type of grant for the new type of existential crisis we face.Download our new S.O.S. Grants Concept Paper (http://bit.ly/3WwR489)Share this flyer about the S.O.S. Grants Concept PaperAn S.O.S. Grant is restricted for investments in a grantee's people and the systems that support their team. Within that restriction area, an S.O.S. Grant is flexible, responsive, and

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00:36:29

How Funders Can Fight Nonprofit Burnout, Not Fuel It...

Fund the People: A Podcast with Rusty Stahl ·

2025/10/29

Nonprofit burnout is real — and rising. In this episode, Rusty Stahl welcomes back Dr. Elisha Smith Arrillaga, Vice President of Research at the Center for Effective Philanthropy (CEP). They discuss new data revealing how stress, vacancies, and limited funding flexibility are affecting nonprofit leaders and staff across the country.They dig into CEP’s State of Nonprofits 2025 and Voices That Matter reports, exploring:What’s driving staff burnout and morale lossThe disconnect between funder intent

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00:53:36

How to Grow Nonprofit Voice & Visibility with...

Fund the People: A Podcast with Rusty Stahl ·

2025/10/22

Advocacy expert Bethany Snyder joins Rusty Stahl to reveal how nonprofit leaders can reclaim their power, speak out boldly, and protect the sector from political attacks.In this powerful episode of Fund the People, host Rusty Stahl sits down with advocacy strategist Bethany Snyder, founder of Snyder Strategies, to explore how nonprofits can — and must — use their voices boldly in today’s political climate. Snyder argues that the nonprofit sector is “on the menu” under the Trump administration’s

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00:55:15

End the Overwhelm: Boost Your Team with Fractional...

Fund the People: A Podcast with Rusty Stahl ·

2025/10/16

Is your nonprofit stuck in an understaffing cycle, in which you need expertise but can't afford senior-level salaries? Are you overwhelmed by wearing multiple hats as an executive director, lacking specialized skills in fundraising, HR, or communications? What if there was a way to access experienced professionals without the full-time commitment?Through this episode, you’ll learn about working with “fractional executives” – a practice where nonprofits engage a portion of an experienced

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00:50:29

Social Impact Grief: How to Mourn AND Organize in 2025

Fund the People: A Podcast with Rusty Stahl ·

2025/10/09

Remember that old activist saying, "Don't mourn; organize"? Well, what if you're feeling deep disillusioned and disempowered by attacks on nonprofits and communities you love? Feeling dread as you witness beloved institutions and ideas get damaged or destroyed? How are you going to sustain morale through all this?This episode offers language, tools, and pragmatic resources to help you or your team mourn, so that you can continue to organize. Our guest Meico Marquette Whitlock

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00:47:12

Funding for the Long Haul: How Many-Year Grants...

Fund the People: A Podcast with Rusty Stahl ·

2025/10/01

In this episode, you’ll learn how many-year grants can bolster nonprofit people and programmatic impact. Host Rusty Stahl sits down with Betsy Leondar-Wright, Ph.D., the lead researcher at Fund the People, to discuss our brand-new report, Long-Haul Grantmaking.Betsy brings decades of nonprofit leadership, social justice activism, and academic research to the conversation, and she shares how her personal experiences with underfunded, unstable nonprofit jobs shaped her passion for this work. Together,

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00:26:51

The Trump War on Charity

Fund the People: A Podcast with Rusty Stahl ·

2025/09/24

In the season premiere of Season 8, your host Rusty Stahl (Founder, President & CEO of Fund the People) outlines the season’s focus on strengthening and defending the nonprofit sector. He previews upcoming conversations with influential leaders such as Tonya Allen of McKnight Foundation, Deepak Bhargava of Freedom Together Foundation, and Michael Thatcher of Charity Navigator. Rusty shares a new Fund the People research report and webinar (10/10 at 10am PT) on ‘long-haul grantmaking’ that

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00:52:13

MacArthur President Chooses Courage, Not Quiet

Fund the People: A Podcast with Rusty Stahl ·

2025/06/11

What happens when a major foundation president decides to speak out boldly during a crisis? How can philanthropy surge resources to protect nonprofit workers facing unprecedented job losses? In this season finale of the Fund the People Podcast, host Rusty Stahl sits down with John Palfrey, President of the John D. and Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation, to explore how courage becomes contagious in times of sector-wide attacks. You'll discover the real math behind foundation payout increases,

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