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In the Meanwhile

Marcus Harrison Green & Nora Kenworthy

No hot takes. No empty platitudes. No easy hope. Just real talk about how we hold onto our humanity, build something better—and maybe even laugh along the way. Bring snacks. Bring questions. We"re figuring this out together.

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01:07:57

Ep 47: If it Bleeds it Misleads with Alec Karakatsanis

In the Meanwhile ·

2026/04/17

As headlines spiral from burning warehouses to unholy warfare between the Vatican and White House, Nora and Marcus sit down with civil rights attorney and Copaganda author Alec Karakatsanis to ask a sharper question: what if the story we're being told about crime, safety, and justice is the real manipulation? Karakatsanis pulls back the curtain on how media, political power, and what he calls the "punishment bureaucracy" don't just report reality, but shape it. From the selective storytelling that

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Ep 46: The End of the Billionaire Discount with...

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2026/04/10

This week on In the Meanwhile, Marcus and Nora wade through a truly unhinged news cycle: war threats, political absurdity, late-stage empire vibes, and land on something rare: a conversation that actually feels like it offers hope. Enter Washington State Representative Brianna Thomas, who joins the show to talk about the state's new "millionaires' tax", and, more importantly, who it's for, who it's not for, and why the people who've been carrying this system on their backs for decades are finally

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01:07:03

Ep 45: Fighting Predatory Social Media with Laura...

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2026/04/03

This week, Nora and Marcus sit down with Laura Marquez-Garrett, a plaintiff's attorney at the forefront of a landmark legal battle against Big Tech. Fresh off two historic court victories, Laura pulls back the curtain on how social media companies design products to addict and harm young users, and what it took for families to finally start holding them accountable. What emerges is both chilling and clarifying: a system built not by accident, but by design. And yet, through the tenacity of parents,

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01:00:31

Ep 44: The Wars No One Wins with Gina Baskin

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2026/03/27

In this week's episode of In The Meanwhile, we do that uncomfortable, but necessary, thing where the abstractions of war fall away, and the human cost steps all the way into the room. Nora and Marcus sit down with Gina Baskin, fresh out of the military and bringing a level of clarity that cuts clean through the usual talking points. She unpacks what war actually asks of the people sent to fight it, and what it takes from them in return. Not strategy nor geopolitics. But the intimate, irreversible

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Ep 43: Two Nations, One Grief with Nilu Jenks

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2026/03/20

This week, Nora and Marcus sit down with Iranian American democracy advocate Nilu Jenks for a deeply personal conversation about war, diaspora grief, authoritarianism, and the deadly lie of "liberation" through violence. Drawing from her family's lived experience in Iran and her work for more representative democracy here in the U.S., Jenks brings clarity, grief, and fierce moral vision to a moment shaped by propaganda, profound uncertainty, and the human cost of minority rule. It's a moving,

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01:02:44

Ep 42: Staying in the Fight with Ijeoma Oluo

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2026/03/13

This week, Nora and Marcus sit down with author and activist Ijeoma Oluo for a searching conversation about movement work, harm, belonging, and the radical choice to stay. Together, they explore the personal cost of speaking truth, the wounds movements can inflict on their own, and what it means to build the world we long for now—not after revolution, but through the way we live, love, and struggle every day. It's a deeply honest conversation about survival, accountability, joy, and choosing

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01:01:48

Ep 41: The Bill Chill vs. the Epstein Files with Tim...

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2026/03/06

It's been another "37-day week" in America, and In The Meanwhile is doing what it does best: refusing to let the chaos set the agenda. Nora and Marcus open on the latest Washington-fueled disaster (a brand-new war with Iran, because apparently weekends are illegal now), then pivot to the scandal the powerful would love you to forget: the Epstein files, and one name still floating above the consequences like a philanthropic forcefield. Enter Tim Schwab, investigative journalist and author of The Bill

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Ep 40: They Skipped Black History Month. We Didn't.

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2026/02/27

This week on In The Meanwhile, Marcus and Nora do what America refuses to do: pay attention. They skim the State of the Union so you don't have to, drag the idea of replacing epidemiology with astrology, and ask a very basic question: should our Surgeon General believe in vaccines or just vibes? Then it gets real. While Black History Month goes conspicuously unmentioned in a country built on Black labor and brilliance, Marcus shares a speech that reframes Black history not as a Pinterest board of

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01:10:10

Ep 39: The Price of Mercy with Emily Galvin Almanza

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2026/02/19

We're back with a question that sounds obvious until you say it out loud: if you're picking a North Star… why is "more prisons" anywhere on the map? This week, Nora and Marcus wade through the usual dystopian fog and land in L.A., where a blockbuster social media trial is screaming in 4K: "Yes. The harm. Is the business model." Not a glitch. Silicon Valley said, "Move fast and break things," and we're like, "Cool, you broke our kids' brains." Then enter Emily Galvin Almanza (Partners for Justice)

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01:07:17

Ep 38: It Takes Three to Tango with Tyranny with...

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2026/02/13

This week on In The Meanwhile, Nora and Marcus start with civic sunshine(yes, the Seattle Seahawks are Super Bowl champions), and end in the deep waters of power, protest, and historical memory. From Ernest Jones' "spirit-forward" parade speech to a congressional hearing that felt like defiant incompetence colliding with diabolical intent, they unpack the Bondi–Epstein fallout, elite impunity, space lasers over El Paso (it was a balloon), charting the increasingly surreal cartography of America's

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Ep 37: Grief and Solidarity from Minneapolis to Seattle

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2026/02/06

Nora and Marcus are back in Seattle after Marcus's whirlwind reporting trip to Minneapolis, and what he saw there stayed with him. From vigils and memorial sites honoring Alex Pretti and Renee Good, to organizers building "community protection" in real time (warming stations, escorts, carpools, and mutual aid), Marcus reflects on how grief travels across time and distance, and how solidarity can, too. They talk about what feels different right now: a shift from performative outrage to everyday

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01:06:21

Ep 36: Make Universities Unruly Again with Brian Soucek

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2026/01/30

This week on In The Meanwhile, Nora and Marcus do what every emotionally stable person does in a collapsing empire: eat dessert first and deal with the vegetables later. They speed-run the Trump administration's latest clown car pileup: featuring the extremely cursed timeline where even the NRA and Senate Republicans are like, "Hey man… maybe chill?" — before zooming out to a much bigger target on the authoritarian wishlist: universities. Enter constitutional law scholar Brian Soucek, author of The

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Ep 35: Immigrant Rights are Human Rights with...

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2026/01/23

This week on In The Meanwhile, Nora and Marcus open with global chaos: tantrum diplomacy, Greenland confusion, and peace-as-a-timeshare, before turning to something far more urgent and close to home: the accelerating cruelty of ICE. Joined by Angelina Godoy, founding director of the UW Center for Human Rights, they unpack how immigration enforcement has slid toward secret-police tactics, how Washington state data is being quietly weaponized, and why "immigrant rights are human rights" isn't just a

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01:10:09

Ep 34: Same War Machine, Different Neighborhood with...

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2026/01/16

This week on In The Meanwhile, Nora and Marcus stare into the news-cycle roulette wheel, where every slot reads "are you kidding me?" and land on America's default coping mechanism: militarism. Press freedom under attack. ICE acting like it's Fallujah. The President threatening war like it's a vibes-based policy choice. Totally normal stuff. They're joined by Michael McPhearson, a U.S. Army veteran and head of Veterans for Peace, who calmly explains how forever wars abroad get rebranded and

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01:08:46

Ep 33: When They Come for Your Ballot with Hannah Fried

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2026/01/09

When politics feels less like a news cycle and more like a full-body stress test, we hit pause and ask the real question: how do we actually defend democracy, right now, with real people? This week, Nora and Marcus sit down with Hannah Fried, CEO and co-founder of All Voting Is Local, for a conversation that's sharp, human, and refreshingly free of abstract hand-wringing. Fried breaks down how election interference actually works, not just the unhinged headline moments, but the quieter stuff:

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Mini Episode: What Happened to Renee Could Happen to...

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2026/01/08

We're dropping this mini-episode as new details emerge around the fatal shooting of Renee Nicole Good by an ICE agent. Nora and Marcus cut through the fog, the spin, and the both-sides media haze to talk plainly about what the video shows, what federal officials are claiming, and why those two things are in direct conflict. They unpack how language is being weaponized to justify lethal force, why U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement accountability feels intentionally out of reach, and how this

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01:01:28

Ep 32: When Ordinary People Take Power with Alex...

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2026/01/02

2025 is finally over! In this week's episode, Nora and Marcus take stock of a year that felt like two cursed decades duct-taped together, and ask the real question: what do we keep? Enter Alex Gallo-Brown, a labor organizer, poet, and the campaign manager behind Seattle's very real, very satisfying David-beats-Goliath mayoral upset. Together, they dig into how a scrappy, people-powered campaign took on big money, establishment politics, and doomscroll-induced despair—and won. It's a conversation

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Ep 31: We've Been Here Before and We Made it Out with...

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2025/12/26

Holiday breather this week, but no skipping the brain food. We're re-airing Marcus's live Town Hall Seattle conversation with historian Heather Cox Richardson, and somehow it's more relevant now than when it was recorded. Richardson (Democracy Awakening, Letters from an American) zooms out past the personality-of-the-week politics to ask the big, slightly terrifying questions: How do democracies actually fall apart? Why do bad myths keep working? And why have marginalized communities always been

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01:12:19

Ep 30: Turning Outrage into Action with Renée Hopkins...

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2025/12/19

This week, Nora and Marcus sit down with Renée Hopkins, CEO of the Alliance for Gun Responsibility, to talk about a grim reality we're supposed to pretend is normal: gun violence that's killing kids every day while politicians offer therapeutic platitudes and zero legislation. But here's the twist—Hopkins and her team have actually made progress on this issue. While the rest of the country cycles through outrage, helplessness, fear, and legislative paralysis, Washington state has been quietly

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01:11:34

Ep 29: Racial Exhaustion : A Field Guide for the...

In the Meanwhile ·

2025/12/12

This week, Marcus and Nora wade through the Trump awards circus, billionaire media custody battles, and the administration's petty racism before calling on Dr. Ralina Joseph, author of Racial Exhaustion: How to Move Through Racism in the Wake of DEI. Together, they dig into what "racial exhaustion" really is, why the DEI backlash hits so hard, and why everyone wants to tap out of race conversations precisely when they matter most. Dr. Joseph breaks down how radical listening and radical speaking can

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