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The Power of Music Thinking

What can the dynamics of music teach us about navigating today’s complex world? The Power of Music Thinking podcast dives deep into this potent analogy. Host Christof Zürn, founder of MusicThinking.com, explores how concepts like listening, tuning, rhythm, and improvisation translate into powerful tools for business, creativity, and leadership.Through engaging interviews with global thought leaders, designers, entrepreneurs, and artists, discover practical ways to improve collaboration, spark

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21:41

Orchestrating Innovation and AI for your business

The Power of Music Thinking ·

2025/11/17

The word 'orchestration' is everywhere in business right now—we see 'innovation orchestrator,' 'data orchestrator.', ‘Change orchestrator’. It’s become a strategic buzzword and many are using it, just search for the term on LinkedIn.I’ve mentioned my research on this topic before, and I’m thrilled to share that the full peer-reviewed paper—which I co-authored and presented at the RSD14 Relating Systems Thinking and Design conference—is now available. You can find the link in the show notes. But

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51:02

Marketing & Singing with Jessica Wan

The Power of Music Thinking ·

2025/11/03

One of the great myths of a modern career is that you have to choose just one path. My guest today, Jessica Wan, is living proof that you absolutely don’t.Her career has taken her from leading marketing teams at world-renowned organisations like Apple and the San Francisco Opera, to becoming a sought-after executive coach. And running parallel to all of this, she is a classically trained singer preparing for her next recital. She champions a philosophy she calls 'The Ampersand Manifesto', which

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50:35

Sonic UX research with Caitlyn Trevor - The Power of...

The Power of Music Thinking ·

2025/10/13

Could smart sound design actually make calling a hospital a less stressful experience? And what if the sound of a cello could be scientifically mapped to our emotions?These are just some of the questions we’ll be exploring today with our guest, Caitlyn Trevor. Caitlyn holds a PhD in Music Theory, a Master’s in Cello Performance, and is an award-winning film score composer. As a researcher and UX professional, her work sits at that fascinating intersection of performance, science, and user

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39:14

Intersection of Music and Data with Chris Dalla Riva

The Power of Music Thinking ·

2025/09/21

Today we’re heading to Hoboken, New Jersey, to speak with Chris Dalla Riva, who works at the fascinating intersection of music and data. He’s a Senior Product Manager at the streaming service Audiomack, and the writer behind the popular newsletter Can’t Get Much Higher. His work has been featured by The Economist and NPR, and you might know him as the guy who set off an internet-wide debate about the decline of key changes in popular music.In our conversation today, we get into some incredible

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17:24

Audio Postcards from Japan & The Future of Music...

The Power of Music Thinking ·

2025/08/30

And we're back! In this special first episode after the summer break, Christof takes you on a sensory journey to Japan with a series of 'audio postcards' recorded in Kyoto, Tokyo, and Koyasan. It's an immersive exploration of sound, mindfulness, and creativity.Stick around for the second half, where Christof makes three major announcements about the future of Music Thinking, including a new way for you to support the show and an upcoming online workshop. IN THIS EPISODE, YOU'LL HEAR: Audio

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48:20

Why do we listen to sad music? With Sandra Garrido

The Power of Music Thinking ·

2025/07/01

Our guest today is both an accomplished musician and a fascinating researcher. Dr. Sandra Garrido is a pianist and violinist who holds a PhD combining the worlds of music and psychology. Her work focuses on a question that touches all of us: how can music regulate our mood and improve our mental wellbeing? What's truly unique is that she explores this not just today, but through a historical lens, uncovering how music has always been used to help people feel better. In our conversation, Sandra

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51:23

Challenging the AI Oracle: Maya Ackerman on Music,...

The Power of Music Thinking ·

2025/06/09

Our guest today is Dr. Maya Ackerman, a world-renowned AI expert who has been at the forefront of generative AI since 2015. She holds a PhD in Computer Science, is a professor at Santa Clara University, and has authored over 60 research publications. As the co-founder and CEO of WaveAI, one of the earliest generative AI startups, she specialises in creating systems that elevate AI from a novelty to an essential tool for millions. A recognised 'Woman of Influence' and sought after for her expertise

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29:32

Pioneering music thinking and first online interview

The Power of Music Thinking ·

2025/05/06

This is a personal story about my first online interview at the end of the 1990s. It is a trip back in time with original sound snippets from the interview with famous conductor and pianist Daniel Barenboim in the Opéra Royale at Versailles. Find out how we did this technically and what questions the maestro was asked that came from the internet.This is another special episode where I experiment with different kinds of storytelling. This time, it is also about pioneering the internet and music

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59:22

Science, Music and Regulating Emotions with Hauke...

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2025/04/01

What can people and organisations learn from science and music? Why should we care? Are there universal mechanisms that are valid all over the world to all human species? Or is everything an individual experience? Today, we talk with Hauke Egermann, Professor of Systematical Musicology at the University of Cologne. We speak about universal mechanisms that are valid all over the world; we learn from research with an isolated culture in Congo, the Pygmies from Mebenzélé, that refuse to practise

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01:00:43

Everything about Orchestration with Robin Hoffmann

The Power of Music Thinking ·

2025/03/11

A few episodes ago, I asked the question What is Orchestration? This was because I saw a lot of different orchestrators, nota bene, non-musical orchestrators with job titles like Design Orchestrator, Value Network Orchestrator, Data Orchestrator and Innovation Orchestrator, just to name a few. This is an ongoing research, and I am writing a paper about what people do when they say they are orchestrating. But today, we flip the side and talk with a music orchestrator, or, shall I say, an original

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48:08

Inspiring Books on Music Thinking

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2025/02/25

Let’s talk about books today. What was the last book that inspired you? Was it a novel, a non-fiction book, a design book, a music book or a cookbook? In this episode, I share three books that inspired my sound way of thinking, experiencing the world with an open ear and what has led to developing music thinking, the framework, the jam cards, the book and the podcast. I will briefly discuss Nada Brahma by Joachim Ernst Berend, The Soundscape by R. Murray Schafer, and The Glass Bead Game, the

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51:29

Sonic Branding with Willemijn van Hussen

The Power of Music Thinking ·

2025/01/31

Today we speak with Willemijn van Hussen - a trained concert pianist, strategy consultant - co-founder and owner of Sonic Branding agency TAMBR.We talk about the power of our senses and how sound can make a difference in recognising a brand and what it stands for. Willemijn shares with us insights from an audio branding project, with a sonic logo, brand anthem and different sound assets that are used strategically. Among others, we hear the brand anthem of Lazy Vegan and how this might be

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48:59

The role of emotions and rationality in research with...

The Power of Music Thinking ·

2024/12/21

We end this year with Leonoor Opstelten, a young researcher who used improvisation and music as an experimental approach for her thesis on forest and nature conservation. With this approach, she won the Birgit Elands thesis prize just a few weeks ago.In her thesis, she included five piano pieces accompanying five different storylines - patterns and themes that resulted from her research. Let's listen to the research, its story, and the beautiful music. Show notes Connect with Leonoor:

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38:18

Thinking Music - Music Thinking - special epsiode

The Power of Music Thinking ·

2024/11/29

Christof Zürn talks about music thinking, the music thinking framework, and JAMMIN’ before SCORE and what this means in the context of co-creation in the business. How does this sound? It sounds marvellous; we hear a lot of musical experts from the new (digital) album of MRZ - an ambient improvisation trio - and get an explanation of how this relates to the music thinking practise. Show notes Thinking Music Playlist:

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15:09

What is orchestration?

The Power of Music Thinking ·

2024/10/21

What is orchestration? AndWhat is an orchestrator? What do they do? Is everybody now a musician or music thinker? Is it important? And Why should we care? What challenges around orchestration are there in different fields and can music, music thinking or the grandmaster of orchestration, Rimski-Korsakov, help? In this short episode, I discuss a pre-research concerning orchestration in different fields. If you are an orchestrator or use orchestration to explain your work, please fill in the form

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54:17

Strings between MBA and AI with Anna Filochowska

The Power of Music Thinking ·

2024/09/08

join us in our conversation and hear more about the journey from Poland to Germany and the US, from playing violin in a top-notch orchestra to getting an MBA at Stanford University Graduate School of Business and writing a white paper about AI and music. Show Notes Connect with Anna: https://www.linkedin.com/in/aniaf/ Berlin Philharmonic: https://www.berliner-philharmoniker.de/en/ AI White Paper: https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:7228754698395148288/ Performing at Stanford:

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52:03

Sound Walk in the Summer with Christof Zürn

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2024/08/03

Today is a special episode of the podcast, not just because of the 50th episode anniversary but because there will be no guests today. Instead, you'll be immersed in a unique sound walk experience, a journey of sound I recorded in July in Italy. This is not just a regular episode; it's a sonic adventure. Open your mind and listening brain because, as we learned in the last episode with Professor Nina Kraus, you can only hear what you know. But now let's get on our trip or, better yet, the

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51:16

A Love Letter to Sound with Nina Kraus

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2024/06/23

We don't just hear; we engage with sounds. Our hearing is always on, and we can't close our ears the way we close our eyes, yet we can ignore unimportant sounds. Making sense of sound is one of the most challenging jobs we ask our brains to do. But how does this work?Today, we speak with Dr. Nina Kraus, scientist, inventor, book author, Professor of Neurobiology at Northwestern University, and Director of BrainVolts. Nina's research reveals that our daily lives, filled with sound, play a

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54:50

Sound Buildings with Ron van Leeuwen

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2024/05/20

Today, we speak with Ron van Leeuwen, who straddles two creative worlds. By day, he is an architect and urban designer, shaping physical spaces. By night, he transforms his creative energy into music, composing pieces that the 55-piece Metropole Orkest has recorded. His newest composition, Architones, is also available on Spotify.We discuss the relations and differences between working in these two fields, the metamorphoses of buildings and music, and the challenges of delivering a feasible

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47:09

The Art of Freedom with Jennifer Roig-Francoli

The Power of Music Thinking ·

2024/04/22

How are your habits getting in the way of being more creative? How does self-observation make you a better performer? And how can touching from a distance help you with performance problems?Today, we speak with Jennifer Roig-Francoli - violinist, healer, coach, author and creator of The Art of Freedom Method for Conscious Living and Masterful Artistry. We discuss methods like the Alexander technique, the Suzuki method, the mother-tongue method, NLP (Neurolinguistic Programming) and how they

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