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For 12 years, Kate Kennedy lived a double life - a sugar baby in secret, haunted by the shame society attaches to sex work. But when a man threatened to expose her, she flipped the script. Now, she’s reclaiming her story and challenging the stigma head-on. In this bold and unfiltered podcast, Kate sits down with sex workers from every corner of the industry to rewrite the narrative, one honest conversation at a time. Real stories. Real voices. No shame. No filter.

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01:00:57

High Profile Journalist Turned Escort - Bension Does...

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2026/10/07

What happens when a journalist turns to sex work to fund the stories he really wants to tell? After losing his job, Bension discovered he could earn the equivalent of his former wage in just five hours of sex work. That income gave him time to pursue his true love: investigative journalism, with the freedom to investigate without corporate bosses deciding what he could publish. Sharing his slutty pursuits on social media became a way to build an audience for that reporting.Bension main goal is to

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00:54:19

{LIVE PANEL} What Happens When We Silence Sex...

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2026/09/30

Recorded live at a SexTech event in partnership with Nocturnal Animals, this special episode brings together three influential voices from Australia’s kink and sex-work communities; Professional Dominatrix Vera Beauford, Kitty Obsidian - an Indigenous queer sex worker and creator of Australia’s first live sex show for trans audiences and Kyron Kruger, a male escort specialising in kink and latex.We explore how they entered the industry, came out to their families, and found meaning and community

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01:12:49

The Psychology Behind Kinks, Cheating & Why You Can't...

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2026/09/23

Why are we drawn to certain kinks and fetishes? How do body image, low libido, or past trauma affect the way we experience intimacy? And what can couples do when communication breaks down or they start to feel emotionally distant?This week, I’m joined by Aleks, the sex and couples therapist behind The Pleasure Centre. Aleks helps individuals and couples explore their relationships with sex, pleasure, and each other. We get curious about the psychology behind kinks and fetishes, talk openly about

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00:59:23

Behind The Gimp Mask With Kyron Kruger

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2026/09/02

Kryon Kruger began exploring his latex fetish as a teenager, hidden behind a mask in the privacy of his bedroom. Growing up in a small country town, he kept that side of himself secret, ashamed of being seen as a weirdo.Then his best friend outed him and instead of retreating further, Kryon chose to embrace who he was.Today, he is one of the leading male creators in the kink, fetish and latex spaces, as well as an established escort and OnlyFans creator. In this interview, Kryon opens up about

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01:08:23

The Price Of Pregnancy Porn

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2026/08/18

What happens when an OnlyFans creator becomes pregnant, and discovers that her baby bump is good for business?In this candid and wildly entertaining episode with Emily Mai, we explore pregnancy fetishes, breeding fantasies, lactation requests and the unexpectedly nurturing “mummy energy” behind some subscribers’ desires. Our guest reveals how pregnancy transformed her income, introduced her to an entirely new world of kinks and helped her embrace the stretch marks, sagging boobs and body changes she

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00:52:20

FinDom, Pussy Power & Going Viral - Ally McGrath

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2026/08/04

Ally is the social media strategist behind some of OnlyFans biggest names - Annie Knight, Alex Lynx, and more - and she got there by working inside the industry herself first, from online companionship to financial domination. This week she breaks down how "spicy" creators actually go viral (on purpose, not by accident), why shadow bans are the online industry's biggest threat, and the "seduction archetypes" she uses to build a creator's entire brand around who they

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01:10:23

‘Escorting together Makes Our Relationship Stronger’...

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2026/07/21

Evie & Axel aren’t just partners - they work together as a two-person escort team. In this juicy episode, they reveal how their relationship became their business, why clients seek them out to explore sexuality in a safe environment, and what intimacy at home looks like when it’s also your job. We get into bisexual curiosity, jealousy, boundaries, cuckolding, sexual healing, couples therapy, and why some encounters that appear taboo can actually be deeply empowering. They also explain why sx

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00:47:01

Controversial Escort Mentor - Isabelle Fox

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2026/07/07

Isabelle Fox started working in a brothel at just 18, earning $150 an hour. A few years later, she was charging $2,000 an hour as a private escort.Now, Isabel has launched Escort Academy - a mentoring program for women who are curious about entering the industry but don't know where to start.In this episode, we talk about why she created it, the backlash she's faced, and why she believes education makes the industry safer and more legitimate. We also dive into what separates six-figure earners from

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00:59:16

Every Man Wants His Job. Few Could Handle It... Apollo

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2026/06/05

What does it really take to succeed as a top male OnlyFans creator? Today I'm joined by Apollo, one of Australia's leading OnlyFans creators, Porn star, stripper AND male escorts. We dive into the mindset, discipline, and realities behind building a career in the adult industry, covering everything from performance pressure, confidence, and physical conditioning to audience growth and personal relationships.Apollo shares why a significant portion of his audience is made up of straight men, how he

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01:04:10

High End Sex Parties - Fantasies, Group Sex,...

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2026/05/15

Madelene is the founder of Nocturnal, a members-only erotic society creating elevated experiences through intimate workshops, erotic cinema nights, and beautifully curated luxury parties in Melbourne.In this episode, we explore the psychology of desire, modern relationships, and the emotional complexity of entering erotic spaces as a couple. We discuss why these experiences can deepen connection for some relationships and expose fractures in others.Madelene shares how Nocturnal was born, what draws

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01:02:42

Ex-Mormon Making Millions On OnlyFans - Kit Barrus

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2026/04/23

Kit grew up in a strict Mormon household and left the Church at just 16. After a falling out with her parents left her couch surfing and struggling financially, she took a chance on OnlyFans - and quickly found success. With her distinctive look and a highly engaged fanbase, Kit now earns over $110K per week Despite holding degrees in mathematics and psychology, she’s chosen to focus full-time on building her OnlyFans business and personal brand.In this episode we touch on what it really takes to

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01:04:30

“Too Old?” - Escorting In 40’s & Life After Sex Work...

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2026/03/26

Journalist by day, high-class escort by night. Amanda stepped into a double life in her late 30s, becoming “Samantha X” after growing bored of the newsroom and craving more money and time with her family.She was worried her age would hold her back, but quickly discovered the opposite. Building a thriving career, running her own escort agency, and becoming a more confident version of herself. But when she outed herself on national TV at a time when sex work was still deeply taboo, everything

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01:13:40

'Stripping Prepared Me For Politics' - Georgie Percell

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2026/03/05

Georgie Percell was elected at just 30 years old, making her the youngest woman in Parliament at the time. She’s also one of the most unconventional MPs - refusing to conform to the standard boring suit and openly owning her “colourful” past as a stripper.We talk about the skills she brought from the strip club to Parliament House, how stripping taught her to advocate for herself and handle difficult men, and why she refuses to hide parts of her story.We also dive into the constant online harassment

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00:59:23

Life as a Hooker in the 70’s & 80’s -Police...

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2026/02/19

To be an ‘out’ sex worker is not an easy title to hold because in 95% of the world, it’s a criminal offence. NSW, Australia was the first place in THE WORLD to decriminalise ‘prostitution’ - thanks to a few iconic whores, including Julie Bates. She fought for sex worker rights, testified against police corruption and took on organised crime lords to enforce condoms in brothels during the AIDS pandemic during a time where a condom was used as evidence against woman and brothel owners and grounds for

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00:43:40

19. Tilly Lawless - Respectful But Not Respectable

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2026/02/04

Tilly Lawless was the first young, Australian woman I followed who spoke publicly and unapologetically about her work in the sex industry. She is highly educated, articulate, and strikingly nonchalant when describing her experiences in brothels or as a private escort. Tilly has transformed her lived experience into two novels and is currently writing a third, all while continuing to work as an escort in Sydney. Although she does not identify as a sex worker advocate, her TED Talks and books have had

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01:07:31

What the F**k Happened to Seeking Arrangement??? A...

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2026/01/21

Join me and Thea Rose from Seggs Talk Radio, as she unveils plans for a new sugar-dating platform, Mila Dating - designed to restore standards and trust in the scene. We get into why existing sites have become oversaturated and unregulated, how FOSTA/SESTA and COVID shifted the market, and the safety-first features Thea is prioritising like secure ID verification for men and transparent income verification for women to reduce catfishing and fraud. Tune in for a fun conversation about what it takes

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01:03:00

17. Survival Sex Work - Grief, Addiction and...

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2026/01/06

After a tragic loss in her teens, Jessica turned to drugs to deal with overwhelming guilt, and sex work to disassociate and become someone else. She worked for a decade in secret, after her parents reaction taught her that no one would ever accept her if she told them what she did. Now, 10 years out of the industry, Jessica speaks candidly about the long term impacts of shame, stigma and bad experiences she faced during her time in the industry. She opens up about the hard work she had to do to

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00:58:13

Sex Trafficked By A Loved One

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2025/12/18

TRIGGER WARNING: this episode touches on sex trafficking, domestic violence, gang violence and substance abuse Charlie was coerced into the sex trade as a young teen - unable to escape the people who trafficked her, even after moving across the world. While this story is undeniably dark, Charlie’s ability to survive, heal, and reclaim their life is genuinely inspiring. I had the pleasure of meeting them at one of their workshops, where they helped others work through the deep shame often attached to

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00:55:37

Lily Phillips - 1000 Men Challenges, The Men That...

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2025/12/04

Lily Phillips became one of the most well known Only Fans creators and controversial porn stars of our generation, after her "100 men in a day" challenge. She then went on to break a record by sleeping with 1000 men in one day. Her challenges and stunts, as well as her collaborations with Bonnie Blue, saw her take on a lot of criticism from the wider community as a bad role model for young woman - but since when were adult stars meant to be role models, and why has it fallen on them to

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01:07:55

Sugar Daddy's, Sex Parties and Setting Boundaries

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2025/11/20

This week , I sit down with one of my best friends, Elyse - to catch up on everything I’ve learned over the last six months of Make Them Pay. We dive into the surge of women joining Seeking Arrangements and OnlyFans, the truth about sugar dating, and whether rising awareness of this industry actually helps sex workers. We also talk about setting healthy boundaries, the future of monogamy, navigating sex parties, and whether hiring an escort is the safest option when exploring a threesome. If you’re

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