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Beyond The Checklist

National Association for Accreditation Leadership

Beyond the Checklist is the go-to podcast for public safety professionals, leaders, and accreditation experts dedicated to driving excellence in public safety organizations. Each episode dives into the practical aspects of the accreditation process, showcasing real-world success stories, challenges, and strategies that help agencies meet and exceed best practice standards. With interviews from top accreditation leaders, public safety officers, and industry experts, this show brings to light the

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BTC - Episode 19 - Joe Race

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2026/01/09

In this episode of Beyond the Checklist, we sit down with Joe Race—public safety attorney, former police captain, accreditation manager, and national assessor—to explore why “we don’t do it for accreditation.” Drawing on his experience as a Marine Corps veteran, FBI National Academy graduate, and CALEA accreditation leader, Joe challenges the compliance-only mindset and reframes accreditation as a strategic accelerator for organizational excellence, risk reduction, and cultural improvement. This

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BTC - Episode 18 - Dr Kimberly Miller

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2025/11/07

Beyond the Checklist: Wellness That Works with Dr. Kimberly Miller (Part 3)In this powerful third episode of our four-part series, host Kevin Rhea sits down once again with Dr. Kimberly Miller to tackle one of the most pervasive challenges in public safety and compliance work—burnout.High performers often drive the success of their organizations—but they’re also the ones most at risk of exhaustion, disengagement, and even despair. Dr. Miller explores why burnout isn’t just about external pressure

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BTC - Episode 17 - Nancy Lundy

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2025/10/31

From Hurricanes to Leadership—The South Carolina Story 🌪️➡️👩‍💼In this inspiring episode, host Kevin Rhea heads to the Palmetto State to spotlight one of the most active and collaborative accreditation coalitions in the nation—the South Carolina Police Accreditation Coalition (PAC). Kevin sits down with Nancy Lundy, a longtime accreditation leader who turned a chance encounter during a hurricane response into a lifelong commitment to helping agencies thrive through accreditation.Nancy shares how

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BTC - Episode 16 - Dr. Sonya Johnson

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2025/10/24

Welcome back to Beyond the Checklist, the official podcast of the National Association for Accreditation Leadership — where we explore how accreditation drives reform, trust, and excellence in public safety.In this episode, I’m joined by Dr. Sonya Johnson from the Savannah Police Department — a dynamic leader and expert in organizational culture, higher education, and accreditation.Together, we dive into the power of culture and accountability, how accreditation can be re-imagined as a tool for

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BTC - Episode 15 - Dr. Kimberly Miller - Part 2

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2025/10/17

In Part 2 of our conversation with Dr. Kimberly Miller, we dive into the art and challenge of having the hard conversations that leaders often avoid. From confronting toxic behaviors and burnout to delivering uncomfortable feedback across your organization, Dr. Miller provides practical insights for turning difficult discussions into meaningful opportunities for growth and culture change.Join us as we explore:Why leaders shy away from hard conversations and the ripple effects on culture, retention,

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BTC - Episode 14 - Lonnie Lemons & David Taylor

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2025/10/10

In this episode of Beyond the Checklist, host Kevin Rhea sits down with two legends in the world of accreditation and corrections — Lonnie Lemons and David Taylor. Together, they share over 60 years of experience in law enforcement, corrections, and accreditation leadership.From developing national standards and leading accreditation boards to training the next generation of public safety professionals, Lonnie and David have dedicated their careers to building safer, more effective

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BTC - Episode 13 - Halcyon Frank

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2025/10/03

In this episode, we sit down with Halcyon from Under the Headset, a leader in public safety training who is redefining how agencies approach learning and development. Halcyon shares her journey into public safety, what inspired her to launch Under the Headset, and why she believes training must go beyond policies and checklists to truly connect with people.As she prepares to join NAAL on October 9th for an exclusive complacency training session, Halcyon unpacks what complacency looks like in

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BTC - Episode 12 - Kevin Rhea

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2025/09/26

This week on Beyond the Checklist, we’re doing something a little different. Instead of hosting a guest, our host Kevin Rhea takes the mic solo to share his own story, his passion for accreditation, and the vision behind the National Association for Accreditation Leadership (NAAL).Kevin’s journey in public safety began in 1993 as a 911 dispatcher in metro Detroit, eventually leading him into patrol, investigations, supervision, training, union leadership, accreditation management, and national-level

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BTC - Episode 11 - Neal Rossow and Stephanie Erb

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2025/09/19

In this episode of Beyond the Checklist, NAAL Co-Founder and Executive Director Kevin Rhea sits down with Deputy Director Neal Rossow and newly appointed Advisory Board Member Stephanie Erb to reflect on NAAL’s first 120 days and look ahead to the future. Together, they discuss the progress the association has already made in uniting accreditation managers and assessors across all public safety disciplines and the exciting opportunities that lie ahead for professional development, networking, and

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BTC - Episode 10 - Sarah McEntee

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2025/09/12

In this episode of Beyond the Checklist, host Kevin Rhea sits down with Sarah McEntee, Executive Director of the Commission on Accreditation for Ambulance Services (CAAS). Together, they explore how CAAS has been shaping excellence in EMS for decades—helping agencies deliver safe, reliable, and high-quality care to communities across the country.Sarah shares her personal journey into leadership, the mission and impact of CAAS, and how accreditation goes far beyond paperwork to transform

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BTC - Episode 9 - Dr. Kimberly Miller

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2025/09/05

Podcast Series: Leadership & Accreditation with Dr. Kimberly MillerEpisode 1: Origins, Mission, and the Culture of Leadership & AccountabilityIn the first episode of this four-part series, Dr. Kimberly Miller takes us to the intersection of leadership and accreditation—where culture sets the foundation for everything else. Over the course of 45 minutes, we unpack how origins, mission, and culture shape the way leaders drive accountability and lasting change within their organizations.Dr

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BTC Episode 8 - The HR Lady® Wendy Sellers

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2025/08/29

In this episode of Beyond the Checklist, we sit down with **Wendy Sellers—The HR Lady®—**to explore how people-centered leadership drives culture, compliance, and organizational success. With over 30 years of experience across industries, Wendy has helped leaders transform toxic workplaces, reduce turnover by up to 75%, and build healthier, more resilient teams.Though not an accreditation professional herself, Wendy’s expertise in HR, leadership training, and organizational wellness brings fresh and

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BTC - Episode 7 - Dr. Gordon Abner

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2025/08/22

The Data Behind Accreditation: A Thought Leader Conversation with Dr. Gordon AbnerIn this episode of Beyond the Checklist, host Kevin Rhea, Co-Founder and Executive Director of the National Association for Accreditation Leadership (NAAL), sits down with Dr. Gordon Abner, Assistant Professor of Public Management at the University of Texas at Austin’s LBJ School of Public Affairs — one of the few scholars deeply researching the real-world impacts of accreditation in public safety.From public trust to

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BTC, - Episode 6 - Thomas Breyer

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2025/08/15

Data-Driven Progress: Fire Accreditation & Innovation with Thomas BreyerIn this episode of Beyond the Checklist, host Kevin Rhea sits down with Thomas Breyer—NAAL Advisory Board Member, former Commissioner with the Commission on Fire Accreditation International (CFAI), and a leading voice in fire service data modernization.From the fireground to the boardroom, Thomas shares his journey into accreditation leadership and how real-time data systems are reshaping the fire service’s approach to

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BTC - Episode 5 - Nicole Ishmael-Livingston

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2025/08/08

Turning Standards into Strategy with EMAP Executive Director Nicole Ishmael-LivingstonWhat if emergency management accreditation wasn’t just a checkbox—but a blueprint for transformation?In this episode of Beyond the Checklist, host Kevin Rhea sits down with Nicole Ishmael-Livingston, Executive Director of the Emergency Management Accreditation Program (EMAP), for a candid and compelling conversation about the power of accreditation to shape culture, align policy with purpose, and drive strategic

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BTC - Episode 4 - Dr. Lynn Odenthal

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2025/08/01

What if accreditation wasn’t just about compliance—but about culture?In this episode of Beyond the Checklist, host Kevin Rhea sits down with Dr. Lynn Odenthal—a seasoned leader whose two decades of experience in law enforcement and corrections have made her a go-to expert in transforming accreditation from a checklist into a catalyst for real change.From overcoming resistance and building buy-in to helping agencies reconnect policy with purpose, Dr. Odenthal shares practical insights and powerful

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BTC - Episode 3 - Deann MacLeod

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2025/07/25

The Heart of Accreditation: A Conversation with Director Deann MacLeodIn this inspiring episode of Beyond the Checklist, host Kevin Rhea sits down with Director Deann MacLeod—a dynamic leader who has championed accreditation across fire, and communications in Kingman, Arizona. From guiding the Kingman Fire Department through CFAI accreditation to achieving CALEA and ALEAP standards in the city’s dispatch center, Deann shares what it truly takes to align multiple disciplines under a shared vision of

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BTC, Episode 2 - Areaka Jewell

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2025/07/19

In this episode of Beyond the Checklist, we’re joined by Areaka Jewell — a respected leader in public safety accreditation — for a conversation about what it means to go deeper than just compliance. Areaka shares real-world insights on leading with purpose, building sustainable systems, and how agencies can transform accreditation from a one-time event into a continuous culture of excellence.Whether you're a veteran accreditation manager or just starting your journey, this episode is packed with

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BTC, Episode 1 - Michael Warren

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2025/07/11

In this episode, longtime friends and colleagues Kevin Rhea and Michael Warren reflect on over two decades of shared experience in public safety. Together, they explore how accreditation can serve as a powerful leadership tool to build healthy, high-performing agencies. With deep roots and a shared commitment to professional growth, this conversation blends practical insight, real-world experience, and a genuine passion for helping agencies move beyond the checklist to true cultural

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