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Down the Rabbit Hole

Welcome to Down the Rabbit Hole—a podcast where two artists, best friends, and lifelong seekers wander into the depths of what it means to be fully alive. We"re not here to give you answers. We"re here to ask better questions. About art, about grief, about the body, about love, longing, leaving, and everything in between. In this space, we dive into the tender, the taboo, and the beautifully unhinged parts of being human. Sometimes it"s a conversation between just the two of us. Sometimes we bring

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Episode 16: The Aesthetic of Obedience in Beauty...

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2026/03/19

In this episode of Down the Rabbit Hole, we unpack the cultural moment we're living in—and how beauty standards are never just about beauty. From the rise of the clean girl aesthetic to the rebranding of trad wife culture, we explore how discipline, control, and obedience are being repackaged as aspirational lifestyles. What looks like "wellness," "simplicity," or "femininity" on the surface often carries deeper messaging about who women should be….and how they should behave. We also dive into the

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Episode 15: The Healing Power of Gathering (Plus...

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2026/03/06

In this episode of Down the Rabbit Hole, Sam and Bri spiral (naturally) from creative retreats to Parisian art history to jujitsu mats and, somehow, swords. At the heart of the conversation is their shared belief that creative retreats are not indulgent escapes — they're a return. A way to refill the creative well. A way to remember who you are outside of productivity, partnership, motherhood, performance. They reflect on the power of gathering women in wild landscapes — the wildlife encounters, the

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01:09:13

Episode 14: Artists: Safety, Cycles, and Self Trust

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2026/02/21

This one is for the artists. In this episode, Sam and Bri talk shop, fully and without censor, all the ebs and flows of choosing a creative life path, the highs and lows, and everything in between. Choosing to create your own career comes with incredible freedoms, and often a total lack of structure. The artist must not only create the art, but must become an expert at self trust, nervous system regulation, and personalized daily structure. Finding your creative people is the greatest tool of

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01:07:40

Episode 13: Navigating Shadow, Sensitivity, and...

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2026/02/06

In this episode, Sam and Bri unpack the collective grief and rage many women are carrying, using Renee Good's killing to name the quiet power dynamics women navigate every day. They dive into feminism, masculinity, and their privilege as white women, while also reminding listeners to look for the collective good still alive in the world. From there, heading directly into self work, emotional capacity, attachment styles, and the necessity of learning to receive. Sam reflects on a retreat that taught

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Episode 12: Rejecting Collective Apathy, Considering...

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2026/01/23

The rabbit hole this week explores the outrage gap we feel between men and women, the power in shifting the gaze inward, the nuance of learned helplessness, and the seductive nature of political apathy. 00:00 Welcome Back and New Beginnings 04:04 Sponsorship Woes and Podcasting Realities 10:28 Collective Gaslighting: Women's Experiences 16:15 The Outrage Gap: Men and Women's Issues 23:13 Learned Helplessness and Political Apathy 29:45 Reclaiming Agency and Community

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Episode 11: What We've Learned This Year

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2026/01/09

In this light-hearted episode, Bri and Sam discuss their issue with the New Year being too pressurized, fun memories and traditions of the New Year, and how the choose to set goals. They each give each other insight to the lessons they've learned: from breaking toxic relationship patterns to leaning in to self trust as a single woman. This episode focus on taking moments of gratitude and reflection for all that's happened this year.

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56:39

Episode 10: Creating Traditions, Seasonal Stillness,...

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2025/12/19

We dive into the emotional weight of nostalgia, the beginnings of holiday consumerism, and the importance of creating our own traditions as an act of self love. We share some of the grief and healing that can come with stillness and seasonal cycles, and we also attempt to give some of our Christmas traditions the credit where they're due.

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Episode 9: Health Advocacy and The Pelvic Floor Part II

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2025/12/05

In this episode, Sam and Bri continue exploring a conversation with friend and Pelvic Floor Therapist Dr. Kayleigh. They talk about health class and the shame it implements at a young age, how the world discounts intuitive bodily sensation, and the power of diaphragmatic breathing for strength, healing and resilience. The conversation works around chronic illness and pain as they talk about their own personal experiences while weaving in Dr.Kayleigh's widsom. They discuss the power of meditation for

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01:24:14

Reclaiming Your Body: Chronic Illness, Pelvic Floor...

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2025/11/21

In this episode, we're joined by our friend and pelvic floor physical therapist, Dr. Kayleigh, and we go way down the rabbit hole on chronic conditions, the body keeping the score, and what it can look like to learn how to heal your own body from the inside out. We get radically honest about our personal medical stories: endometriosis, appendicitis, chronic constipation, and even peeing ourselves while running—and how each experience has shaped our relationship to our bodies. Dr. Kayleigh offers

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Episode 7: What the Body is Worth

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2025/11/07

This week, after a brief detour into the Hamilton obsession, Bri takes us back to her former life in the New York modeling world - and the unique relationship she developed with her body along the way. Sam shares her own experience with bodily perfection and the pressure as a dancer. They unpack body image, identity, and the ways society shapes what we think we want.

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Episode 6: Navigating the Gray Areas: Male-Female...

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2025/10/10

Can men and women really just be friends? In this conversation, Bri and Sam unpack the intricate dynamics of platonic relationships across gender lines. They explore the nuance of power imbalances between men and women, sharing personal experiences of feeling unsafe and the ways these dynamics shape our interactions… even in friendships. From the tension between genuine connection and underlying sexual chemistry to the question of whether true platonic friendship can exist when power differentials

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59:35

Episode 5: Recovering ‘Cool Girls’ and Female...

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2025/09/26

In this episode we’re diving into competition as women, life as recovering ‘cool girls’, toxic views of femininity that take a lot of dismantling. We also share our personal icks, the creepy masks of our childhood, and we’d love to ‘make men gather for wholesome reasons again’.

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Episode 4: Life Transitions, and the Inconvenience of...

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2025/09/11

Sam and Bri talk about the messiness of transition, living between homes and lives, and leaning on the help you didn’t have to ask for.

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Episode 3: Reclaiming the Multidimensional Self

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2025/08/29

In this episode, Sam and Bri dive into the complex topic of severing parts of the self in order to be more palatable. They share their own experiences of shrinking various sides of themselves in order to be taken seriously in the art world, what it means to be a multidimensional human, and how specialization culture is harming our global community. They chat about how women are the real outlaws, Bri’s landlord being the big Lebowski, and Sam will have to be taxidermied for her tattoos to live

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Episode 2: Art School Reject and There’s Caulk on My...

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2025/08/15

Sam and Bri talk academic rejection, career validation, burning paintings, falling studio ceilings, and wrestling the tension between deeper work and social media.

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Episode 1: Imposter Syndrome and Growing Into Your...

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2025/07/28

Sam and Bri discuss how they met during the early phases of their careers, a van trip out west, and imposter syndrome and its many faces. Not without recalling a few unfortunate doctor visits, the true cost of toxic relationships, and the way we catch ourselves after we jump off a cliff.

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