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Everybody"s Talking at Once

Drew Messinger-Michaels and Lucio Valentino

Trying to make sense of things, and sometimes even succeeding. A podcast about videogames, music, books, movies, television, theater, gallery art, and life as (mostly) proud citizens of the Internet.

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Who Could Want Gameplay? with Alexander Clair Tseu...

Everybody"s Talking at Once ·

2025/05/12

ETAO PODCAST, EPISODE 184. The one and only droqen puzzle-platforms on over to discuss his latest game The End of Gameplay, and how it responds to the stubbornly present, all-too-alive gameplay in his game Starseed Pilgrim. This requires a provisional definition of gameplay. Whether the conversation’s other tributaries are required or not is a question … Continue reading "Who Could Want Gameplay? with Alexander Clair Tseu Martin (a.k.a. droqen)"

If We Can’t Do This, Then What Are We Doing? with...

Everybody"s Talking at Once ·

2025/01/06

ETAO PODCAST, EPISODE 182. Rasheed Abueideh and Rami Ismail talk about Dreams on a Pillow. We talk about how the game combines layered, poetic audiovisuals and gameplay with history and folklore in order to create an account of the Nakba “that is so true to what happened that it is borderline-illegal to say it.” You … Continue reading "If We Can’t Do This, Then What Are We Doing? with Rasheed Abueideh and Rami Ismail"

This Nightmare Will Never End! Hell Yeag! with Lilith...

Everybody"s Talking at Once ·

2024/04/16

ETAO PODCAST, EPISODE 181. Lilith Walther aetherboosts her way on over to talk about Nightmare Kart, its previously life as Bloodborne KART, its demake predecessor Bloodborne PSX, and the relationship between retro aesthetics, open development practices, and a general attitude of… YOLO? Nightmare Kart will be out for free on May 31.You can see more … Continue reading "This Nightmare Will Never End! Hell Yeag! with Lilith Walther"

Helldivers II and Making Art about Fascism without...

Everybody"s Talking at Once ·

2024/03/19

ETAO PODCAST, EPISODE 179. Helldivers II is a wildly popular co-op shooter. It’s also extremely funny. It’s also very much about fascism, both in the sense that its satirical lens is aimed at fascist tendencies in moribund democracies, and in the sense that its core pleasures are… sort of fascist? The music makes you feel … Continue reading "Helldivers II and Making Art about Fascism without Making Fascist Art"

Adventures & Ampersands, with Irwin Chen, Nathan...

Everybody"s Talking at Once ·

2023/03/07

ETAO PODCAST, EPISODE 156. A fair few of the kids who played Dungeons & Dragons in the 1980s are now parents with kids old enough to play Dungeons & Dragons. At the same time, and beyond that: Tabletop Role Playing Games, which were once firmly esoteric and counter-cultural pursuits (not to mention the target of … Continue reading "Adventures & Ampersands, with Irwin Chen, Nathan Dummitt, & Ed Chung"

This Episode Has Gone to the Shadow Realm

Everybody"s Talking at Once ·

2022/12/13

ETAO PODCAST, EPISODE 150. Drew here, with an update. At the time I recorded this episode, I was not aware of A.M. Darke’s accusations against Zack Johnson. Among the numerous reasons this sucks (though by no means the most important one) is that it’s embarrassing. Research is something I’m generally pretty good at, so missing … Continue reading "This Episode Has Gone to the Shadow Realm"

Trust, Rust, Tech, and Meat, with Anton Hand

Everybody"s Talking at Once ·

2022/11/29

ETAO PODCAST, EPISODE 149. It would be quite the understatement to say that things have changed in VR in the six years Anton Hand has been working on Hot Dogs, Horseshoes & Hand Grenades. Companies have entered and exited. Platforms have risen and fallen. Things have gotten vastly stupider in various ways—but all while VR … Continue reading "Trust, Rust, Tech, and Meat, with Anton Hand"

Shakespearean Shōjo and Wholesome Horror, with Robert...

Everybody"s Talking at Once ·

2022/11/15

ETAO PODCAST, EPISODE 148. Robert Boyd takes our stage to talk about This Way Madness Lies, his studio’s new “Shakespeare-themed magical girl JRPG” (a thing that there ought to be more of). The game isn’t exactly faithful to its source material—but then, Shakespeare was never all that faithful to his, either. Frankly, we’ll take enthusiasm … Continue reading "Shakespearean Shōjo and Wholesome Horror, with Robert Boyd"

The Past and Present of Sword & Fairy, with Johnny Liu

Everybody"s Talking at Once ·

2022/11/01

ETAO PODCAST, EPISODE 147. Johnny Liu schools us on the history of Chinese RPGs in general, and the long-running, massively impactful 仙劍奇俠傳 series in particular. It’s been called Sword & Fairy in the West (when it isn’t being called Chinese Paladin), but that title doesn’t fully capture what these games have to offer—and that simple … Continue reading "The Past and Present of Sword & Fairy, with Johnny Liu"

The ETAO Quarterly, Vol. 3

Everybody"s Talking at Once ·

2022/10/18

ETAO PODCAST, EPISODE 146. Drew, Lucio, and L check in on what they’ve been playing these past few months. Splatoon 3 naturally comes up, as does Drew’s continuing project to catch up on Final Fantasy XIV. Meanwhile, L has been messing around with her new Steam Deck, so prepare to hear about Rune Factory, about … Continue reading "The ETAO Quarterly, Vol. 3"

Root and Branch, with Aidan Moher

Everybody"s Talking at Once ·

2022/10/04

ETAO PODCAST, EPISODE 145. Aidan Moher is probably best known for his long-running, Hugo-winning blog A Dribble of Ink and its spiritual successor Astrolabe, or else for his short-form fiction, which prods at the boundaries of various sci-fi and fantasy subgenres. Today, he releases his first non-fiction book, FIGHT, MAGIC, ITEMS: The History of Final … Continue reading "Root and Branch, with Aidan Moher"

Democracy at Work, with Jessica Gonzalez

Everybody"s Talking at Once ·

2022/09/20

ETAO PODCAST, EPISODE 144. Jessica Gonzalez stops by to talk about the labor of making games—and specifically, the vitally important, structurally maligned discipline of Quality Assurance—in the context of her work with ABetterABK, Game Workers Unite, and CODE-CWA. Building on our previous conversation with Emma Kinema here on the show, we discuss where game development … Continue reading "Democracy at Work, with Jessica Gonzalez"

The ETAO Quarterly, Vol. 2

Everybody"s Talking at Once ·

2022/07/26

ETAO PODCAST, EPISODE 140. Franny, Lucio, and Drew check in on what they’ve been playing, including but by no means limited to Elden Ring. We talk Neon White, Tunic, Horizon: Forbidden West, and Stray, as well as some of the games we’re looking forward to later this year, from God of War Ragnarök and Splatoon … Continue reading "The ETAO Quarterly, Vol. 2"

Last Call, with Zach Barth

Everybody"s Talking at Once ·

2022/07/12

ETAO PODCAST, EPISODE 139. Zach Barth is back to talk about Last Call BBS, which is the last Zachtronics game, and also a collection of eight smaller—though not all especially small!—Zachtronics games, unified by the fictional hardware spec for which they were built and the fictional software pirate who distributed them. It’s a celebration of … Continue reading "Last Call, with Zach Barth"

Neural Spike, with Heather Flowers and Aura Belle

Everybody"s Talking at Once ·

2022/06/14

ETAO PODCAST, EPISODE 137. Heather Flowers has expanded the world of EXTREME MEATPUNKS FOREVER into a TTRPG, in collaboration with Aura Belle. Here both of the authors talk about the rough-and-ready nature of the Powered by the Apocalypse system on which MEATPUNKS is based, and the thoroughly American nightmare that is Meatworld—plus, how to invite … Continue reading "Neural Spike, with Heather Flowers and Aura Belle"

Unwieldy Delights, with Damien Crawford

Everybody"s Talking at Once ·

2022/05/31

ETAO PODCAST, EPISODE 136. Damien Crawford makes games that revel in experimentation, and in taking an idea arguably too far. Faer latest game Purgatory Dungeoneer isn’t not that, but it’s definitely something else, too: It’s a reflection on trauma, and on being a hero well past when you’re young and heedless. It’s a strategic RPG, … Continue reading "Unwieldy Delights, with Damien Crawford"

After the End of Everything, with David Galindo

Everybody"s Talking at Once ·

2022/05/17

ETAO PODCAST, EPISODE 135. When David Galindo came by to reveal ChefSquad, he mentioned that his studio was working on its biggest game yet. We now know that the game in question is Cook Serve Forever, and game that isn’t a continuation of the Cook, Serve, Delicious! trilogy—but it also isn’t not a continuation of … Continue reading "After the End of Everything, with David Galindo"

Organic Growth, with Marina Kittaka and Melos Han-Tani

Everybody"s Talking at Once ·

2022/04/19

ETAO PODCAST, EPISODE 133. Marina Kittaka and Melos Han-Tani return to talk about their narrative-rich platformer-but-also-more-than-that, Sephonie. It’s quite a different game from Anodyne 2, and as such, this is a fairly different conversation than the one they had with Drew about Anodyne 2. It’s equal parts a conversation about oscillating between hope and not-hope, … Continue reading "Organic Growth, with Marina Kittaka and Melos Han-Tani"

The ETAO Quarterly, Vol. 1

Everybody"s Talking at Once ·

2022/04/05

ETAO PODCAST, EPISODE 132. Rather than try to cram all of what we’ve been playing into a single year-end round-up, this year we’ve decided to check in every three months or so. This time around, Drew, Lucio, and L talk mostly about Pokémon Legends: Arceus (with the two main Ni No Kuni games on the … Continue reading "The ETAO Quarterly, Vol. 1"

Playing with Genre and Building a Scene, with Glen Henry

Everybody"s Talking at Once ·

2022/03/22

ETAO PODCAST, EPISODE 131. Glen Henry is something of a leading voice in the Jamaican game development scene, partly by accident (by virtue of simply being a “persistent” voice in the space) and partly on purpose (by virtue of his own podcast Build It and They Will Play, where he talks to other creative folks … Continue reading "Playing with Genre and Building a Scene, with Glen Henry"

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