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No Boxes: Just Verses

No Boxes: Just Verses is where inspiring leaders reveal the songs and stories that shaped their journey. Join host Shannon Nash, a global C-suite leader, attorney, and CPA, as she goes beyond titles and trophies to explore the moments that truly defined today"s top executives, entrepreneurs, and artists.Each episode is a deep dive into a guest"s personal "Leadership Playlist," uncovering the pivotal lessons and life-changing moments tied to the music that moved them. From career breakthroughs to

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All Episodes

44:41

Sonita Lontoh on Starting at PG&E, Embracing the...

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2026/03/16

How do you transition from a childhood in Jakarta to a seat on the boards of top public tech companies in the United States? In this episode of No Boxes, Just Verses, I sit down with Sonita Lontoh. We discuss her early culture shock at UC Berkeley, her courage to defy expectations in business school, and her proven strategy to secure public board seats. ABOUT SONITA: Sonita Lontoh is an accomplished public company board director with expertise in AI, technology innovation, and customer trust....

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59:21

Denise Froemming on Breaking Boundaries and Building...

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2026/03/09

How do you go from assisting your parents with residential construction in rural Wisconsin to the top executive role at the largest state CPA society in the country? In this episode of No Boxes, Just Verses, I sit down with Denise Froemming. We discuss her pivot from healthcare aspirations to accounting, the realities of family obligations early in a career, and the reasons she views the CPA credential as the ultimate career accelerator. About Our Guest: Denise Froemming Denise is a CPA and ...

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52:55

Dr. Lena Cheng on Leaving Life as a Physician,...

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2026/03/02

How do you pivot from a demanding medical career to founding a healthcare marketing agency, and then discover your true physical power in your fifties? In this episode of No Boxes, Just Verses, I sit down with my friend Dr. Lena Cheng. Lena shares her incredible journey of honoring her internal compass, leaving clinical practice behind, and building a highly successful second career in digital health. We discuss the importance of utilizing executive coaches, the reality of taking steps backwa...

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59:03

Ahmad Thomas on California Roots and Military Values,...

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2026/02/23

How do you go from taking an unpaid internship and sleeping on a couch to leading the most powerful business association in Silicon Valley? In this episode of No Boxes, Just Verses, I am thrilled to sit down with my good friend Ahmad Thomas, CEO of the Silicon Valley Leadership Group. Ahmad shares his incredible journey—from growing up on a military base on California’s Central Coast to navigating the high-pressure corridors of Capitol Hill and Wall Street. We discuss the power of taking calc...

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69:23

Suezette Yasmin Robotham on Jamaican Roots and...

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2026/02/16

How do you go from being weeded out of pre-med to leading global talent strategies for the world's biggest tech giants? In this episode of No Boxes, Just Verses, I sit down with my dear friend Suezette Yasmin Robotham, a best-selling author and global talent executive. Suezette takes us on her incredible circuitous journey—from a first-generation immigrant kid in Florida to the C-Suites of Google, Meta, and Salesforce. We discuss how she successfully pivoted from education reform into big tec...

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51:06

Craig Kielburger on Starting a Global Movement at 12,...

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2026/02/09

How does a 12-year-old boy reading the comics end up interrupting a Prime Minister, partnering with Oprah, and leading a global movement for child rights? In this episode of No Boxes, Just Verses, we sit down with Craig Kielburger, co-founder of the WE organization and Legacy Plus. Craig shares his extraordinary journey from a suburban kid in Canada to a world-renowned social entrepreneur who has worked with everyone from Mother Teresa to the Dalai Lama. Craig opens up about the surreal momen...

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65:20

Calvin Harris Jr. on Maryland Roots and Morehouse to...

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2026/02/02

How does a shy kid from the DMV who hid behind his parents’ legs grow up to lead one of the most influential accounting organizations in the country? In this episode of No Boxes, Just Verses, we sit down with Calvin Harris Jr., CEO of the New York State Society of CPAs (NYSSCPA). Calvin shares his incredible journey of resilience, starting with a challenging college experience where he lost his scholarship and faced homelessness, forcing him to work at a moving company while his friends were ...

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54:58

Dr. Thane Kreiner on Scaling Biotech at Affymetrix,...

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2026/01/26

From a difficult childhood marked by tragedy to leading a genomic revolution and championing diversity in corporate boardrooms, Dr. Thane Kreiner’s journey is a testament to the power of resilience and making a plan to be someone. Thane takes us through his incredible career arc—from writing the business plan for DNA chip pioneer Affymetrix as an intern to becoming a four-time CEO and leading the Miller Center for Social Entrepreneurship. We go deep into the personal stories that shaped him, ...

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63:18

Daryl Butler on LA Roots, HBCU and Finance...

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2026/01/19

Is your career a ladder or a jungle gym? How do you transition from reporting the numbers to being the one who drives them? In this episode of No Boxes, Just Verses, we sit down with Daryl "DB" Butler, Vice President of Global Partnerships and Trusted Voices at Google. DB takes us on a masterclass journey through his jungle gym career—starting in finance and accounting before making a bold pivot to sales and marketing that led him to shape culture at iconic brands like Boost Mobile, Nike, Jor...

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67:10

Carrie J. Clark on Detroit Roots and Resilience...

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2026/01/12

How do you keep moving forward when life forces you to grow up at age 11? Can you maintain your integrity when your job conflicts with your values? In this episode of No Boxes, Just Verses, we explore the incredible journey of a leader who turned early personal tragedy into a lifetime of resilience and service. We go beyond the bio to discuss how to lead through loss, the power of divine order in your career, and what it takes to manage global teams during a crisis. Carrie J. Clark is a power...

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64:58

Kelly Frye on Texas Roots, Hollywood Success on...

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2026/01/08

Are you afraid to start over? Do you feel like it’s too late to pursue a creative passion or pivot your career because you didn't start young enough? Whether you are navigating a competitive industry, recovering from a personal setback, or simply feeling the itch to try something new, this episode of No Boxes, Just Verses is your blueprint for resilience. We go beyond the bio to explore how to embrace being a beginner, how to navigate life's sinking canoes and why your 10,000 hours of hard wo...

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62:42

Malinda Williams on Her Evolution from Soul Food’s...

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2026/01/05

Are you feeling stuck in a wilderness season, unsure of your next move, or afraid to pivot? Whether you are navigating a career transition, facing financial uncertainty, or simply trying to rediscover your voice, this episode of No Boxes, Just Verses is the inspiration you need. We go beyond the resume to explore how to turn rock bottom into a launchpad for reinvention. Join us as we explore the incredible journey of a Hollywood icon who taught herself to code during a personal low point and ...

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47:26

Top 10 Leadership Lessons from Season One [Part 2]

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2025/12/29

Are you a high-level manager struggling to make the leap to "unboxed" leadership? Many professionals hit a plateau where they focus solely on vertical status rather than the diverse skills needed for the C-Suite. This common pain point can lead to career stagnation and burnout. In the conclusion of our Season 1 Recap, No Boxes: Just Verses explores the five final pillars of leadership that separate good managers from world-class leaders. This episode addresses how to use your platform for a h...

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39:11

Top 10 Leadership Lessons from Season One [Part 1]

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2025/12/22

Are you feeling stuck on a secure career path that no longer sparks curiosity? Do you feel like you have to wear a mask to be respected in the C-Suite? Many leaders face the grueling pressure of maintaining a perfect image while navigating personal trials or professional stagnation. This episode of No Boxes: Just Verses addresses the specific pain point of boxed-in leadership. In this special Part 1 recap, host Shannon Nash counts down the first five pillars of leadership that defined our deb...

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45:18

The No Boxes Just Verses Countdown: Season 1’s Top 5...

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2025/12/15

As we wrap up an incredible Season One, join us for a special countdown of the Top 5 most-chosen songs that shaped the journeys of our leaders! This episode goes beyond the rankings to explore the common musical threads that connect incredible leaders across business, culture, creativity, and community. We revisit the powerful stories behind the anthems of resilience, joy, strategy, and strength that resonated most deeply with our phenomenal guests. Key Takeaways: Season one has been nothing ...

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60:11

Lisa DeCarlo & Lisa Shalett on Wall Street Careers,...

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2025/12/08

Are you an executive struggling with the isolation of high-level leadership? Have you faced a personal crisis that forced you to re-evaluate your entire career path? In this powerful Authentic and Strategic episode of No Boxes: Just Verses, we go beyond the bios, beyond the titles with the two Lisas—Lisa DeCarlo and Lisa Shallet—co-founders of Extraordinary Women on Boards (EWOB). They share deeply personal stories: Lisa D’s health scare that forced vulnerability and Lisa S’s decision to reti...

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51:32

Melonie D. Parker on North Carolina Roots, Hampton...

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2025/12/01

Are you feeling stuck in a predictable career path? Do you struggle to make a strategic lateral move because you're afraid to lose status? In this highly Strategic episode of No Boxes: Just Verses, we go beyond the bios, beyond the titles with Melonie Parker, VP of Employee Engagement at Google. Melonie shares her authentic story of navigating a 17-year career at Lockheed Martin through lateral moves and the crucial decision to take a non-promotional role at Google to answer a personal questi...

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71:13

Debbie Allen on Texas Roots, Howard, Fame, A...

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2025/11/24

Are you a creative professional who struggles to gain control behind the camera or above the line? Do you need courage to pivot from performing to directing? In this unforgettable episode of No Boxes: Just Verses, we go beyond the bios, beyond the titles with the incomparable cultural icon, Debbie Allen. Debbie shares the courageous, unconventional journey—from facing segregation in Texas to tripling HBCU enrollment with A Different World. Learn her strategy for owning content, leveraging her...

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65:56

Chloé & Maud Arnold on DC Roots, Columbia University,...

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2025/11/17

Do you worry that pursuing a passion like the arts can't lead to stable, global success? Do you need inspiration to keep grinding through the long years of unemployed fun? In this highly Inspirational episode of No Boxes: Just Verses, we go beyond the bios, beyond the titles with Chloé and Maud Arnold, powerhouse sister duo and founders of the viral Syncopated Ladies tap dance troupe. Learn their strategies for artistic entrepreneurship, leveraging education as a tool for access, and maintain...

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48:11

Shannon Watts on PR Expert, Intentional Career Pause,...

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2025/11/10

Are you feeling guilty about taking a career pause? Do you wonder if you're too old or too late to make a major professional pivot? In this highly Inspirational episode of No Boxes: Just Verses, we go beyond the bios, beyond the titles with Shannon Watts—Founder of Moms Demand Action, Time's 100 Most Influential People, and author of Fired Up. Shannon shares her authentic story of leaving a successful corporate career and taking a deliberate five-year break to focus on family. Known as ...

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