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Law and Disorder

Law and Disorder is a new weekly podcast looking at the biggest issues in the news through the prism of the law. We"ve brought together three of the UK"s best legal minds: recently retired High Court judge Sir Nicholas Mostyn, barrister and human rights campaigner Baroness Helena Kennedy, and Charlie Falconer, a Labour peer and former Lord Chancellor.Subscribe now for weekly episodes disentangling the thorniest of subjects, from Rishi Sunak"s Rwanda bill to the situation in Gaza, via Post Office

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40:47

Trump's Tariffs v the Supreme Court

Law and Disorder ·

2026/03/07

This week we're looking at the decision of the United States Supreme Court to go against President Trump in a ruling which contests his power to unilaterally set tariffs. The case could have significant financial consequences and is being heralded as a possible turning point for a court that's often seen as excessively political. But what was in the nitty-gritty of the judgment? And does it really suggest a change of approach from the conservative majority court? The Law & Disorder triplets are

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20:44

The Persecution of Jimmy Lai

Law and Disorder ·

2026/02/28

In light of Hong Kong businessman and media tycoon Jimmy Lai being sentenced to 20 years in prison under China's National Security Law (a conviction for fraud was overturned after the recording of this episode), we wanted to return to the story of one of the great modern human rights injustices. Helena, Charlie and Nicholas discuss the plight of Jimmy Lai and his family, and whether British judges who continue to serve in Hong Kong are safeguarding other political prisoners or offering validity to a

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30:38

Mandelson, Mountbatten-Windsor, and Malfeasance

Law and Disorder ·

2026/02/20

This week we're talking about another subject that's been dominating headlines: the release of the Epstein files and the implication of Peter Mandelson and Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor in potential abuses of public office. The Law & Disorder trio gather to try and unpick the potential charges the two could face (the episode was recorded prior to Mountbatten-Windsor's arrest on February 19th) and what defence they might mount.If you have questions, criticisms, praise or other feedback, please do

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28:20

Palestine Action

Law and Disorder ·

2026/02/13

One of the most controversial legal stories of the last few months has been the arrest and charging of a number of demonstrators linked to the pro-Palestine group, Palestine Action. To some, their strategies have strayed beyond protest and civil disobedience and into more dangerous territory, but, to others, they are the victims of an over zealous suppression enforced by a society reluctant to look squarely at human rights violations in Gaza. As ever, the Law & Disorder team are on hand to try

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37:41

Competition Law

Law and Disorder ·

2026/02/07

It might lack the dark glamour of criminal law or the ideological appeal of human rights law, but competition law is an important part of the systems that underpin our society. But in the modern age – with tech oligarchs becoming ever more influential – does it have the teeth to prevent monopolies forming? To discuss this, Helena Kennedy and Nicholas Mostyn are joined by another esteemed member of the Mostyn clan: Henry Mostyn, a partner at Cleary Gottlieb, and a specialist in this corner of the

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43:05

The Immigration Debate

Law and Disorder ·

2026/01/31

British politics seems increasingly dominated by issues surrounding immigration. With Reform surging in the polls and the 'small boats crisis' never far from the headlines, it's more important than ever to give a fair hearing to the legal and moral framework behind immigration. To do so, Helena, Charlie and Nicholas are joined by Enver Solomon, outgoing CEO of the Refugee Council and an expert in Britain's contentious immigration debate. If you have questions, criticisms, praise or other feedback,

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43:45

The Social Media Crisis (with Beeban Kidron)

Law and Disorder ·

2026/01/24

Australia has recently introduced a ban on under-16s using social media, a measure that has considerable support here in the UK. But does it really tackle the core issue of Big Tech companies exposing children to addictive algorithms and dangerous content? Has the government been captured by shiny technology companies and the promise of jobs and investment? Or is there something that could be done to protect people from digital abuse? Beeban Kidron – Baroness Kidron of Angel, to her peers in the

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27:04

The Capture of Maduro: is international law dead?

Law and Disorder ·

2026/01/04

On January 3rd 2026, the United States launched an audacious mission to capture Venezuelan president Nicolás Maduro and bring him back to the US to stand trial on charges related to "narcoterrorism". The operation has shocked the world, with some quarters celebrating the toppling of an illegitimate, authoritarian regime, and others decrying the flagrant abuse of international law. Has President Trump put the final nail in the coffin of the concept of international law? Or is there a defence for the

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26:48

2025: The Year in Law

Law and Disorder ·

2025/12/20

2025 has been a hugely consequential year, with troubling assaults on the Rule of Law in the US as well as challenges to international law in the Middle East and Ukraine. Closer to home, the UK justice system continues to creak under the weight of the backlog. With so much happening, the Law & Disorder team gather (remotely) one last time for 2025, to look back over the past 12 months and ahead to the start of a new year. Are our legal norms being irreparably eroded? Or can the rules-based order

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33:44

The Misconduct Dilemma: how should abuse be reflected...

Law and Disorder ·

2025/12/13

Should misconduct be taken into account when an equitable division of assets is being attempted following a divorce? That's the question we're dealing with today, as Nicholas Mostyn – and old hand in these affairs– and Helena Kennedy are joined by Anita Mehta, a barrister and co-host of Talking Family Law. Together they talk about the law as it was, is and could possibly be, as our understanding of complex issues like domestic abuse and coercive control evolve.If you have questions, criticisms,

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48:54

The Life and Times of Brenda Hale

Law and Disorder ·

2025/12/06

Baroness Brenda Hale is one of the most experienced legal minds in the country. Having served on the Supreme Court (including a stint as the first female President) she joins this week's podcast to reflect on her storied career, the times when she came up against certain podcast hosts in court, and some of the pressing issues facing the justice system, from the future of jury trials to the alleviation of the backlog. Witty, insightful and wise, Baroness Hale's life will prove an inspiration to

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45:22

Beth v The Security Service: do we have the right...

Law and Disorder ·

2025/11/29

There has been much in the news in recent years about undercover police work, with the public shocked by the level of intrusion permitted. Charlotte Kilroy KC, our guest today, is an expert on this subject, and has recently represented a woman, Beth, whose partner allegedly used his status as an informant for MI5 in order to inflict domestic abuse. In this wide-ranging discussion, the team look at the role of undercover personnel, the work of the Investigatory Powers Tribunal, and what balance must

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37:05

The Future of the Jury Trial (live from Ripon...

Law and Disorder ·

2025/11/22

Last week, the Law & Disorder trio had the privilege of broadcasting live from Ripon Cathedral, where they debated a key question at the heart of proposals to revamp Britain's justice system: should jury trials be consigned to history? Or is there space for a hybrid system? Tied to suggestions made by Sir Brian Leveson, the team make their arguments for and against preserving a key part of Britain's common law system.This event was kindly sponsored by Irwin Mitchell solicitors.If you have

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17:58

Trump v the BBC: can the President really sue the BBC?

Law and Disorder ·

2025/11/17

Donald Trump is threatening to sue the BBC for a reported $5bn over the BBC's flagship Panorama programme's 'misleading' edit of one of his speeches. The President is claiming significant reputational damage stemmed from an injudicious edit which made it seem like he had directly incited the 6th January insurrection at the Capitol. But does he really have a case? How much money could the Beeb be on the hook for? Or is the American President using 'lawfare' to chill his media critics? Nicholas

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45:22

The Employment Rights Bill

Law and Disorder ·

2025/11/15

The 2024 General Election feels a long time ago now – and must feel like another lifetime for Sir Keir Starmer – but one of the Labour party's flagship propositions, the new Employment Rights Bill, is inching its way towards the statute book. To discuss the implications (both for employers and employees), the Law & Disorder team are delighted to be joined by David Reade KC of Littleton Chambers, one of the UK's top employment barristers, who proves an expert guide through a thicket of

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43:06

Israel and International Law (with Jonathan Sumption)

Law and Disorder ·

2025/11/08

Since we began work on Law & Disorder back at the start of 2024, the challenges surrounding Israel's war on Gaza have been front page news. Have the Israeli's committed war crimes? Does this constitute a genocide? And what levers are available to the international legal community? For two years, these issues have swirled, and in spite of a recent ceasefire, no proper resolution seems near. To discuss all of these issues, we're joined by Jonathan Sumption, one of Britain's leading lawyers and a

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43:21

The Hillsborough Law

Law and Disorder ·

2025/11/01

In 1989, 97 people lost their lives in the Hillsborough disaster. The fight for justice, led by their families, has taken decades, and there are still huge failures of accountability. The cover-up after the disaster only served to exacerbate the pain of victims, and prevent justice being served. That's where the Public Office (Accountability) Bill, better known as the Hillsborough Law, comes in. Today on Law & Disorder we're joined by Pete Weatherby KC, who has represented the families of

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39:10

The Libor Appeal (with Tom Hayes)

Law and Disorder ·

2025/10/18

Back in the summer of 2015, Tom Hayes, a trader with UBS and then Citibank, was convicted for manipulating the Libor rate, a scandal that rumbled on in the wake of the 2008 financial crisis. A decade later – having spent 5 years in jail – Tom's conviction was overturned in July by the Supreme Court. How did such an extreme miscarriage of justice take place? And what does it tell us about the tricky intersection of the gunslinging Wild West of financial services and the rigidly superintended world of

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43:47

The Afghan Superinjunction

Law and Disorder ·

2025/10/11

This summer, a superinjunction was lifted, following an independent review, which had prohibited reporting on a massive data breach relating to the possible evacuation of Afghans to the UK in the wake of the Taliban takeover there. The court battle, fought between a number of media organisations and the government, exposed the ways in which the law must strike a delicate balance between national security and transparency. Did they arrive at the correct result here? To discuss, the Law & Disorder

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32:47

Events on Planet Tax (with Dan Neidle)

Law and Disorder ·

2025/10/04

Planet Tax – widely considered the most interesting and sexy domain in our galaxy – is the home of a a certain Dan Neidle. A former Head of Tax at Clifford Chance, Dan has become the country's most prominent tax vigilantes, holding public figures to account over their tax arrangements. This week, he talks us through two knotty, political tax affairs: Angela Rayner's failure to pay sufficient stamp duty on her home (which cost her her job in government) and seemingly similar shenanigans from one

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