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Sources & Methods

National security, unlocked. Each Thursday, host Mary Louise Kelly and a team of NPR correspondents discuss the biggest national security news of the week. With decades of reporting from battlefields and the halls of power, they bring you inside the Pentagon, State Department, and intelligence community to help you understand America"s shifting role in the world, and how events in faraway places matter here at home. Additional episodes feature interviews with power players from the NatSec world --

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25:03

What’s happening with the U.S. and Venezuela?

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2026/01/08

One week ago, Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro was leadingthe country. Now, he’s sitting inside a detention center in Brooklyn. Host Mary Louise Kelly speaks with NPR international correspondent Carrie Kahn in Bogotá about what she’s hearing from Venezuelans, and NPR Pentagon correspondent Tom Bowman about the Trump administration’s plans for the country. Bowman also shares his reporting that the Pentagon will review the role of women in ground combat units. Email the show

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20:14

Venezuela leader captured. Trump says U.S. to 'run'...

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2026/01/04

After months of threats, warnings and seizing of alleged drug boats – tensions between the United States and Venezuela have now come to this: the arrest of Venezuelan president Nicolás Maduro.Now, President Trump says the United States is “running the country.” In this special episode of Sources & Methods, host Mary Louise Kelly speaks with national security correspondent Greg Myre, Pentagon correspondent Tom Bowman, international correspondent Carrie Kahn and Rep. Adam Smith about the latest from

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29:01

Undercover for the holidays: Some of our favorite spy...

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2025/12/29

What's more thrilling than a great... thriller? As national security buffs, we have thoughts.Host Mary Louise Kelly chats with national security correspondent Greg Myre and books and culture reporter Andrew Limbong about some of their favorite books and authors in the world of espionage fiction.Email the show at sourcesandmethods@npr.orgNPR+ supporters hear every episode without sponsor messages and unlock access to our complete archive. Sign up at plus.npr.org.Learn more about sponsor message

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25:55

From CIA Officer to Governor: Abigail Spanberger on...

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2025/12/22

Virginia governor-elect Abigail Spanberger will be the first woman and the first former CIA officer to lead the commonwealth.Host Mary Louise Kelly talks to Spanberger about her unconventional career path that took her from Langley to D.C. and now to Richmond, and how some of her skills from gathering intelligence come in handy in politics. Email the show at sourcesandmethods@npr.orgNPR+ supporters hear every episode without sponsor messages and unlock access to our complete archive. Sign up

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28:19

Is ISIS making a comeback?

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2025/12/18

The terrorist group has been linked to the mass shooting in Australia and a deadly attack in Syria. What do these two attacks reveal about the group's strength?Host Mary Louise Kelly speaks with Pentagon correspondent Tom Bowman and Middle East correspondent Jane Arraf about how the Islamic State has adapted in a post-caliphate world and what American forces are doing in Syria.Email the show at sourcesandmethods@npr.orgNPR+ supporters hear every episode without sponsor messages and unlock access to

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28:16

Is Trump breaking up with Europe?

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2025/12/11

In recent days, President Trump has called European leaders “weak," Biden-era aid to Ukraine “stupid" and Russia “strong.” It’s a radical shift in how the United States views its closest ally. Host Mary Louise Kelly speaks with national security correspondent Greg Myre and Paris correspondent Eleanor Beardsley about where the transatlantic alliance goes from here.Email the show at sourcesandmethods@npr.orgNPR+ supporters hear every episode without sponsor messages and unlock access to our complete

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25:28

Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth is in hot water – again

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2025/12/04

Pentagon chief Pete Hegseth was already facing questions for his role in the September 2 strikes on an alleged drug boat in the Caribbean. Then on Thursday, a Pentagon report dropped that says he risked a United States bombing mission in Yemen when he shared classified plans on Signal. Host Mary Louise Kelly speaks with Pentagon correspondent Tom Bowman and national security correspondent Quil Lawrence about the controversies Hegseth keeps finding himself in. Email the show

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14:39

MAGA and 'The Mission' of the intelligence community

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2025/11/24

Ideology is the enemy of intelligence, says Pulitzer Prize winning journalist Tim Weiner. His recent book, a history of the modern CIA, is called The Mission: The CIA in the 21st Century. A version of this interview previously aired on NPR's All Things Considered.We're off the rest of the week and back with a regular Thursday episode on December 4. Email the show at sourcesandmethods@npr.orgNPR+ supporters hear every episode without sponsor messages and unlock access to our complete archive. Sign

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27:10

Trump and MBS: Who's wooing whom?

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2025/11/20

Saudi Arabia's Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman has positioned himself as a global power broker with money to invest. President Trump considers him an ally. How have the U.S.-Saudi ties deepened under Trump?Guest host Sacha Pfeiffer speaks with national security correspondent Greg Myre and international correspondent Aya Batrawy about Prince Mohammed's return to Washington, and the U.S. plan for an international security team to enter, demilitarize and govern Gaza.Email the show

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23:14

Peace through strength? America first? Is there a...

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2025/11/13

President Trump has an ad-hoc approach to foreign policy. How well is it working?Guest host Sacha Pfeiffer speaks with national security correspondent Greg Myre and Russia correspondent Charles Maynes about Trump's second term approach to foreign policy, and how that's playing out across the globe including Russia. And is Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin's nuclear talk just bluster, or the beginning of a new arms race?An earlier version of this episode contained a confusing reference to

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21:02

Insiders reveal 'wrecking ball' at Trump's DOJ: how...

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2025/11/10

Pulitzer Prize-winning journalists Carol Leonnig and Aaron C. Davis sit down with Mary Louise Kelly to talk about their book Injustice: How Politics and Fear Vanquished America’s Justice Department. They reveal why career prosecutors at Department of Justice were slow to explore the Trump administration's efforts to subvert the 2020 election -- and how they got insiders to talk.Email the show at sourcesandmethods@npr.orgNPR+ supporters hear every episode without sponsor messages and unlock access to

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26:48

The GOP's extremism problem and what it means for...

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2025/11/06

Tucker Carlson interviewed white nationalist Nick Fuentes, and now the right is divided on whether that’s okay.Host Mary Louise Kelly speaks with Odette Yousef, a national security correspondent focusing on extremism, about the divide that seems to be opening up on the American political right after Carlson’s interview. And Pentagon Correspondent Tom Bowman talks about the death and legacy of former defense secretary and vice president, Dick Cheney.Email the show at sourcesandmethods@npr.orgNPR+

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23:37

Two presidents walk into an airport

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2025/10/30

President Trump and China’s Xi Jinping backed off their trade war - but now nuclear tensions are front and center.Host Mary Louise Kelly speaks with White House Correspondent Deepa Shivaram about what Trump has and hasn't achieved on his trip through Asia. And Pentagon Correspondent Tom Bowman talks about the impending deadline on the U.S. maritime campaign against alleged drug smugglers and what the shutdown means for service members.Email the show at sourcesandmethods@npr.org.NPR+ supporters hear

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24:42

Is the U.S. military killing drug smugglers or...

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2025/10/23

Our reporter visited boat docks in Trinidad to find out.The Trump administration announced two more strikes on what it says were drug boats in the Pacific. That follows seven strikes in the Caribbean. NPR's Sacha Pfeiffer talks with international correspondent Eyder Peralta about how countries in the region are reacting. And national security correspondent Greg Myre joins from Tel Aviv, where a carousel of U.S. officials has kept pressure on Israel to adhere to the president's peace plan.Email the

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22:55

Former CIA station chief distills Putin's approach to...

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2025/10/20

Rob Dannenberg understands Vladimir Putin. He was CIA station chief in Moscow and served as the chief of operations for CIA's Counterterrorism Center. He now works as an independent consultant on geopolitical and security risk and is the co-author of A Spy Walked Into A Bar: A Practitioner's Guide to Cocktail Tradecraft. Dannenberg speaks to Mary Louise Kelly about Putin's endgame in Ukraine, his approach with President Trump, and what cocktails and espionage have in common. We're back with a new

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24:44

Trump threatens a Venezuela escalation and Pentagon...

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2025/10/16

The President said U.S. military strikes have “almost totally stopped” drug trafficking from Venezuela by sea. “Now we’ll stop it by land,” he said.Justice correspondent Ryan Lucas and Pentagon correspondent Tom Bowman talk through the disputed legal rationale for the strikes and what we know about President Trump’s goals in Venezuela. And Tom joined virtually the entire Pentagon press corps in handing in his badge on Wednesday. He explains how he’ll cover the decisions made in that building from

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24:35

What's after 'phase one' of Trump's Gaza peace deal?

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2025/10/09

And the National Guard: coming to a city near you?After two brutal years of war, there is finally hope for a lasting peace in Gaza. Greg Myre in Tel Aviv explains why things start to get a lot more complicated after the initial ceasefire and return of hostages. And Pentagon correspondent Tom Bowman breaks down when the president can legally federalize National Guard troops and how they operate on domestic deployments.Email the show at sourcesandmethods@npr.orgNPR+ supporters hear every episode

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25:32

Inside this week's massive meeting of military generals

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2025/10/02

And the president's take-it-or-leave-it Gaza peace plan.This episode, veterans' affairs correspondent Quil Lawrence breaks down Pentagon chief Pete Hegseth's meeting of top US military brass at Quantico this week. And international correspondent Aya Batrawy reacts to the unveiling of President Trump's peace plan for Gaza, as Israel's war that began nearly two years ago continues.Email the show at sourcesandmethods@npr.orgNPR+ supporters hear every episode without sponsor messages and unlock access

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11:54

Tradecraft and secrets of a CIA analyst-turned novelist

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2025/09/29

This episode, Mary Louise Kelly sits down with ex-CIA analyst-turned novelist David McCloskey to discuss tradecraft and the blurry line between truth and fiction -- when the truth is classified. David McCloskey's new book is called The Persian. We're back with a new episode on Thursday.Email the show at sourcesandmethods@npr.orgNPR+ supporters hear every episode without sponsor messages and unlock access to our complete archive. Sign up at plus.npr.org.Learn more about sponsor message choices:

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25:04

Without a press corps, who holds the Pentagon to...

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2025/09/25

And the president designates Antifa as a domestic terrorist organization.This episode, we dig into the Pentagon's demand that reporters sign a pledge commiting not to gather any information -- including unclassified reports -- that hasn't been authorized for release, or lose their press credentials. Mary Louise Kelly talks with Pentagon correspondent Tom Bowman about how how it could change his reporting. And domestic extremism correspondent Odette Yousef clarifies what President Trump's executive

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