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States of Independence

Talkhouse / Cup & Nuzzle

States of Independence dives deep into the hidden histories of the world’s greatest independent record labels with the people that know them best – the founders who built them, and the artists who made them into the stuff of rock and roll legend. In season one, it’s the saga of Beggars Banquet – an iconic punk era label that would eventually spawn an indie empire. Featuring riotous tales from label founder, Martin Mills and a line-up of his highest-achieving alumni: Gary Numan, The Cult, Bauhaus,

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Ep 9: Buffalo Tom, Trevor Tanner, Aki Nawaz and...

States of Independence ·

2025/11/06

Beggars contains multitudes. Here, three very different acts from its storied roster share their own experiences of the label. Buffalo Tom’s Bill Janowitz recalls emerging from the same Amherst alt rock scene that birthed Dinosaur Jr and happily stumbling into the line up of one of his all-time favourite labels. Then, Trevor Tanner tells the story of The Bolshoi – another act who seemed poised to take it all. Finally, Aki Nawaz and Natacha Atlas bring us the story of Fundamental, Transglobal

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27:44

Bonus Ep: Love, Rockets, Voodoo Dolls, and Malevolent...

States of Independence ·

2025/10/24

Bonus time! A story so compelling, we thought it deserved its very own episode. Behold: the full account of the fire that gutted Rick Rubin’s studio, destroyed all of Love and Rockets’ gear, and had everyone involved swearing never to dabble with a ouija board ever again. Featuring a scene-stealing walk-on from Throbbing Gristle’s General P. Orridge, and the most hair-raising description of a voodoo doll you’re ever likely to encounter. Buckle up, kiddos, things are about to take a turn for the

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Ep 8: Love and Rockets feat. Daniel Ash & David J

States of Independence ·

2025/10/23

When Love and Rockets tentatively emerged from the ashes of Bauhaus, Daniel Ash and David J were mainly looking for a way to get out of the shadow of their first, totemic project, and to have a little fun in the process. Little did they know that Love and Rockets would offer them so much more: a route into a whole new phase of music history, as legends in their own right. Here, the two of them reflect on the heliotropic instinct to move towards something new and bright as the gloom of the 80s gave

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58:32

Ep 7, Part 2: The Go-Betweens feat Robert Forster

States of Independence ·

2025/10/16

In part two of this Go-Betweens special, frontman Robert Forster remembers his dear friend, the late Grant McLennan, the band they began together as schoolboys, and his group’s quest to find a creative home that would last after the turmoil of moving from Brisbane to London. After a couple of false starts, that quest would eventually lead them to Beggars Banquet. The Go Betweens might not have found the fame and fortune that they’d travelled across the world for, but with Martin Mills, they did at

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Ep 7, Part 1: The Go-Betweens feat. Lindy Morrison

States of Independence ·

2025/10/16

For every Gary Numan or The Cult, there’s a few Go-Betweens. Those bands that stood right on the brink of breaking through – but, by some trick of fate or circumstance, never quite tipped over the edge. In part 1 of a 2-part special celebrating Australia’s greatest indie pop export, drummer Lindy Morrison reflects on all the things that made The Go-Betweens both so special and so very unlikely to ‘make it’ – at least in the years they were active. Now, the band are better known than ever, and theirs

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Preview: Fela Kuti: Fear No Man

States of Independence ·

2025/10/15

Subscribe to ⁠Fela Kuti: Fear No Man.⁠In a world that’s on fire, what is the role of art? What can music actually…do? Can a song save a life? Change a law? Topple a president? Get you killed? In Fela Kuti: Fear No Man, Jad Abumrad—creator of Radiolab, More Perfect, and Dolly Parton’s America—tells the story of one of the great political awakenings in music: how a classically trained 'colonial boy’ traveled to America, in search of Africa, only to return to Nigeria and transform his sound into a

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Ep 6: Beggars and Charlatans! feat Tim Burgess

States of Independence ·

2025/10/09

It’s the dawn of the 90s and Beggars Banquet, after a decade of goth darkness, are due a little refresh. Enter, The Charlatans – a band surfing the crest of the baggy zeitgeist. Every label in Britain wants to sign them, and lo and behold, where others fail, Martin Mills succeeds. It should be the beginning of a long leisurely stroll towards ‘happily ever after’, but the story of The Charlatans is burdened with more than its fair share of catastrophe and tragedy. Here, frontman Tim Burgess reflects

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Ep 5: After The Fall feat. Brix Smith

States of Independence ·

2025/10/02

Mark E Smith was many things. Visionary songwriter? Certainly. Enduring champion of DIY culture? Without a doubt. Lifelong grunt-worker at the Post-Punk factory? Sure, why not. But one thing he most certainly wasn’t, is easy-going. In this episode of States of Independence – the accounts of two people well placed to testify to that effect: firstly Beggars boss, Martin Mills, who had the distinct pleasure of attempting to wrangle the famously industry-hating Smith during his most prolific and

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60:34

Ep 4, part 1: Gene Loves Jezebel feat. Jay Aston

States of Independence ·

2025/09/24

Rock and roll partnerships are tempestuous at the best of times. Throw twin brothers into the mix? That’s a recipe for Armageddon. Gene Loves Jezebel were, for a stretch in the mid-80s, one of Beggars Banquet’s flagship bands, but when differences between the twin frontmen at the heart of it all became irreconcilable, they split apart – and eventually launched two competing versions of the same group. Which is why episode four of States of Independence gets the ‘two parter’ treatment. First up, we

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36:17

Ep 4, part 2: Gene Loves Jezebel feat Michael Aston

States of Independence ·

2025/09/24

There are two sides to every story… In part two of the Gene Loves Jezebel saga, Michael Aston shares his own recollections of the band he formed, loved, and lost with his twin, Jay. Funnily enough, his story doesn’t always align with his brother’s account. But then that’s what makes the whole story of Gene Loves Jezebel so very interesting…Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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80:04

Ep 3. Cult Following feat Billy Duffy

States of Independence ·

2025/09/18

After the split of Bauhaus, a whole new wave of goth bands step into the breach. But none will prove so pivotal in the story of Beggars Banquet as The Cult. Here, Martin Mills and legendary Cult guitarist Billy Duffy tell the story of his band’s dizzying ascent from the ashes of Southern Death Cult to full-blown Californian rock gods. It’s a story filled with all the usual trappings of rock and roll fame – with money, drugs, and hard-fought creative differences all leaving their mark on the band –

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69:32

Ep 2. Numania and The Decade of Darkness. feat. Gary...

States of Independence ·

2025/09/11

Gary Numan has gifted Beggars Banquet their very first number one. So why is neither he nor the label happy? We step inside the intense backlash that comes with fame, as a painfully young Gary Numan tries to make sense of sudden superstardom. Plus, Martin Mills scrambles to define Beggars Banquet as more than just one very big artist… which brings us first to Jon Rocca’s delightfully unpunk electro pioneers, Freeez and their massive NY club hit, I.O.U, and then to something altogether more sombre

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Ep 1: Birth of the Banquet feat. Gary Numan

States of Independence ·

2025/09/11

Rome wasn’t built in a day, and neither was Beggars Banquet. The story starts in 1974 with three mates, a little bit of cash, and the dream of opening a record shop. But when punk happens, it changes everything – and suddenly there’s a new fantasy to chase. Label founder Martin Mills drops us into the chaotic formative years of Beggars Banquet and introduces us to their very first signing, The Lurkers. Then, we meet their first star, Gary Numan, who details his meteoric rise from just another punk

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States of Independence - Trailer

States of Independence ·

2025/08/28

In States of Independence hear first-hand the stories behind the world's greatest independent record labels. The series includes new interviews with luminaries signed along the way, including Gary Numan, Pete Murphy, Brix Smith and founder Martin Mills. All of them come together to tell the story of an organisation with the spirit of punk rock baked into its very DNA.

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