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Zach Abramowitz is Legally Disrupted

Zach Abramowitz

My name is Zach Abramowitz and I am Legally Disrupted. This podcast covers the trends disrupting the legal profession. Once a mild mannered practicing attorney, I now am an entrepreneur and investor in disruptive legal startups. My company, Killer Whale Strategies, helps law firms, legal departments, and anyone else capitalize on the wave of disruption sweeping over the legal industry. Join me as I spotlight key players, significant trends, and innovative companies who are shaking up an age old

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34:03

E34 - How Will AI Work with Document Management?...

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2025/12/04

Zach sits down with NetDocuments Chief Product Officer Dan Hauck to unpack how AI is truly being used inside law firms and in-house legal teams today - from large-scale document profiling to agentic assistants that search, summarize, and edit directly within the DMS. Recorded live at ND Inspire conference, Dan explains why lightweight models are unlocking new automation, how in-house teams are often leading on adoption, and why the real ROI of legal AI goes beyond efficiency to include better

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E33 - Building the AI-First Law Firm: Jen Berrent on...

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2025/11/13

Zach talks with Jen Berrent, former WeWork executive and founder of Covenant, an AI-first law firm reimagining how deals get done. They dive deep into what it means to build a law firm from the ground up around artificial intelligence — not as a tool, but as the foundation. Jen shares her perspective on why too much work still runs through Big Law, how AI is transforming the middle tier of legal work, and what it takes to balance human expertise with machine efficiency.In this episode: What an

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E32 - Harvey Co-Founder Gabe Pereyra on Building the...

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2025/11/04

Zach sits down with Harvey cofounder Gabe Pereyra to talk about what changed after “Attention Is All You Need,” why partners - not juniors - are driving Harvey’s adoption, and how AI is teaching law firms to learn faster than ever.In this episode: The origin story of Harvey and how it became the “Dallas Cowboys of Legal Tech” Lessons from the early days of AI at Google Brain and DeepMind Why the real opportunity isn’t automation — it’s amplification How top law firms are already using

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E31 - Zach and Richard's Excellent Legal AI...

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2025/10/30

Zach and Richard delve into the recent challenges faced by Robin AI, a pioneering legal tech company that has laid off staff and is seeking a buyer due to disappointing growth. They explore the significance of this news within the broader AI and legal tech industry, discussing whether Robin AI's struggles signal larger issues in the AI market.In this episode: Robin AI's Struggles Personal Connections and Reflections Speculations and Broader Implications Comparing AI Legal Tech

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E30 - Is AI Disrupting ALSPs? Axiom CSO Catherine...

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2025/10/16

In Episode 30 of 'Legally Disrupted,' Zach engages in a thought-provoking discussion with Catherine Kemnitz, Axiom's Chief Strategy Officer. They address a LinkedIn debate on how AI will disrupt both Contract Lifecycle Management (CLM) and Alternative Legal Service Providers (ALSPs). Katherine offers insights from her extensive legal industry experience, including her tenure at Axiom and Thomson Reuters, highlighting major transactions and strategic pivots influenced by technological

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E29 - Why Firms Are Buying Niche AI, Centari Founder...

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2025/10/08

Zach sits down with Centari founder Kevin Walker to unpack the opportunities and obstacles of selling AI to law firms when it isn’t a generalized assistant like ChatGPT or Harvey. Kevin makes the case for why tackling highly specialized problems, such as Deal Intelligence, delivers unique, lasting value to firms.In this episode: Understanding Centari's Vision Unique Market Insights and Adoption Challenges and Opportunities in Legal Tech Building Trust with Law Firms Future of Legal

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E28 - Zach and Richard's Excellent Legal AI...

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2025/09/14

Zach and Richard break down AI-first legal services, ALSPs, and the EUDIA announcement. Asking who really owns legal AI, whether ROI even matters, and how these new firms might rewrite the rules of the industry.In this episode: Non-Lawyer Ownership of Law Firms AI in Transactional Work The Business Model of AI-First Law Firms Measurable ROI in Legal Tech The IKEA Catalog Scenario AI-First Firms vs. Incumbents Market Saturation and Future

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E27 - Zach and Richard's Legal AI Adventure: Big...

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2025/08/19

In this episode of 'Legally Disrupted,' host Zach Abramowitz introduces a new recurring segment called 'Zach and Richard's Legal AI Adventure' with Richard Tromans from Artificial Lawyer. They discuss the rapid evolution in the legal tech sphere, particularly focusing on big deals and announcements from legal AI companies like Harvey and Legora. The duo debates the impact of generative AI productivity platforms on the legal market, the notion of a 'land grab' as firms race to adopt AI, and the

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E26 - Exploring Legal Tech Investments in the...

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2025/08/15

In episode 26 of 'Legally Disrupted,' host Zach Abramowitz brings us a live conversation from the Legal Innovators California Conference in San Francisco. The discussion features Chris Fisher of Myriad Ventures and Jonathan Levy of Y Combinator, two prominent investors in the legal tech space. They delve into the shifts in legal tech investments from the pre-ChatGPT era to the post-ChatGPT world, the impact of AI on legal services, and the emerging talent in the field. The investors also share

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E25 - Are Lawyers Adopting AI? With David Wong and...

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2025/08/09

E25 - Are Lawyers Adopting AI? With David Wong and Raghu RamanathanIn episode 25 of 'Legally Disrupted,' host Zach Abramowitz sits down with David Wong, Chief Product Officer at Thomson Reuters and Ragunath (Raghu) Ramanathan, President of Legal Professionals and Government at Thomson Reuters, to discuss the 2025 Future of Professionals Report. The conversation explores AI's increasing adoption and its impact on the legal industry. In this episode: Discussing the Future of Professionals

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E24 - A Deep Dive into Harvey's Rapid Ascent with...

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2025/07/02

In this episode, Zach interviews Tara Waters, founder of TLW Consulting and former Chief Digital Officer at Ashurst, who led the firm’s rollout of Harvey. They discuss Harvey’s meteoric rise in legal AI, Tara’s firsthand experiences adopting Harvey within a global firm, and how legal teams evaluate AI tools. The conversation explores why lawyers initially gasped at Harvey’s capabilities, how expectations have matured, and what true digital transformation in law might require. Tara emphasizes that

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E23 - Investment Hype vs. Reality in Legal AI, Eli...

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2025/06/10

In this episode, Zach Abramowitz is joined by Eli Amsellem, an investor at Ridge Ventures, to delve into the hot topic of investment in legal AI. They discuss the hype around billion-dollar valuations and the reality behind customer adoption and revenue sustainability. Eli shares insights from his hands-on approach, including talking to actual buyers and hosting GC therapy dinners. They debate the future of legal AI, whether horizontal AI assistants or vertical workflow automation will prevail, and

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49:56

E22 - Is AI For Contract Review Exciting? Preston...

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2025/05/07

In this episode, Zach delves into the evolution and impact of AI on contract management with Preston Clark and Electra Japonas.In this episode: AI and Contracts: A Boring Use Case The Adoption Curve of AI in Legal The Story of Law Insider The Birth of One NDA The Future of AI and Contracting Legacy Product Overview AI Capabilities and New SKU User Growth and Market Excitement Product Distribution and Democratization Customer Focus and Data Utilization CLM Market Insights and

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E21 - ChatGPT vs. Legaltech -- Who Will Win? Lawyer &...

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2025/04/24

This episode of Zach Abramowitz is Legally Disrupted features a conversation with lawyer and technologist Carolyn Elefant about whether legal specific tools and legacy software will be able to keep up with general applications like ChatGPT.In this episode: The Rapid Evolution of AI in Law The Future of AI in Legal Practice Exploring AI Tools for Lawyers Legal Research and AI Integration The Impact of AI on Legal Research The Future of Legaltech and AI Learn More: Carolyn

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E20 - From Legacy ML To Generative AI: Serial...

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2025/03/20

In this episode, Zach and Charlie delve into the rapid advancements in AI, particularly in the legal tech sector. The discussion transitions to the increasing caliber of entrepreneurs in legal tech and the acceleration of innovation in the field. They reflect on the evolution of legal AI from 2015 to 2023, noting the shift from mere ideas to full-blown products. The conversation also explores the potential for AI to reshape traditional legal processes, improve efficiency, and alter the way legal

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E19 - Leya Just Rebranded As Legora: Chris Williams,...

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2025/03/18

In this episode, Zach speaks with Legora's head of strategic partnerships and community, Chris Williams, about the rebranding journey and the strategic role of Legora in the AI-driven legal tech landscape. The discussion covers the responsibilities of his role, the transition from selling no-code, low-code platforms to generative AI, and the significant shift in how AI is transforming legal practices. The episode also explores differences between Legora and other AI tools like Harvey, the challenges

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E18 - Why You Should Come to ILTA EVOLVE This April...

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2025/03/10

Zach, Ken and Josh talk about the upcoming three day conference in Myrtle Beach focusing on AI, Cybersecurity and Data Governance. Attendees will have opportunities to interact with cutting-edge AI companies and products.The event features specific presentations, including those by startup community members, covering practical AI applications in fields like legal finance, pricing, collections, and timekeeping.Register - https://www.iltanet.org/live-events/evolve#speak Follow Along: Josh

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E17 - How AI Has Tech Companies Pivoting with Eleanor...

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2025/02/27

In this episode, Zach interviews Eleanor Lightbody, the CEO of Luminance, about her journey from working at Darktrace to leading Luminance, a legal tech company. Eleanor shares insights from her four years as CEO, highlighting the transformative impact of AI in the legal tech space. They discuss Luminance's growth strategy, the development of their contract lifecycle management tool, and the shift from M&A-specific uses to a broader, more inclusive approach. Eleanor also delves into how

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E16 - How Biglaw Can and Should Partner with Early...

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2025/02/13

In this engaging conversation, Ilona and Evan discuss their roles and experiences in leading innovation within their respective law firms, Cleary Gottlieb and Fisher Phillips. Ilona, the Director of Practice Innovation at Cleary, shares her journey from McKinsey to leading a transformation journey at Cleary. Evan, the Chief Knowledge and Innovation Officer at Fisher Phillips, talks about his shift from labor and employment law into knowledge management and legal technology. The discussion covers

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E15 - Could “AI For Lawyers” Catch on Faster with...

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2025/01/22

Katya Fisher introduces her journey from a practicing attorney to a tech entrepreneur. She shares her experience of building a successful law practice during the Great Recession and how she acquired a unique set of legal skills. Katya talks about the inefficiencies in the legal world that led her to build Aracor.ai, a legal tech product tailored for in-house counsel of investment firms such as venture capital funds, private equity groups, and family offices.Learn More: Aracor -

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