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Out and Back

Jacob Thomson and Rory Linkletter

Rory Linkletter and Jacob Thomson are professional marathoners chasing fast times and big goals on the roads. Training out of Flagstaff, Arizona, they’ve got plenty of stories from the grind of big mileage, the chaos of race travel, the highs and lows of racing on the world stage and the random stuff that happens between workouts. With a passion for storytelling, running culture, and building community, Rory and Jacob bring listeners behind the scenes of the marathon lifestyle. Training talk with a

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01:24:47

#31 - Listener Call In Show, We answer your marathon...

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2026/04/05

This week we have a Listener Call In Show, which is a new take on our mailbag episodes. 6 guest appear to throw us their questions and takes for discussion. Please join our newsletter and check out our YouTube Channels as well. The podcast will also be on YouTube as well as our normal podcast services going forward! Let us know what you think in the comments.Join our newsletter⁠Join our Strava group⁠Follow us:⁠Jacob’s YouTube⁠⁠⁠Rory’s YouTube⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠Rory’s Strava⁠⁠Jacob’s Strava⁠⁠Rory’s

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01:19:14

#30 Ed Eyestone - From being an Olympian to Coaching...

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2026/03/29

Be sure to check out our show notes and sign up for our newsletter if you want the details on our Out & Back Boston Marathon Shakeout Run - we'll have some merch there as well!Today we are joined by the legend Ed Eyestone. Coach Eyestone has seen ever era of running from amateurism to super shoes. We talk about his running career, his transition to coaching, how he coaches the marathon, today's NCAA ever changing landscape, what makes Utah produce such good runners, and we also answer

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01:21:11

#29 Phil Sesemann - London Marathon Training, Linking...

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2026/03/22

In this two-part episode, Rory and Jacob recap the NYC United Airlines Half Marathon, breaking down their race performances, key takeaways, and how it impacts their build toward the Boston Marathon.Then, we’re joined by elite British marathoner and Olympian Dr. Phil Sesemann. Phil has already run 2:07 twice in 2025 and is aiming for a top 10 finish at the London Marathon for the 4th time in his career.In this conversation, we dive into elite marathon training, periodization, race strategy, and what

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01:04:11

#28 Conner Mantz - Lessons from Injury, Boston Build,...

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2026/03/15

Conner’s StravaConner Mantz Shokz DocumentaryJoin our newsletter⁠Join our Strava group⁠Follow us:⁠Rory’s Strava⁠⁠Jacob’s Strava⁠⁠Rory’s Instagram⁠⁠Jacob’s Instagram⁠⁠Rory’s Youtube⁠ Jacob’s Coaching WebsiteSandyBoy ProductionsThank you to ⁠The Marathon Project⁠ for supporting this weeks episode. Use Code "outandback" for an additional $25 off your registration. Prices go up on April 1st! Today we are joined by American Record Holder Conner Mantz. We talk about the lessons he has learned

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01:18:00

#27 Between Reps - Ethan Shuley's Training Deep Dive,...

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2026/03/08

Join our newsletter - We'll send your the PDF.⁠Join our Strava group⁠Follow us:⁠Rory’s Strava⁠⁠Jacob’s Strava⁠⁠Rory’s Instagram⁠⁠Jacob’s Instagram⁠⁠Rory’s Youtube⁠ Jacob’s WebsiteSandyBoy ProductionsThe Marathon Project Discount Code: outandbackCure Hydration: curehydration.com/OUTANDBACK

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00:50:36

#26 Dakotah Popehn - Boston Marathon, Minnesota...

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2026/03/01

Check out our links below!In this episode, pro marathoner Dakotah discusses her training strategies, altitude training in Utah, race tactics for Heart Break Hill, and insights into the Boston Marathon course. She shares practical tips for marathon preparation and the importance of mental resilience in marathon training. We also talk about her coach, Chris Lundstrom, his training philosophy, and what he has been able to do with the MN Distance Elite Team, even without a corporate sponsor

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00:49:46

#25 Jess Tonn McClain - Boston Marathon, Marathon...

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2026/02/22

Today we sit down with Jess Tonn McClain who was the top American at the 2025 Boston Marathon, 8th place at the 2025 World Championships Marathon, 4th place at the 2024 Olympic Trials Marathon. She will be on the start line with Jacob & Rory at the 2026 Boston Marathon as well.We chat about her Boston Marathon specific training, about stepping away from pro running, and then finding her groove in the marathon post covid. She shares how she enjoys life outside of training and keeps professional

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01:03:51

#24 Between Reps - Pacing the AR attempt, Upcoming...

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2026/02/14

If you enjoy this podcast - please give us a follow and leave a review - It helps the show a ton! Check out our links below.In this episode of the Out and Back Podcast, Jacob and Rory discuss their current training experiences, including Jacob's time in Barcelona where he is pacing for an American record attempt, while Rory races the Mesa Half Marathon. They also share insights from their recent podcast with Brady Homer, updates on upcoming races, and the importance of joining Sandy Boy

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01:18:03

#23 Brady Holmer - What really matters when it comes...

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2026/02/08

Check out our links below!We welcomed back our first-ever returning guest, Brady Holmer, for a wide-ranging conversation on performance, recovery, and the details that actually move the needle.We cover everything from Diet Coke and caffeine’s role in performance to what truly matters for sleep and recovery—including optimal sleep routines, practical sleep hygiene tips, and simple adjustments athletes can make right away. Brady breaks down key recovery and readiness metrics like HRV, respiratory

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00:48:25

#22 - Mailbag, Boston Marathon Fields, Training Updates

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2026/02/01

Please give the podcast a follow, a 5 star review, and share with a friend with you enjoyed today's episde. Today Rory and Jacob break down the Boston Marathon elite fields, give an update on their training, and answer some loyal listener questions.⁠Join our Strava group⁠Follow us:⁠Rory’s Strava⁠⁠Jacob’s Strava⁠⁠Rory’s Instagram⁠⁠Jacob’s Instagram⁠⁠Rory’s Youtube⁠ Jacob’s Website

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00:55:30

#21 Eric Floberg - Floberg Runs, Dad Strength,...

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2026/01/25

Eric's InstagramEric's Youtube⁠Join our Strava group⁠Follow us:⁠Rory’s Strava⁠⁠Jacob’s Strava⁠⁠Rory’s Instagram⁠⁠Jacob’s Instagram⁠⁠Rory’s Youtube⁠ Jacob’s WebsiteSummaryIn this episode, Rory Linkletter and Jacob Thomson sit down with Eric Floberg, a unique figure in the running community known for his engaging YouTube content and inspiring journey in the sport. They discuss Eric's late start in running, his experiences with marathons, the intersection of running and business, and the importance of

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00:40:59

#20 Josh Hoey - Indoor 600 World Record, New...

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2026/01/18

In this episode of the Out and Back podcast, host Jacob Thomson and co-host Chris Striegel welcome elite 800-meter runner Josh Hoey. They discuss Josh's recent world record in the 600 meters, his training methods, and the importance of speed endurance. Josh shares insights into his upcoming races, adjustments to his training schedule, and the significance of altitude training in Flagstaff. The conversation also touches on the evolution of racing strategies in the 800 meters, the impact of

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00:42:33

#19 - Canadian Record, Rory runs 59:49 at the Houston...

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2026/01/13

⁠Join our Strava group⁠Follow us:⁠Rory’s Strava⁠⁠Jacob’s Strava⁠⁠Rory’s Instagram⁠⁠Jacob’s Instagram⁠⁠Rory’s Youtube⁠ Jacob’s WebsiteIn this episode of the Out and Back podcast, Rory Linkletter shares his experience of breaking the Canadian half marathon record. He discusses the immediate aftermath of the race, including drug testing and media obligations, and reflects on the race dynamics, training strategies, and the importance of competition. Rory emphasizes the significance of community support

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00:57:01

#18 - Houston Marathon Preview, What's in & What's...

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2026/01/08

⁠Join our Strava group⁠Follow us:⁠Rory’s Strava⁠⁠Jacob’s Strava⁠⁠Rory’s Instagram⁠⁠Jacob’s Instagram⁠⁠Rory’s Youtube⁠ Jacob’s Website

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00:45:05

#17 JP Flavin - Marathon Project Champion, Brooks...

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2026/01/02

⁠Join our Strava group⁠Follow us:⁠Rory’s Strava⁠⁠Jacob’s Strava⁠⁠Rory’s Instagram⁠⁠Jacob’s Instagram⁠⁠Rory’s Youtube⁠ Jacob’s WebsiteWe're kicking off 2026 with a special New Year's Day episode featuring guest host John Gay from the Shakeout Podcast for a conversation with recently crowned The Marathon Project champion JP Flavin, fresh off his win and new lifetime best of 2:09:18. The pros-only event was held in Chandler, Arizona last week.Flavin, a member of the Michigan-based Brooks

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01:09:53

#16 Between Reps with Chris - Training Updates, most...

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2025/12/21

Join Jacob, Rory, and Chris as they dive into a good ole banter style episode that feels like a run with friends. From debating the most overrated running trends to sharing outrageous hot takes, this episode is packed with laughs and unexpected insights. Don't miss out on the fun—tune in and let us know if you agree with our spicy opinions! ⁠Join our Strava group⁠Follow us:⁠Rory’s Strava⁠⁠Jacob’s Strava⁠⁠Rory’s Instagram⁠⁠Jacob’s Instagram⁠⁠Rory’s Youtube⁠ Jacob’s Website

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00:43:56

#15 Joe Whelan - 6 marathons in 1 year, 2:09 at CIM

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2025/12/14

⁠Join our Strava group⁠Follow us:⁠Rory’s Strava⁠⁠Jacob’s Strava⁠⁠Rory’s Instagram⁠⁠Jacob’s Instagram⁠⁠Rory’s Youtube⁠ Jacob’s Website

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00:57:46

#14 Johannes Motschmann - 140 mile weeks, 2:10...

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2025/12/09

Please hit the follow and subscribe button and leave us a rating!⁠Join our Strava group⁠Follow us:⁠Rory’s Strava⁠⁠Jacob’s Strava⁠⁠Rory’s Instagram⁠⁠Jacob’s Instagram⁠⁠Rory’s Youtube⁠ Jacob’s Website

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00:33:39

#13 - CIM & US Champs Preview, Taper Time, Key...

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2025/12/01

If you enjoyed this episode - please give us a review and follow!Today we discuss the upcoming California International Marathon (CIM), which is also the USATF Marathon Championships. Go through Jacob's build up, race strategy, and expectations for the competition. We delve into tapering, carb loading, and fueling strategies. We also talk about the rest of the competitive field at CIM. The conversation highlights the excitement surrounding marathon racing and the camaraderie among athletes as

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00:46:27

#12 Mica Rivera Wood - Building Instagram and Youtube...

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2025/11/23

If you enjoyed this episode, please give us a follow and share it with a friend!Mica Rivera Wood discusses balancing being a creator and an elite runner, her decision to transition from track to marathon running. She reflects on her initial fears and the excitement she feels about taking on this new challenge. Mica shares her thoughts on her potential in both track and marathon running, emphasizing the joy of embracing new experiences in her athletic journey.The Woodsrun InstagramMica's

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