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More Than A Test

Jennie Tookoian

Our goal is to take a hard look at the shortcomings in literacy education and tech while still finding a sense of hope in what"s possible in education through learning and technology. Our guests include non-profit leaders, tech CEOs, state and district leadership, research leaders from top institutions, and a few teachers with stories that might bring you to tears. Hosted by Laura Glaab, VP of Strategy at Amira Learning. She is a lifetime educator following behind educator parents, grandparents,

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48:12

Fostering Belonging and Inclusion at Alamo Heights...

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2025/04/17

In this episode, host Jennie Tookoian engages in a rich conversation with Dr. Dana Bashara, the superintendent of the Alamo Heights Independent School District in Central San Antonio. Dr. Bashara embodies the belief that education is a heartfelt mission beyond just a career path, infusing her leadership with purpose and personal engagement.Alamo Heights stands out for its historical roots dating back to 1909 and its strong sense of community, serving 4,800 students across five campuses

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52:57

Redefining Education: Doctor Micah Studer's Vision...

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2025/03/27

Welcome to another episode of "More Than a Test." In this episode, we're excited to have Dr. Micah Studer, executive director of Visions in Education Charter School, share insights into how the school is transforming the educational landscape in California. Visions, an online and homeschool program, serves a wide and diverse student body, focusing on personalized learning and community engagement. Dr. Studer discusses the school's innovative strategies that prioritize strong relationships

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51:30

Exploring Galveston ISD's Unique Initiatives with...

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2025/03/20

In this episode of "More Than a Test," host Jennie Tookoian sits down with Dr. Matthew Neighbors, the superintendent of Galveston Independent School District (GISD). With nearly two decades of experience in the district, Dr. Neighbors shares his personal journey, discussing the unique qualities of the Galveston community and the exciting educational initiatives under his leadership. The conversation delves into how GISD is embracing AI-powered learning tools, expanding academic

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51:56

The Evolution and Impact of Career Tech Education at...

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2025/03/13

In this episode of More Than a Test, host Jennie Tookoian welcomes Michelle Patrick, the superintendent of Springfield Clark Career Technology Center in Ohio, to discuss the transformative impact of Career and Technology Education (CTE) on students and communities. As February is Career Technical Education Month, Michelle shares the unique offerings and successes of her institution, which serves the students of Clark County by providing real-world skills and pathways to high-demand careers

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48:04

Leading a Rural School District: Challenges and...

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2025/03/06

In this episode of More Than a Test, host Jennie Tookoian converses with Devvon Dettra, the dynamic superintendent of Rolling Hills Local School District in Ohio. Devvon, a Meadowbrook High School alumnus, offers a unique perspective in tackling the distinct challenges and opportunities within small rural school districts. The discussion highlights how Rolling Hills is revolutionizing education through innovative measures such as consolidating into a single, cutting-edge building, promoting

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54:49

Bringing Generations Together: The Secret Behind Blue...

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2024/10/24

“Seeing children as whole individuals goes far beyond standardized tests.”Mandy Fletcher, Superintendent shares her journey with Blue Earth Area Public Schools. Since 2019, she has faced financial crises, including a failed levy and budget cuts, while implementing innovative changes.Mandy highlights the introduction of a health science academy connecting students with local healthcare facilities and emphasizes community input, the READ Act's impact on literacy, and support for the growing Hispanic

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52:03

Creating Lifelong Learning: Dr. David Lawrence’s...

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2024/10/17

“Education is about more than just tests—it's about heart, perseverance, and community.”Dr. David Lawrence, superintendent of Dayton Public School, reflects on his extensive journey in education, from teaching and coaching to leading as a principal. He shares school leadership's emotional and physical demands and his dedication to teacher retention through competitive pay and support systems.As Dayton’s first locally-born superintendent, Dr. Lawrence has a deep personal connection to the community

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51:11

Dr. Alex Marrero’s Vision: Making Education Fair for...

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2024/10/10

“Education is the foundation for equity, and every student deserves the opportunity to thrive.”Dr. Alex Marrero, Superintendent of Denver Public Schools, brings extensive experience in proactive leadership and community engagement. In this episode of "More Than A Test", he discusses the challenges and successes in transforming education in Colorado’s largest district. He shares his initiatives, such as forming a task force for local educational issues and establishing Community Hubs to support

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48:36

Building a Better Tomorrow: Dana Addis on Emotional...

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2024/10/03

“Education is not just about tests and grades; it's about building meaningful connections and nurturing growth”Dana Addis, superintendent of Hudson City Schools talks about the impact of the Service Learning Program, the challenges of the teacher hiring process, and innovative projects like "Helping Hands."He discusses the district's obstacles, the crucial role of safety, and the importance of community and business partnerships.Dana shares his journey from teacher and coach to superintendent, his

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43:46

Enhancing Education with Patience and Data-Driven...

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2024/09/26

“Ultimately, we don't want a society of people who are mediocre with all their flaws. We want people who are amazing at science.”Ryan Baker, an expert in AI and education, for a conversation that challenges perceptions and sparks personal growth. Ryan shares his method of spending 30 minutes daily learning something outside of his work, an approach that has inspired Laura. Together, they explore how AI is reshaping the classroom, providing immediate feedback for students and enhancing learning

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43:01

Dr. Shawn Bird’s Mission: Fighting for Equity in San...

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2024/09/19

“It's just more expensive to raise children, and so people move out to the suburbs”Dr. Shawn Bird, Deputy Superintendent of San Antonio Schools, discusses significant changes in the district, including the recent closure of 14 elementary schools and the efforts to serve over 45,000 students across more than 100 schools. Dr. Bird addresses the community's reaction to these closures, the strategic decisions behind them, and innovative solutions like improved mental health support and special education

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50:54

Jeremy Roschelle Reveals: How to Balance AI...

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2024/09/12

“Educating teachers, parents, and students about AI is paramount for the future of education.”Jeremy Roschelle is a renowned expert in AI and education with extensive experience in promoting AI literacy. Jeremy has conducted groundbreaking research on AI applications in educational settings and is known for his insights into the integration of AI tools in schools.In this episode, he shares his expertise on the importance of AI education, the challenges of implementing AI in classrooms, and how to

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53:11

Revolutionizing Schools: Erin Mote’s Vision for...

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2024/09/05

“Interoperability in education is as crucial as hot water pipes in a building's infrastructure—the system needs to function seamlessly.“In today’s episode, Erin Mote, co-founder of Brooklyn Lab and a leader at InnovateEDU, dives into the transformative power of connecting organizations with school districts. She sheds light on the pivotal role of interoperability, privacy, and accessibility in EdTech.Erin recounts her experiences, from supporting military families to advancing special education, and

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45:56

Future of Education: AI, Innovation, and Community...

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2024/08/15

In this episode, Jerry Almendarez, the dynamic Superintendent of the Santa Ana School District, shares his visionary insights on transforming education through innovation and community engagement.Jerry recounts how social media platforms like TikTok introduced him to emerging technologies such as OpenAI and ChatGPT, emphasizing the urgent need for public education to adapt to these innovations swiftly. He discusses the value of piloting AI platforms to enhance educational experiences and combat the

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57:56

Balancing AI and Human Touch in Education with Thomas...

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2024/07/25

In this episode, Laura Glaab and Thomas C. Murray dive deep into the intersection of AI and education. Listen in as Thomas shares his personal story of using a chat GPT to analyze his MRI results and discusses the implications of relying on AI for medical and educational purposes. They touch on the balance needed between technology and human connection, emphasizing the irreplaceable role of teachers and the importance of personalized, thoughtful engagement in the classroom.From his career journey in

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48:08

The Journey of Addison Davis From Hillsborough...

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2024/07/18

Today, we have the pleasure of hosting an episode of "More Than a Test with Addison Davis," we dive deep into the world of education leadership with our esteemed guest, Addison Davis. Known for his remarkable journey as a superintendent in Hillsborough County, Addison's story is one of resilience, innovation, and unwavering dedication to improving education for all.Addison shares his experiences transforming Hillsborough's school district, balancing professional responsibilities with family life,

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56:00

Transforming Public Schools: Don Haddad and Jackie...

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2024/06/28

In today's episode, we are honored to have, Don Haddad and Jackie Kapushion, leaders in the St. Vrain Valley School District. We'll explore how high schools can prepare students for diverse post-graduation pathways, from college to vocational fields and the military. Our guests will also address the importance of learning durable skills beyond standardized tests, along with the challenges posed by reduced classroom time and four-day school weeks.Don and Jackie share their concerns about the

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52:30

Dr. Josha Talison: Educational Leadership Rooted in...

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2024/06/21

In today's episode, we are thrilled to have Dr. Josha Talison, the superintendent of Ecorse, Michigan, join us. Dr. Talison shares how his unwavering faith has guided his career, emphasizing that true leadership is about earning respect and loyalty. We'll explore the unique challenges of working in an inner-city school district with limited resources and how Dr. Talison leverages creativity and community support to provide exceptional educational opportunities for his students.From navigating the

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51:32

The Future of Education: Personal Passion and Mastery...

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2024/06/13

In this episode, our host Laura Glaab sits down with Michael Horn, an educational enthusiast and expert known for his groundbreaking work in reimagining schools. Michael shares his personal mission to create a world where individuals can pursue their passions, fulfill their potential, and live a life of purpose.From discussing the influence of his experiences and collaborators, like Clay Christensen, to advocating for individualized learning plans and mastery-based education, Michael offers deep

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53:01

Transforming Education: AI Tools and Social Impact...

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2024/06/06

Welcome to another episode of MTAT! Today, we have the pleasure of hosting Mary Jo Madda, a program lead for Education for Social Impact at Google. In this episode, Mary Jo delves into her work with high school students in programs like Code Next, which aims to break down barriers and provide access to quality computer science education for underrepresented communities. We'll explore the intersections of AI and education, discuss the importance of diverse voices in technology development, and get

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