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beyond ArtLess

Chris Gleason, Peter Haberman & Phil Ostrander

“Beyond ArtLess" with Chris Gleason, Peter Haberman & Phil Ostrander is a podcast that explores the friendships and the community that exists in and outside of the arts and arts education. In each episode of Beyond ArtLess, one of the hosts reveals his mystery guest to the other two. What comes next is a fun-filled conversation revealing the joy of friendship and the artlessness of the hosts. Unlike most successful classrooms, this show is not well planned and probably not worth your time.

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61:31

Allison Mottaz

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2025/11/01

Send us a text This week on Beyond Artless, we welcome the dynamic and delightfully down-to-earth Alli Mottaz, an instrumental music educator, percussionist, and all-around creative powerhouse from Waconia, Minnesota. Alli shares her journey from dreaming of playing for the WNBA to becoming an award-winning band director (with a soft spot for the Jonas Brothers and crocheting on the side). Now in her ninth year of teaching, Alli opens up about the realities of music education — the laughter, ...

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50:37

William Owens

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2025/10/25

Send us a text With over 300 compositions to his credit, Willie Owens is a common name in music education. We sit down with Willie to chat about his 30 years of teaching band in Texas, his approach to honor bands, influential mentors, his recent honorary doctorate from VanderCook, presidential history, and corvettes. Peter brought not one but two beverages, Phil looked confused, and Chris continued to struggle with creating complete sentences. Thank goodness for Eric Songer and his students f...

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58:59

Dean Sorenson

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2025/10/18

Send us a text Commuter – nearly every one of you has either conducted or played a chart written by the great Dean Sorenson. We get a chance to chat with Dean about subpar bus driving, almost missing a gig with Rosemary Clooney (George’s mom) and more. Phil was prepared (but you would never know it), Chris sets the bar low with his first question and Peter develops his jazz hands skill set. Specialist/coach Tim Gleason offers pointed critique of hosts and praise for the gues...

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63:53

Jennifer Rogholt

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2025/10/11

Send us a text In this heartfelt episode of Beyond Artless, we shine a spotlight on Jennifer Rogholt — a dedicated band mom whose tireless support and advocacy for music education has made a lasting impact on students, directors, and entire school communities. Jennifer shares her perspective on what it means to be a parent, volunteer, and champion for the arts. From late-night band trips to organizing fundraisers, she reflects on the joy, challenges, and profound rewards of supporting young m...

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58:00

John McCallister

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2025/10/04

Send us a text We all know John McCallister for the incredible free resources he shares on his website—but there’s so much more to this remarkable human. Join us for an enlightening and joyful conversation with John, whose heart is even bigger than the treasure trove of materials he offers online. John McCallister AMAZING Website: https://www.johnmcallistermusic.com/ Watch: The Last Repair Shop https://www.imdb.com/title/tt29118186/ Herb Alpert Donation Story https://abc7.com/post/music-l...

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59:50

Reid Wixson

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2025/09/27

Send us a text In mid-season stride, our guest Reid Wixson shares with us on arts advocacy, affording opportunities to all students and Mumbai, India. Peter shares chewing ice cubes, Chris still distracted by the Packer game and Phil continues his quest for an articulate question (or really any coherent question). See if you can guess Paul Kile's Band Buzzler! Don’t forget - Beyond Artless LIVE at the WMEA conference. Thursday, October 30 at 2:45 PM, Monona Terrace Bal...

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Jason Caslor

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2025/09/20

Send us a text In this episode of Beyond Artless, we welcome Jason Caslor, conductor, educator, and Director of Bands at Arizona State University. Known for his innovative programming and collaborative spirit, Jason brings a unique perspective to the world of wind band conducting and music-making. Jason opens up about the art of leading ensembles, the importance of creating meaningful musical experiences, and how conductors can foster creativity, trust, and connection within a group. He also ...

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60:31

Bob Habersat

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2025/09/13

Send us a text What happens when a music teacher decides to meet students where they are and to develop new ways to engage all learners through music? You get Bob Habersat, owner and author of Shed The Music, who is part teacher, part tech wizard, and potentially a hand model. In this episode, Bob dives into: His relentless drive to find new ways to support and connect with his studentsHis amazing suite of videos and curricula available on his website: Shedthemusic.netHow technology can rescu...

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58:47

Lauren Buss

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2025/09/06

Send us a text This day is a long time coming. After one year teaching, our guest Lauren Buss speaks more intelligently and inspirationally than our hosts combined. Lauren enlightens us on how to play a piano with a sledgehammer, the fine art of crochet and the puzzle of “jeans on” hot-tubbing. Peter, Phil and Chris are blessedly quiet in this episode that introduces all of us to a fabulous first year band director. Tim Gleason attempts to clearly define his role as “c...

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64:04

Russell Peterson

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2025/08/30

Send us a text In this episode of Beyond Artless, Peter brings us the extraordinary saxophonist, composer, and educator Russell Peterson, professor of saxophone, bassoon, and jazz at Concordia College in Moorhead, Minnesota. Russell shares his journey as a multifaceted musician—spanning classical, jazz, and contemporary performance—while offering insights into the art of balancing tradition with innovation. From the practice room to the stage, he reflects on the challenges and joys of being a...

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Season 4 Teaser

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2025/08/23

Send us a text Season 1 - "Hope" Season 2 - "Return of the Jackasses" Season 3 - "The FCC Strikes Back" Season 4 - "Still Unfunded, Still Unfunny" - Episode one drops Saturday, Aug 30. Support the show

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54:08

Dr. Tim Lautzenheiser

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2025/05/31

Send us a text You've heard the phrase, "needs no introduction." Well, our final guest of Season 3 truly fits the bill—Dr. Tim Lautzenheiser joins us for an inspiring conversation about leading through turbulent times, serving others, and making the most of every moment. If you’re only tuning in for one episode this season (and we know that’s a real possibility), this is the one to catch. Thank you, commuters, for an incredible season. We’ll see you in the fall! Recording Credits "Tock" - JaR...

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67:05

Matt Pivec

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2025/05/24

Send us a text What happens when you get three Gleasons who play tuba in the same ArtLess episode? Chaos. Pure, brass-fueled chaos. Fortunately, we’re joined by the ever-talented Matt Pivec, who brings not only his impressive musical accomplishments but also a touchdown story you truly have to hear to believe. Matt shares insights on balancing multiple interests, pushing back against the pressure to specialize too early, and how improvisation in education goes far beyond jazz solos. The conv...

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53:13

John Lynch

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2025/05/18

Send us a text Show Notes: A week late, you say? So is our comedic and musical timing. You know who does have great timing? Dr. John Lynch, Director of Bands at UW-Stevens Point. It was a real treat to hear about his musical journey—one that’s taken him all around the globe (literally). In this episode, Dr. Lynch shares his perspective on cultural differences between Australia and the U.S., the importance of repertoire choices, the pursuit of quality in music, and the irreplaceable value of l...

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56:55

Fran Kick

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2025/05/11

Send us a text There are leaders and there are followers. Thankfully, Fran Kick joins us this week to lead us through a delightful conversation. Granted, Peter, Phil and Chris DO get lost multiple times but Fran gracefully get us back on track. Check out Fran's amazing videos, resources, and books including the "Have to, Get to, Want to" video and article in the show notes! Show Notes: Learn more about Fran here: https://www.kickitin.com/ Have to, Get to, Want to [YouTube video] https://y...

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12:36

Our Biggest Interview Fail - Sorry Owen! By The Way...

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2025/05/03

Send us a text We saved the best for last. Enjoy our final interview from our Midwest 2024 booth. This interview features our good friend Owen. Where is he from? Don't know. What does he do? Not sure? What does he look like? Don't have a picture. Was he fun to interview? YES - in fact, he was amazing! Too bad you won't get to hear it. We know we continue to meet, and perhaps, surpass your expectations each and every week. You can look forward to five more episodes this season. Who knows...

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74:33

Midwest 2024 Compilation 2

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2025/04/26

Send us a text This Beyond ArtLess Short was captured during our live recording sessions at the 2024 Midwest Clinic. A heartfelt thank you to Eric Songer and John Stewart for stepping in as guest hosts for several episodes. We’re especially grateful to everyone who willingly stopped by to participate in an interview—and to those who accidentally wandered down the wrong aisle and found themselves part of the action, our sincere apologies! Want to find out more about the Beyond The Notes Festi...

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61:03

Michael Markowski

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2025/04/19

Send us a text Phil asked one truly insightful question—alongside a few not-so-great ones—but we’re incredibly proud of how much he’s grown. Peter made an impressive comeback in PPTD, while Chris continues to meet challenges head-on (bless his heart). This week’s guest is the complete opposite of your usual hosts—thoughtful, intelligent, kind, and wildly creative. What a joy it was to chat with Michael Markowski about his music, his mentorship, and the magic behind his creative process. ...

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Laura Dunbar

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2025/04/13

Send us a text Maybe Chris should learn how to take notes. Maybe Peter should learn how to arrange travel for guests. Maybe Phil should learn how to interview. Our guest Dr. Laura Dunbar can do all of these things better than our hosts and is also a world class educator! Dr. Dunbar is head of music education studies at UW Eau Claire and also coordinates the Chippewa Valley Youth Choirs and directs the Very Young Composers of the Chippewa Valley Workshop. Listen o...

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Omar Thomas

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2025/04/06

Send us a text It’s hard to mess up a podcast when you have a guest like Omar Thomas. In this episode, we talk with Omar about his incredibly busy and creative schedule, the release of his new album Griot Songs, and the behind-the-scenes process of recording it with the Omar Thomas Large Ensemble. Omar reflects on his compositional approach, the art of crossing genres, and the importance of teaching and fostering artistic growth in students. He also shares insights into his latest commissione...

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