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Around the Circle | An Enneagram Channel

Jeff Cook and T.J. Wilson

The Enneagram is a map of the human personality. It’s a tool for navigating relationships. It creates language for what motivates us and helps us look at the way we look at everything else. Most importantly the enneagram is a mirror; because sometimes you need help seeing yourself.

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01:54:08

Processing Center | Enneagram 6s

Around the Circle | An Enneagram Channel ·

2026/04/16

Connect with us and comment : HEREFInd Joey Schewee's book : HERE__What does it really mean for a Six to seek security?In this episode, Jeff and Katie explore the inner world of Enneagram Sixes—how they navigate uncertainty, why they turn to relationships for clarity, and what’s really happening beneath their questions, intensity, and need for truth. Using Joey Schewee’s idea of the “processing center,” they trace how Sixes move out of their thinking center into the relational space, gathering

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34:19

A Scientist and a Philosopher | An Enneagram Discussion

Around the Circle | An Enneagram Channel ·

2026/04/15

Jeff and Dr. Sam E. Greenberg take a thoughtful look at the Enneagram’s place between philosophy and psychology, exploring skepticism, meaning, and what it really means for something to be “true.” Their conversation moves through questions of evidence, face validity, and the tension between data-driven frameworks and the lived reality of transformation.Connect with Sam's fantastic work : HERE

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01:02:44

Roots | Enneagram 1 & 2 * Skylar & Jennifer

Around the Circle | An Enneagram Channel ·

2026/04/14

Connect with Around the Circle : HEREFollow Katie's work : HEREThis episode of Early Access: Roots explores the evolving relationship between a mother and daughter through the lens of the Enneagram. Katie Whitlock sits down with Jennifer (Type Two) and her daughter Skylar (Type One) to unpack how personality, parenting, and personal growth intersect over time. They talk about family dynamics, anxiety, identity, and the challenges of loving someone well when their needs differ from your own

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02:00:28

"The Morning Show" | Our Fixations

Around the Circle | An Enneagram Channel ·

2026/04/13

This episode of The Morning Show explores "the fixation"—those oft repeated mental patterns that feel like solutions but quietly limit our freedom. The conversation moves from defining fixation as an “unhealthy preoccupation” into a deeper examination of how each Enneagram type gets mentally stuck. We spend time with all nine types highlighting how each fixation both protects and constrains. This is a conversation about reclaiming choice, restoring balance across the centers, and stepping out of the

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59:16

"Scientific Enneagram" | Dead Dads and Grief (A Bonus...

Around the Circle | An Enneagram Channel ·

2026/04/12

Danielle returns to the Scientific Enneagram podcast to share the story behind her unexpected absence—her father’s sudden transition to hospice the very day the podcast launched, and his passing shortly after.Joined by Melissa Kircher, the conversation moves through grief as it actually unfolds: nonlinear, unpredictable, and often impossible to name. Together, they explore how loss interacts with personality—especially through the lens of the Enneagram—touching on anger, emotional processing,

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29:50

The Reading Room | Chapter Three : "Personality and...

Around the Circle | An Enneagram Channel ·

2026/04/11

Join us for this advanced discussion of the Enneagram and the science behind it.Sign up for a $20 Membership : HEREThen click here for links and all the details: HEREIn this episode, we continue our deep dive into Personality and Wholeness in Therapy by Daniel J. Siegel, exploring Chapter 3 and one of the most ambitious questions in Enneagram work: How do the nine types actually form? Drawing from neuroscience and developmental theory, this conversation moves beyond philosophy and into the

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01:18:38

Processing Centers | Twos and Fours

Around the Circle | An Enneagram Channel ·

2026/04/09

Connect with all our work : HEREThis episode of Rewired continues a deep dive into the Enneagram’s processing centers, turning toward those who process with feeling—Twos and Fours. Using Joey Schewee's NEW BOOK as a springboard, Jeff and Katie wrestle with how Twos and fours meet their needs and overcome their underlying feeling.Through Twos, the discussion becomes concrete. Feeling processing shows up as a drive to cultivate connection, often at the expense of productivity or self-reflection. The

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01:50:27

Enneagram Workshop | 4s & 5s

Around the Circle | An Enneagram Channel ·

2026/04/08

Sign up for our April 11 Workshop : HEREThis is a recording of our Second Saturday Workshop from March.Our next Second Saturday workshop is April 11, where we’ll be focusing on Sixes and Sevens. You can find all the details and sign up at AroundtheCircle.org.___We moved into the inner world of Enneagram Fours and Fives, exploring what each type fears, avoids, and protects. For Fours, the conversation centers on the fear of insignificance, the pull of envy, and the deep longing to be seen and

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01:01:24

Roots | Enneagram 3 & 1 : Jen & Olivia

Around the Circle | An Enneagram Channel ·

2026/04/07

Join us a Member : HEREIn this first Early Access family episode, Katie Whitlock sits down with a mother–daughter pair to explore how the Enneagram plays out inside real relationships.Jen (Enneagram 3) and Olivia (Enneagram 1) bring both depth and honesty as they reflect on their shared history—shaped by achievement, responsibility, and a deep desire to “do things right.” From childhood dynamics and sibling comparisons to adult friendship and mutual respect, this conversation traces how their

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59:21

"The Morning Show" | The Enneagram and Vulnerability

Around the Circle | An Enneagram Channel ·

2026/04/06

Connect with us : HEREIn this Morning Show conversation, we dive into one of the most uncomfortable—but essential—parts of growth: exposure and vulnerability. From the “Enneagram of Avoidances” to the deeper question of what each type refuses to face, this episode explores how avoidance shapes our patterns … and how facing it might be the exact path to what we actually want.We unpack:The core avoidance for each Enneagram typeWhy growth requires contacting what we resistThe tension between healing

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28:09

The Reading Room | Chapter Two : "Personality and...

Around the Circle | An Enneagram Channel ·

2026/04/04

Sign up for our Around the Circle Membership : HEREThis week in the Reading Room, we continue our journey through Personality and Wholeness in Therapy with a deep dive into Chapter Two. This chapter introduces the PDP framework—a fresh attempt to reinterpret the Enneagram through developmental pathways, neuroscience, and narrative data. Along the way, we wrestle with big questions: What actually counts as evidence? How much of personality is fixed? And what role does inner experience play in shaping

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01:32:45

Processing Centers | Threes and Ones

Around the Circle | An Enneagram Channel ·

2026/04/02

In this installment on the Enneagram’s processing centers, Jeff Cook and Katie Whitlock engage When Working Together Doesn’t Work by Joey Schewee, focusing on the doing center through Types One and Three.The conversation explores how these types assess life through action—how progress, productivity, and accomplishment become the primary lens for determining whether things are working.For Ones and Threes, doing is not secondary; it is the ground of evaluation, the place where identity and meaning

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01:02:10

KJ Ramsey | Joy and Pain

Around the Circle | An Enneagram Channel ·

2026/04/01

What can joy survive?In this conversation, Jeff Cook sits down with licensed trauma therapist and author KJ Ramsey to explore the surprising relationship between pain, joy, identity, and healing.Drawing from her upcoming memoir The Place Between Our Pain, KJ shares how chronic illness, trauma, and the limits of control reshape our understanding of time, self, and what it means to be held. Together, Jeff and KJ examine the tension between despair and hope, the role of the Enneagram in personal

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50:53

"Early Access" | Enneagram 9 | Blake in Utah

Around the Circle | An Enneagram Channel ·

2026/03/31

What does it feel like to move through life believing your presence doesn’t quite matter?In this episode of Early Access, Katie Whitlock talks with Blake Walker, an Enneagram Nine, about the quiet patterns that shape her life—from avoiding conflict to merging with others’ goals, to the slow realization that her own voice matters.Blake reflects on marriage, motherhood, and building a life that at times felt more aligned with others than herself. Along the way, they explore the Nine’s relationship to

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01:09:37

"Inside Story" | Season One Wrap w. Jeff Cook

Around the Circle | An Enneagram Channel ·

2026/03/30

As we close out Season One of Inside Story, Kristin Messegee and Jeff Cook reflect on what they’ve learned—and where the Enneagram needs to go next.This conversation moves beyond theory into practice. What actually changes us? Why do we avoid our core emotions—anger, shame, and fear—and what does it take to face them? Across the triads, patterns emerge: image types struggle to access shame, body types resist seeing their impact, and head types find subtle ways to avoid anxiety altogether.

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44:34

The Reading Room | Chapter One : "Personality and...

Around the Circle | An Enneagram Channel ·

2026/03/29

We’rebackforPartTwoofourdeepdiveintoPersonalityandWholenessinTherapy—andthistime,westepintoChapterOne.Inthisepisode,weexplorethreecoreideasshapingDr.Siegel'smodel.Wetracehowearlytemperamentformsakindoffilter,howneuralpathwaysreinforceourpatternsovertime,andwhygrowthislessaboutchangingyourtypeandmoreaboutlooseningitsgrip.WealsoexamineSiegel’sintegrationmodel—onethatcallsusnotintoadifferenttype,butintobalanceacrossthecenters.WearegatheringonTuesdaystodiscuss.Thesignupis:HERE

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01:00:49

"Rewired" | Processing Centers and Eights

Around the Circle | An Enneagram Channel ·

2026/03/26

Explore more of Around the Circle, join live discussions, and access exclusive content: HERE___________We’re back in —and diving deeper into Joey Stabile’s Working Together Doesn’t Work, focusing on the Processing Center and what it reveals about how different types move through the world. In this episode, we begin a discussion on Eights, Threes, and Ones—the “doing processors.” What does it mean to process through action? What gets gained—and what gets left behind—when execution becomes the primary

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"Early Access" | Enneagram 9 | Luke in North Carolina

Around the Circle | An Enneagram Channel ·

2026/03/24

The beginning of the end! In this episode, Katie talks with Luke, a pastry chef turned mental health counselor.We talk about several differences between 3 and 9, and spend a lot of time diving into what it means for a 9 to "wake up" and start chasing after their own life.Luke has an incredible knack for explaining difficult concepts, so this is a good one to listen to if you want to understand the 9s in your life.

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01:06:13

The Morning Show | What We Talk About When We Talk...

Around the Circle | An Enneagram Channel ·

2026/03/23

What are we really talking about when we talk about the Enneagram?In this Morning Show conversation, we move past surface-level typing and into something deeper—transformation, self-awareness, and the courage to face what’s actually being exposed in us.We explore:Why the Enneagram is more than insight—it’s a tool for real-time self-awarenessThe difference between knowing your patterns and interrupting themHow unconscious motivations shape our lives (and how to bring them into the light)Why “what do

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01:41:05

"Rewired" | An Introduction to Processing Centers

Around the Circle | An Enneagram Channel ·

2026/03/19

In this episode, we dive into Joey Schewee’s new book "When Working together Doesn't Work" -- Which you can buy: HERE.We introduce a framework reshaping how we are understand the Enneagram. What begins as a familiar observation—types orienting around accomplishment, connection, or ease—becomes something far more grounded as we explore the underlying mechanism that produces these patterns.Rather than stopping at outcomes, Joey’s work traces how each type processes experience from the inside out,

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