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Move Smartly: The Podcast

The Move Smartly podcast invites you into data-driven conversations about issues impacting residential real estate in Toronto, across Canada and beyond. Join editor and host Urmi Desai, analyst and broker John Pasalis and other experts as we unpack real estate through a variety of timely market updates, lively discussions and insightful interviews. Here to help you make more informed decisions, whether you are a home buyer, seller, owner or renter, and as a resident and voter — because real estate

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57:52

Why Home Prices Keep Falling — And How Today's Buyers...

Move Smartly: The Podcast ·

2025/11/14

In this month's Move Smartly Live Market Update, John Pasalis breaks down the latest housing trends and what's really driving today's price declines across the GTA. John walks through the three key forces pushing prices lower and how buyers are responding—becoming far more opportunistic, lowballing aggressively, and hunting for value in a cooling market. John is joined by mortgage broker David Larock, who shares the latest economic indicators influencing borrowing costs, what's happening behind the

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49:47

Falling Home Prices, Rate Cuts & a Landmark Land...

Move Smartly: The Podcast ·

2025/11/07

John Pasalis, Steve Saretsky, and Ben Rabidoux of Edge Realty Analytics discuss the latest trends in Toronto and Vancouver's housing markets as prices continue to fall. They also explore the Bank of Canada's recent rate cut and what it signals for the path ahead for the economy, whether rising housing starts are good news for home buyers, and the implications of the Cowichan land claim decision in Richmond, B.C. Listeners can get a 30% discount on Ben's monthly subscription to Edge Realty Analytics

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37:24

Tenants, Turnover, and Tough Choices: Real Questions...

Move Smartly: The Podcast ·

2025/10/31

In this episode, John tackles three real questions from listeners dealing with the challenges of Ontario's housing market. First, a landlord planning to sell a tenanted property asks whether it's possible — and smart — to get an N11 signed before listing to avoid losing a deal if the tenant refuses later. John breaks down what landlords need to know about the N11 process and the risks of getting too far ahead of a sale. Next, a condo buyer wonders if it's really an advantage to deal directly with

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38:41

Is the Dream of Homeownership in Canada Slipping...

Move Smartly: The Podcast ·

2025/10/24

In this episode of the Move Smartly Podcast, I sit down with Ron Butler, veteran mortgage broker and host of the Angry Mortgage Podcast, for a frank discussion about the future of housing in Canada. We talk about whether the dream of homeownership is slipping out of reach and if we’re moving toward a permanent renters society. Ron shares his thoughts on what it would actually take to get more Canadians into homes again — and whether there’s any realistic path forward given today’s economic and

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53:42

Power of Sales Up, Home Prices Down - October...

Move Smartly: The Podcast ·

2025/10/17

John Pasalis presents his latest data and top stories on Toronto area real estate in conversation with fellow agent Davin McMahon and our Move Smartly mortgage expert, David Larock - and you, our viewers, who join the discussion in our live chat!! This week, John and his team discuss the rise in Power of Sale listings and how Buyers Are Slowly Coming Back - But They’re Still Cautious! Dave Larock, our mortgage expert, explains how rate cuts by the US Fed might lead to higher rates in Canada. As

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48:36

Surging Power of Sales, Condo Crash Déjà Vu &...

Move Smartly: The Podcast ·

2025/10/10

John Pasalis and Steve Saretsky join host Urmi Desai to discuss the sharp rise in Power of Sales, whether today’s condo market is repeating the 1990s crash, and if the federal Liberals’ Build Canada Homes plan is bold policy or political theatre. This episode also marks Urmi’s final show as she moves on to a new role at the Textile Museum of Canada. Contact Us Follow Steve on X-Twitter @SteveSaretsky; Email at: steve@stevesaretsky.com Follow John on X-Twitter @JohnPasalis; Email

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36:22

What Toronto Can Learn from Edmonton’s Multiplex...

Move Smartly: The Podcast ·

2025/10/03

In this episode, John speaks with Jacob Dawang from the housing advocacy group Grow Together to unpack how Edmonton became one of Canada’s leaders in zoning reform. They discuss when and how 8-plexes were legalized, what the municipal rules and lot requirements look like, and how Edmonton’s multiplexes differ from those being built in Toronto — often resembling four townhomes with basement suites rather than stacked apartments. Jacob also shares insights into the early results of the policy, the

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34:16

Why Isn’t My Condo Selling? + Should You Buy a Home...

Move Smartly: The Podcast ·

2025/09/26

It’s time for our monthly ‘The Situation’ consumer Q&A — where Davin puts your real estate questions to John. This month, Steve wants to know why his fairly priced condo isn’t selling and what he can do beyond lowering the price. Susan is considering buying a home with her sister to share costs and gain exposure to real estate, and asks about the pros and risks. And Anwar wonders how “too low for too long” interest rates shaped today’s housing market — and why mortgage payments aren’t part of

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46:36

A Look Back 15 Years at Move Smartly and Realosophy -...

Move Smartly: The Podcast ·

2025/09/19

Today, Move Smartly co-host John Pasalis chats with Move Smartly editor and Realosophy business partner Urmi Desai about her departure from the firm and the Move Smartly show. A lot has changed since John and Urmi began working on a new type of pro-consumer data-focussed real estate brokerage and communications channel back over 15 years ago. We look back on the experiences of building a real estate business, why Urmi’s policy background has allowed her to take on various challenges in the public,

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01:03:18

The Hidden Distress Reshaping Toronto Condo Market —...

Move Smartly: The Podcast ·

2025/09/12

Each month, show co-host John Pasalis presents his latest data and top stories on Toronto area real estate in conversation with fellow Realosophy agents, Peter Karlos and Davin McMahon, and our Move Smartly mortgage expert, David Larock - and you, our viewers, who join the conversation in our live chat hosted by Move Smartly Editor Urmi Desai to make this is one of our liveliest segments! This week, John and his team discuss conditions in a market - how are individual buyers and sellers navigating

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57:41

Is Real Estate Now a Bad Investment in Canada? —...

Move Smartly: The Podcast ·

2025/09/05

We’re back from our summer hiatus - and back to work! Move Smartly Editor and Host, Urmi, once again speaks to John and Steve on what is going on in the data and on the ground in Toronto and Vancouver. This month, more sales but some surprising price drops continuing not only in condos but house sector. Plus, how will interest rates, economic uncertainty and headlines about a condo market collapse play into consumer sentiment? And, an Ontario real estate brokerage scandal puts (another) black eye on

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50:22

A Few More Buyers, A Lot More Listings — August...

Move Smartly: The Podcast ·

2025/08/15

Each month, show co-host John Pasalis presents his latest data and top stories on Toronto area real estate in conversation with fellow Realosophy agents, Anastasia Spozito and Davin McMahon, and our Move Smartly mortgage expert, David Larock - and you, our viewers, who join the conversation in our live chat hosted by Move Smartly Editor Urmi Desai to make this is one of our liveliest segments! This week, John and his team discuss conditions in a market that sees some buyers motivated as prices drop

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44:57

Slight Sales Bump — But For How Long? — Toronto &...

Move Smartly: The Podcast ·

2025/08/08

Move Smartly Editor and Host, Urmi, once again speaks to John and Steve on what is going on in the data and on the ground in Toronto and Vancouver. This month, some surprising signs of more activity with an uptick in sales in both markets, while prices remain under pressure. Plus, what influences home buyers more — interest rate news or Canada-US trade uncertainty? And BC tries to get new construction going with a change to development charges — will it work? Contact Us Follow Steve on X-Twitter

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39:48

Has Canada’s Housing Market Hit Bottom or Just...

Move Smartly: The Podcast ·

2025/08/01

In this episode, I’m joined by Robert Kavcic, Senior Economist at BMO, to unpack the real state of Canada’s economy amid growing public uncertainty. Despite rising interest rates, global trade tensions, and fears of a looming recession, Canadians are still spending, stock markets are climbing, and unemployment is rising more slowly than expected. So—are we in trouble, or are fears overblown? We explore the economic crosscurrents shaping 2025, from trade negotiations and tariff threats to what’s

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44:19

If Affordability is the Goal, Why Are Some Panicking...

Move Smartly: The Podcast ·

2025/07/25

Today, Move Smartly editor Urmi Desai discusses a key hot topic in Canadian real estate with co-host John Pasalis of Realosophy Realty in Toronto. In the last few years, we have been told by experts and advocates that removing all barriers to supply — including taxes, zoning and other government regulations — is the key to restoring housing affordability as builders will build, build, build enough homes to restore supply and demand balance — resulting in falling prices. But now that home prices and

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55:20

Why Canada Only Builds Micro Condos — And What We Can...

Move Smartly: The Podcast ·

2025/07/18

Toronto has become a global poster child for the micro-condo — tiny units designed not for families, but for investors. We’re told that’s just how the system works: developers need investors to pre-buy units years before anything gets built, because regular buyers won’t take that kind of risk. But is that really true? Or is it a choice we’ve made — one that’s locked us into building housing that doesn’t actually serve the people who need it? In this episode, John and Urmi speak with Pouyan

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58:38

More Homes, Fewer Buyers: GTA Housing Faces a New...

Move Smartly: The Podcast ·

2025/07/11

Each month, show co-host John Pasalis presents his latest data and top stories on Toronto area real estate in conversation with fellow Realosophy agents, Gus Papaioannou, and our Move Smartly mortgage expert, David Larock - and you, our viewers, who join the conversation in our live chat hosted by Move Smartly Editor Urmi Desai to make this is one of our liveliest segments! This week, John and his team discuss conditions in a market that has not been that familiar to the Toronto area for some time -

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54:19

Canadian Housing Market Remains at a Standstill —...

Move Smartly: The Podcast ·

2025/07/04

Move Smartly Editor and Host, Urmi, once again speaks to John and Steve on what is going on in the data and on the ground in Toronto and Vancouver. We heard how historic low sales continue to play out on the ground. Plus, are trade blues the only thing worrying Canadians about the economy? And why as our national housing agency giving up on housing affordability - and why can’t supply be a solution? Contact Us Follow Steve on X-Twitter @SteveSaretsky; Email at: steve@stevesaretsky.com Follow John on

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30:16

Waiting For Home Prices to Fall/Worried About Home...

Move Smartly: The Podcast ·

2025/06/27

Today’s episode is our monthly ‘The Situation’ consumer Q/A segment - Urmi once again asks John to respond to the detailed questions you send in about the real estate decisions you are making as you navigate through the Toronto area housing market. Today, we two concerned sets of parents - one worried that their kids are waiting too long for home prices to fall before buying — the other worried about the value of their kid’s condo falling. And, is now the time to ask your buyer agent for a

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01:02:30

Heroes or Villains? Debating the Role of Investors in...

Move Smartly: The Podcast ·

2025/06/20

Today, MoveSmartly.com Editor Urmi hosts a special debate/conversation between our guest, Daniel Foch (pro), and co-host John Pasalis of Realosophy Realty in Toronto (against). Daniel Foch is the Chief Real Estate Officer at Valery.ca and host of Canada’s #1 real estate podcast. As co-founder of The Habistat, the onboard data science platform for TRREB and Proptx, he has helped make the real estate industry more transparent by using real-time housing market data to inform decision-making for key

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