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The Practitioner-Scholar: The PennCLO Podcast

Penn Graduate School of Education, University of Pennsylvania

Welcome to "The Practitioner-Scholar: The PennCLO Podcast," the flagship production of the renowned Penn Chief Learning Officer Executive Doctoral Program at the University of Pennsylvania. Immerse yourself in a curated blend of scholarly insights and industry expertise, offering a profound exploration of organizational learning and leadership. Unveiling strategies and success indicators crucial in today"s dynamic landscape, this podcast is a testament to the distinctive approach fostered by our

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37:41

Leading Through the BANI World: Psychological...

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2026/09/09

Dr. Sharon Ravitch is joined by HR executive and scholar-practitioner Dr. TJ Lintz. Reflecting on his doctoral research at the University of Pennsylvania, Dr. Lintz explores how leaders transform moments of extreme disruption into catalysts for long-term organizational evolution.This episode explores the intersection of crisis management, artificial intelligence, and human-centered leadership. Dr. Lintz explains why artificial intelligence will never replace the human touch required for

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32:04

The Gift of Constructive Critique: Designing Brave...

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2026/08/05

In this episode of the PennCLO podcast, Dr. Sharon Ravitch is joined by Dr. Marikay Forst, a distinguished leadership expert and author of the groundbreaking chapter, Architecting Dissent by Design: Psychological Safety, Diverse Thinking, and Brave Cultures, featured in the new book Leaders as Architects of Change.Dr. Forst’s work tackles a critical paradigm shift in modern organizational design: transforming how leaders perceive, encourage, and process constructive disagreement. Moving

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37:23

Architects of Change: A Six-Part Leadership Roadmap...

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2026/06/30

In this episode of The Practitioner Scholar, Dr. Sharon Ravitch sits down with Dr. Bridie Fanning, Managing Director at Accenture and former Chief HR Officer, to discuss her critical contributing chapter to the ground-breaking new book, Leaders as Architects of Change (edited by Dr. Sharon Ravitch and Dr. Raghu Krishnamoorthy). While modern headlines focus heavily on what artificial intelligence can automate, Dr. Bridie Fanning argues that the future of work will not be dictated by

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43:38

Leaders as Architects of Collaboration

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2026/05/28

Great collaboration doesn't happen. It's designed. So why do so many leadership teams still treat it as something that should just emerge naturally?In this episode of the PennCLO Podcast, The Practitioner Scholar, Dr. Sharon M. Ravitch speaks with PennCLO mentor and lecturer Dr. Phillip Ellis about designing organizations for collaboration, resilience, and adaptive leadership.Based on Phillip’s chapter in Leaders as Architects of Change: Designing Organizations for Connection and Resilience

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29:06

Designing for Uncertainty: Rethinking Leadership...

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2026/04/29

What if uncertainty isn’t the problem—but the point?In this episode of the PennCLO Podcast, Dr. Jennifer Neumaier sits down with Penn CLO doctoral alum Dr. Lucrecia Grandolini about her chapter on leading through uncertainty from the book Leaders as Architects: Designing Organizations for Connection and Resilience, co-edited by Dr. Sharon Ravitch (University of Pennsylvania Graduate School of Education) and Dr. Ragu Krishnamoorthy, Director of the Penn CLO program. Drawing on her global

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37:42

When the Map Disappears: Architecting Adaptability in...

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2026/04/02

Dr. Sharon Ravitch (University of Pennsylvania Graduate School of Education) interviews Penn CLO doctoral alum Oscar Arias about his chapter, “Leading in Flux,” from the book Leaders as Architects: Designing Organizations for Connection and Resilience, co-edited by Ravitch and Dr. Ragu Krishnamoorthy. Arias explains “flux” as leading when conditions constantly shift, and describes a move from VUCA to a BANI world where systems are brittle, anxiety rises, and change is non-linear and hard to

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55:52

How Motherhood Creates Stronger Leaders and The...

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2026/03/24

What if one of the most powerful leadership development experiences doesn’t happen in the workplace at all?In this episode of The Practitioner Scholar: The Penn CLO Podcast, Gwen Mdinaradze, CEO of Edbridge, sits down with Dr. Becca Clanton, Ed.D., Americas Learning & Talent Development Leader at WSAudiology.Dr. Clanton shares findings from her research her own personal and professional stories about how motherhood grows leadership and strengthens other work-related skills. From

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37:15

PennCLO Presents: Leaders as Architects of Change - A...

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2026/02/24

In this special episode of the Practitioner Scholar podcast from the Penn Chief Learning Officer Doctoral program, Dr. Ragu Krishnamoorthy and Dr. Sharon Ravitch introduce their new book, 'Leaders as Architects of Change.' The discussion covers how modern leadership demands adaptability, resilience, and innovative thinking to navigate a world defined by rapid, unpredictable change. They explore the book’s two main parts: laying the foundation for understanding the current complexities and

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26:03

Rethinking Psychological Safety: What Sales Can...

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2026/01/24

In this episode of The Penn CLO Podcast, host Emma Zumsen sits down with Dr. Jess Jones, a recent graduate of the CLO program, to delve into her groundbreaking research on the intersection of B2B sales and psychological safety. Dr. Jones highlights how psychological safety, often focused on team dynamics within organizations, plays a crucial role in B2B sales environments. Moving beyond sales, the conversation delves into the concept of 'small L leaders,' who can foster psychological safety

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35:58

Encouraging Dissent for Better Outcomes

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2025/05/29

In this episode of the Practitioner Scholar podcast, host Julio Zelaya sits down with Dr. Marikay Forst, a distinguished alumna of the Penn Chief Learning Officer program with over 25 years of experience in learning and development, human resources, and organizational behavior. Dr. Forst shares her academic journey, including her decision to join the Penn CLO program after gaining substantial professional experience. The central theme of discussion is the role of organizational practices in

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43:26

Grit and Growth: Keys to Success for Women Lawyers

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2025/04/28

In this episode of the Practitioner Scholar podcast, hosted by Julio Zelaya, we meet Dr. Milana Hogan, the Chief Talent Officer at Sullivan and Cromwell, LLP. Dr. Hogan is an alumna of the Penn Chief Learning Officer (CLO) program at the University of Pennsylvania and holds a doctorate in work-based learning and development. The episode focuses on the role of grit and growth mindset in the success of women lawyers in big law firms.Dr. Hogan shares her groundbreaking research findings, which

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25:21

Empathy at Work: Transforming Organizations from Within

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2025/02/26

In this episode of The Practitioner Scholar, host Jess Jones welcomes Dr. Carla Thomas, a former WNBA athlete turned leadership consultant and educator. Dr. Thomas shares her journey from professional sports to academia, exploring how empathy shapes workplace culture and enhances collaboration. She discusses the role of emotional intelligence in effective leadership and the ways organizations can create environments that support growth, trust, and engagement. Drawing from her research and

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36:03

Harnessing Film for Leadership Development

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2025/01/21

In this episode of The Practitioner Scholar, a Penn Chief Learning Officer podcast, hosts Maria Luisa Underwood and Lisa-Marie Aird interview Dr. Douglas Clayton, a visionary in corporate learning and culture transformation. Dr. Clayton, founder and CEO of Leadership Filmworks LLC, shares his journey through the Penn CLO program and how it shaped his unique approach to leadership development using filmmaking. He discusses the importance of storytelling in corporate learning and introduces

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44:14

The Serious Research of Workplace Fun

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2024/12/04

In this episode of the Practitioner Scholar, host Julio Zelaya sits down with Dr. Janet Duliga, a distinguished executive and alumna of the Penn CLO Executive Program. Dr. Duliga, currently the Chief Corporate Officer at Prada Group, shares her extensive journey through law, psychology, and human resources, emphasizing her passion for organizational learning and leadership.They delve into Dr. Duliga's groundbreaking research on workplace fun, revealing that while management-sponsored events

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26:25

Authenticity in Leadership and Why it Matters

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2024/10/24

In this episode of the Practitioner Scholar podcast, hosted by Lisa-Marie Aird, Dr. Mark Kaestner, an alum of the Penn Chief Learning Officer program and VP at Ball Corporation, shares his insights on authentic leadership. He discusses his journey through the Penn CLO program, the essence of leadership authenticity, and strategies for building trust with teams. Dr. Kaestner highlights key elements such as open communication, consistency, active listening, and empathy as foundational for

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17:17

From the Navy to Academia: Insights on Ethical...

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2024/09/25

In this episode of the Practitioner Scholar, host Becca Clanton interviews Dr. Peg Klein, a distinguished alumna of the Penn Chief Learning Officer (CLO) program. Dr. Klein shares her unique journey from growing up near a Naval base to becoming a Navy officer and eventually an ethical leadership scholar. She discusses the impact of her early exposure to the military and aviation on her career, and the pivotal moment when she discovered her 'superpower'—a strong moral compass that guided her

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28:03

Mastering Stress and Leadership in High-Stakes...

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2024/08/21

In this episode of the Practitioner Scholar podcast, host Jess Jones interviews Dr. John 'Coach' Havlick, a retired Navy SEAL Captain, Hall of Fame swimmer, and Penn CLO graduate. They discuss Dr. Havlick's storied career, from college swimming and coaching at the Naval Academy to leading elite SEAL units and his subsequent career in consulting and academia. Dr. Havlick shares insights from his book 'The Leadership Killer' and his Ph.D. research on stress management in elite performers,

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27:33

Branding as an Executive

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2024/07/17

In this episode of the Practitioner Scholar, hosted by Lisa-Marie Aird, we welcome Dr. Lilian Ajayi Ore, a distinguished digital marketing strategist, top LinkedIn influencer, and humanitarian.Dr. Ajayi Ore, an alumna of the Penn Chief Learning Officer (CLO) program, shares her journey and insights from her extensive career in global diplomacy, corporate industry, consulting, and academia. The discussion centers around the importance of having a strategic digital presence for executives and

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38:58

Leading the Charge: Reshaping Executive Leadership...

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2024/06/09

In this enlightening episode of the Practitioner Scholar, Lisa-Marie Aird welcomes Dr. Raj Ramachardran, a trailblazer in leadership consulting and an alum of the Penn CLO program's first cohort. Amidst shared laughs and candid stories, they delve into pivotal leadership concepts for the modern age, examining both the challenges and transformative strategies essential for today's executives. Raj shares his personal journey from being legally blind to becoming a renowned consultant, igniting

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36:52

AI-Powered Learning: Navigating the Future of...

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2024/05/07

In this episode of the Practitioner Scholar, hosted by Melissa Monti, Dr. Ann Schulte, a Penn CLO program alumna and current Senior Vice President of Talent Development and Chief Learning Officer at Procter & Gamble, discusses the integration of AI in talent development and the importance of an always Beta mindset for continuous workplace innovation.

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