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30:04

Joe Kennedy III on Politics, Energy, and His Famous...

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2026/04/23

If you lived around Massachusetts in the 1980s, you might remember hearing ads for 1-877-JOE-4-OIL. Joe Kennedy II dedicated much of his life to delivering discounted oil to families in need through his organization Citizens Energy. Now his son, former Massachusetts Congressman Joe Kennedy III is picking up the mantle, and helping the organization shift to renewables – think solar panels. The younger Kennedy joins Shirley Leung on Say More to talk about his new energy ventures, family politics, and

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33:40

Fraud, Laundering, and other Fish Crimes. Who was...

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2026/04/16

For years, the New Bedford docks were home to one of the most notorious fraudsters in Massachusetts fishing history. His name is Carlos Rafael, but you might remember him as “The Codfather.” Besides being an exciting yarn full of conspiracy and crime, Carlos’s story ends up being a fascinating window into the challenge and perils of regulating fisheries in the US. This week on Say More, GBH News host and producer Ian Coss talks to host Shirley Leung about his new podcast series, “Catching the

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26:58

A Western Set in Ireland? Once Again, Tana French...

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2026/04/09

Murder makes demands. It’s a phrase underpinning THE KEEPER, the newest novel by Tana French, an author known best for her Dublin Murder Squad series. French was born in Vermont, but grew up all over the world. She landed, finally, in Ireland, where she fell in love with the humor and story-telling culture. This week on Say More, French talks to host Anna Kusmer about her latest trilogy which melds together western and mystery genres, set in the Irish countryside. French also reveals whether or not

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34:06

Politics Panel: A Police Shooting, the Maine Race,...

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2026/04/02

For the first time in 30 years, a Boston policeman is facing manslaughter charges for the shooting of an unarmed carjacking suspect who was trying to flee in his car. With this move, in an important election year, Suffolk DA Kevin Hayden is garnering praise and condemnation. By his side, is Boston Mayor Michelle Wu, whose recent acts of political retribution are drawing parallels with her predecessor, Mayor Tom Menino, a famous holder of grudges. This week on Say More’s political panel, opinion

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19:58

BONUS Say More LIVE: Emily Oster on Why Parenting...

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2026/03/31

Emily Oster, Brown University economist and author of ParentData newsletter, headlined Boston’s Globe second annual Working Mothers Summit this month. In a special live recording, Oster talks with Say More producer Anna Kusmer about why making parenting decisions feels even harder now than ever before. (Hint: social media isn’t helping) Oster, author of best-selling books EXPECTING BETTER and CRIBSHEET, stirred controversy during the pandemic for her controversial takes on school reopening. She says

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28:25

Can Boston be a Women’s Sports Town?

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2026/03/26

The sun was shining for the inaugural game this month of Boston Legacy, the city’s new women’s soccer team. While Legacy didn’t win their first match, optimism was high that finally, Boston may have a big women’s sports team to rally around. This week on Say More, host Shirley Leung talks to New Yorker sports writer Louisa Thomas about the progression of women’s sports, and what this team needs to do to survive the long haul. Can they promote stars and secure loyal fans? Can success mean an WNBA

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31:42

A Middle East Correspondent Reflects on War in Iran

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2026/03/18

Reporter Shirin Jaafari has covered countless conflicts across the Middle East. But now, for the first time, the neighborhoods of her childhood in Iran have become a warzone. Shirin has been covering the war for The World radio program at GBH, here in Boston, while keeping tabs of her family and friends back home. This week on Say More, she talks to Boston Globe opinion editor Jim Dao about what Americans get wrong about Iran and the aspirations of the vast, and diverse, Iranian diaspora. Email us

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29:36

US Literacy Rates are Shocking. Will AI Save Us? or...

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2026/03/12

Literacy rates in the US are shocking. Nearly half of the nation’s fourth graders cannot read at a basic level. Even Massachusetts, a leader in public education, reading scores have been falling. These disappointing results have fueled a bitter debate over how best to teach reading. And now that debate is fueled by another factor: artificial intelligence. Could tech tools help save more of our kids from illiteracy? Or will it simply expand the use of junk science? This week on Say More, opinion page

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32:16

Politics Panel: Iran, Epstein, and the Mass Senate Race

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2026/03/05

Why exactly did the Trump administration bomb Iran, and how will it affect the rest of politics? And what should happen to the powerful Massachusetts people who were chummy with Jeffrey Epstein after his 2008 conviction for sex trafficking? This week on Say More, Opinion Editor Jim Dao talks to Globe Opinion columnist Joan Vennochi and Ideas writer Abdallah Fayyad about whether age seems to matter in the Massachusetts Senate primary and who we should be mad at when our sidewalks fill up with snow

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47:50

BONUS Say More LIVE: Rare Diseases aren’t so Rare.

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2026/02/27

It’s Rare Disease Week! And the Boston Globe held its second annual Rare Disease Summit, shining a spotlight on the 30 million people living with a rare disease in the US. In this BONUS live recording of Say More, we talk to Boston Children’s Hospital head of pediatrics Dr. Wendy Chung about strides in newborn genetic screening, and Bob and Bobby Coughlin, a father and son whose lives have been transformed by a breakthrough cystic fibrosis drug that’s changing the outlook for people with the

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26:20

Deep Sea Adventurer Edie Widder says, “We’re all...

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2026/02/26

Deep sea explorer Edie Widder will never forget her first dive into the deep ocean. The second she turned off the lights on her submersible, she was met with a light show, “like the Fourth of July.” She couldn’t believe her eyes as blue sparks, swirls, and flashes filled her vision. The lesson was one she would bring through years of her career: the deep ocean is not a barren wasteland; it’s a vibrant world teeming with life and light. This week on Say More, Widder talks to co-host Anna Kusmer about

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28:30

From Braintree to Mainland China, Janice Page was...

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2026/02/19

Janice Page thinks of life like water. It flows, and you find yourself in situations you never could have imagined. In her new memoir, The Year of the Water Horse, Janice draws a complex love story across cultures, biology, and oceans. The story starts in whitebread Massachusetts and ends in rural China for the adoption of her baby girl. This week on Say More, Janice rings in the Lunar New Year with host Shirley Leung. They talk about falling in love, mothers-in-law, and cosmic twinning. Email us at

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30:16

From TV Host to Pastor, Liz Walker Found her Higher...

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2026/02/12

Liz Walker made her mark in Boston as the first Black woman to co-anchor a TV newscast. But now, her impact is much deeper. After leaving the TV host chair, Walker became the pastor of Roxbury Presbyterian Church, a historic church in Boston. While working at this church, Reverend Walker realized the true power of talking. She launched a group project called, “Can We Talk…” which mixes the community power of church with the power of talking. On this episode of Say More Rev. Walker talks to host Anna

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29:15

Want to Fix Democracy? Start with Colleges, says...

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2026/02/05

Higher education is in crisis. Trust in universities is low, tuition prices are out of reach for many Americans, and there are accusations of ideological bias on campus. Harvard University’s democracy expert Danielle Allen says this crisis is not just an educational problem, it threatens our entire country. Allen said she was excited to hear Trump calling for a new compact between the government and higher ed - but she has notes. This week on Say More, opinion page editor Jim Dao asks Allen about

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27:41

Before Lindsay Clancy, there was Latarsha Sanders....

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2026/01/29

What does justice mean when a mentally ill person takes a life? Before Lindsay Clancy killed her three children in Duxbury, there was another case. In 2018, a mother in Brockton, Latarsha Sanders, killed her two young sons while in the midst of a psychotic episode. But the tragedy didn’t end with their deaths. A dubious interrogation and a jury trial portraying Sanders as “evil” resulted in a first degree murder verdict. Boston Globe columnist Yvonne Abraham revisits the trial with an overflowing

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30:57

Politics Panel: One Year Down, Three More to go for...

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2026/01/22

President Trump 2.0 hit its first anniversary this week, and true to form, the President is making a splash. With ICE raids domestically, and brash confrontations of world leaders on the global stage, Trump is throwing his weight around, and continuing to push the limits of executive power. This week on Say more, opinion editor Jim Dao talks to Globe politics reporter James Pindell and Ideas writer Abdallah Fayyad about what the fallout of Massachusetts ICE raids could be, and what Trump’s call to

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27:36

Maduro Locked Him Up. He’s Got Thoughts About Trump’s...

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2026/01/13

Freddy Guevara has been in exile for more than 5 years. As a leader of a major opposition party in Venezuela, he was targeted and jailed by the Maduro government. Now, he and many other Venezuelans are watching as Maduro faces charges in a US court. This week on Say More, Guevara talks to opinion page editor Jim Dao about how Venezuelans are feeling about Trump’s moves in their country, and other thoughts about the so-called international order. An expert on authoritarianism, Guevara offers some

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28:39

Dennis Lehane says His Boston is a Vanished World.

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2026/01/08

Writer Dennis Lehane has written iconic books set in the working class Boston neighborhoods of his childhood. His latest book, Small Mercies, takes on the violence and racism he saw during busing. He says the things he witnessed turned him into the writer he is today. This week on Say More, Anna Kusmer talks to Lehane about his new Apple TV+ show Smoke, what makes good writing, and movies with the worst Boston accents. Email us at saymore@globe.com.

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25:02

Can Boldness be Learned? Ranjay Gulati says Yes.

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2026/01/01

From whistleblowing corporate malfeasance to tackling a mass shooter, courage takes many forms. What do we need to be our boldest selves? Is courage innate or can it be learned? This week on Say More, host Shirley Leung digs into the research with Harvard Business School professor Ranjay Gulati. His new book is called, “How to Be Bold: The Surprising Science of Everyday Courage.” Email us at saymore@globe.com.

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27:07

She Studies Gun Violence. Then a Mass Shooting...

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2025/12/20

Usually after a mass shooting, Ieva Jusionyte has a lot to say. Ieva is a scholar of gun violence at Brown University and is no stranger to the terrible power of firearms. But when a mass shooting took place at her place of work, in a building where she teaches, the words fell away. This week on Say More, Ieva talks to Opinion Editor Jim Dao about why solutions need to go beyond policy and address the deeper culture. Email us at saymore@globe.comFind Ieva’s recent piece for Globe Opinion here.

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