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ABA Business Leaders

Join us as we dive deep into the world of Applied Behavior Analysis (ABA), exploring real-world challenges and practical strategies to improve the quality, ethics, and sustainability of ABA services. Hosted by April & Stephen, the team behind 3 Pie Squared, each episode brings actionable insights for practice owners, clinicians, and leaders in the field—whether you’re just getting started or scaling your business.Expect candid conversations, expert interviews, and honest advice about

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All Episodes

01:15:10

Buying and Selling an ABA

ABA Business Leaders ·

2026/03/26

In this episode, Stephen and April sit down with Alex Veach, founder of Agenda Health, to break down what it looks like to buy or sell an ABA business. From understanding valuations to navigating the emotional and operational challenges of a sale, this conversation gives a practical look at a process many owners think about, but few fully understand. Alex shares insights from the transaction side of the industry, highlighting what makes a business attractive to buyers, what slows deals down, and how

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01:38:30

Self Care in ABA

ABA Business Leaders ·

2026/03/19

In this episode, Stephen and April Smith sit down with Josh Levine, co-founder of Momentum, for a conversation about burnout, leadership, and the role of self-awareness in the ABA field. Josh shares how a simple habit of daily reflection helped him grow as a clinician and develop a mindset focused on continuous improvement rather than perfection. The discussion explores the emotional side of behavioral work, from overcoming negative self-talk to recognizing how burnout affects business owners,

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01:00:21

Audit Anxiety in ABA Businesses: Lessons Every Owner...

ABA Business Leaders ·

2026/03/12

Audit anxiety is one of the most common — and least talked about — pressures facing ABA business owners. Hosts Stephen and April, joined by Alecia Barrett from A. Barrett Academy LLC, share candid stories about the audits they personally went through, including moments when accusations of fraud and recoupment demands threatened their stability. These stories highlight an important truth for ABA owners: audits are stressful, but they’re also manageable when you understand your rights and keep strong

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00:34:41

ABA Business Leaders and Work-Life Balance

ABA Business Leaders ·

2026/03/05

In this solo episode, April Smith takes a direct and nuanced look at burnout in the ABA industry, and challenges the way we talk about it.Rather than accepting burnout as an inevitable byproduct of leadership, April explores the illusion of burnout and how it shows up specifically for ABA business owners. She unpacks the subtle ways leaders can feel trapped: by their standards of excellence, by financial pressure, and by the belief that exhaustion is simply “part of the job.”This episode goes beyond

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00:49:09

Why Are Prior Authorizations in ABA Changing?

ABA Business Leaders ·

2026/02/26

In this episode of the ABA Business Leaders Podcast, April and Stephen discuss the evolving landscape of prior authorizations in ABA with Jeff Morelli from Silna Health. SILNA handles prior-authorizations using the power of AI, all designed specifically for ABA Businesses and their workflows.They explore the challenges faced by clinicians due to administrative burdens and how technology, particularly AI, is reshaping the reimbursement process.Jeff introduces Silna's Predictive Document Intelligence,

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01:14:21

️ Artificial Intelligence in ABA

ABA Business Leaders ·

2026/02/19

In this episode, Stephen and April sit down with Dr. David J. Cox, a uniquely cross-disciplinary thinker whose work spans behavior analysis, bioethics, behavioral economics, and data science. With formal training from Union Graduate College, a PhD from the University of Florida, and post-doctoral work at the Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine and the Insight Data Science Fellowship, David brings a rare lens to one of the most pressing conversations in ABA today: What does AI mean for

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01:27:31

Valentines Episode - Couples as Co-owners Panel

ABA Business Leaders ·

2026/02/12

ABA Business Leaders PodcastStephen and April Smith are seasoned ABA entrepreneurs who built, scaled, and successfully exited a seven-figure ABA practice. Now, through 3 Pie Squared, they help other ABA business owners grow sustainable, values-driven companies without burning out or losing sight of what matters most.In this Valetines Day special episode, Stephen and April explore what really happens when couples build ABA businesses together. They are joined by a select panel of couples in business

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00:50:55

Aligning Values and Growth in ABA Businesses

ABA Business Leaders ·

2026/02/05

In this episode, Stephen and April Smith of 3 Pie Squared explore how values shape decisions, culture, and growth in ABA businesses. Drawing from their experience building and exiting a seven-figure practice, they discuss aligning goals with values, learning from mistakes, and turning abstract principles into actionable business practices.Stephen and April also highlight the role of teams in upholding values through trust, communication, and accountability, and share how 3 Pie Squared introduced a

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01:01:24

ABA Practice Management Software: Why You Need It and...

ABA Business Leaders ·

2026/01/29

ABA Practice Management Software: Why You Need It and What to Look ForRunning an ABA practice and delivering great clinical care go hand in hand with efficient systems and reliable software.In this episode of ABA Business Leaders, Stephen and April Smith sit down with Charlene Kurth, Chief Operating Officer at Office Puzzle, and Hailu Jardines, CEO of Office Puzzle, to unpack why practice management software (PMS) is a crucial tool for scaling your ABA business, and how the right platform can

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00:59:10

Back to Basics: One Decision That Moved the Business...

ABA Business Leaders ·

2026/01/22

In this episode of the ABA Business Leaders Podcast, April Smith, co-founder of 3 Pie Squared, hosts an expert panel discussion featuring:Alecia Barrett BCBA, COBA, LSW and owner of A. Barrett Academy, LLC located in Holland OhioBrooke Schneider, M.S.Ed., BCBA, LBA is the Founder and Clinical Director of Orange Pediatric Therapy, which she opened in 2015Mallory Stinger, BCBA, CEU Coordinator, IEP Advocate, Sleep Consultant. Mallory has been in the field since 2010.Jennifer Helten, the CEO and

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01:21:22

ABA Business Leaders Support Group

ABA Business Leaders ·

2026/01/15

In this special panel episode of the ABA Business Leaders Podcast, host April Smith, co-founder of 3 Pie Squared, is joined by Jennifer Helten and Mallory Stinger for a candid, wide-ranging conversation about the realities of owning and leading an ABA business. Together, they explore the emotional, operational, and leadership challenges that show up once you step into ownership. From guilt and over-responsibility to delegation, boundaries, and the constant pressure of “everything being a priority.”

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01:15:46

Back to Basics – HIPAA 101

ABA Business Leaders ·

2026/01/08

Back to Basics – HIPAA 101In this episode of the ABA Business Leaders Podcast, Stephen and April Smith of 3 Pie Squared return to fundamentals, breaking down HIPAA through the lens of real operational decisions ABA owners face every day. They are joined by Nandy Bo, Cybersecurity Expert from Cyber Swiss Army Knife Squad. From device security and Wi-Fi risks to IT systems, policies, and staff practices, this conversation is designed to help you identify vulnerabilities before they become

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01:01:06

Back to Basics: Planning The End From The Start

ABA Business Leaders ·

2026/01/01

In this episode of the ABA Business Leaders Podcast, hosted by Stephen and April Smith of 3 Pie Squared, the conversation focuses on one of the most overlooked elements of long-term success in an ABA business: exit planning. Drawing from their experience building, scaling, and exiting a seven-figure ABA practice, Stephen and April explain why your exit strategy should be considered from day one, not as an afterthought.Throughout the episode, Stephen and April break down how exit planning directly

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01:57:21

How to Create Company Culture and Support Your ABA...

ABA Business Leaders ·

2025/12/25

In this episode of the ABA Business Leaders Podcast, hosts Stephen and April Smith of 3 Pie Squared break down what it really takes to create a healthy, sustainable company culture while supporting staff at every stage of an ABA practice’s growth.Drawing on their experience building, scaling, and exiting a seven-figure ABA organization, Stephen and April share practical guidance for founders and leaders who want to align values with business realities, course-correct when needed, and intentionally

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00:53:54

Back to Basics: Insurance Process

ABA Business Leaders ·

2025/12/18

In this episode of the ABA Business Leaders Podcast, hosts Stephen and April Smith of 3 Pie Squared break down one of the most misunderstood and operationally critical areas of running an ABA practice: insurance processes.From claim denials to prior authorizations, insurance workflows can either support growth or quietly stall it. Stephen and April walk through the core insurance systems every ABA business owner needs to understand, especially in the early stages, and explain why even experienced

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46:20

Back to Basics: Financial Planning for Your ABA Business

ABA Business Leaders ·

2025/12/11

Back to Basics: Financial Planning for Your ABA Business In this episode of the ABA Business Leaders Podcast, Stephen and April sit down with Shep from Live Oak Bank to simplify the world of ABA Finance, ABA funding, and smart financial planning for your ABA practice. Whether you are launching a new clinic or expanding your services, this conversation helps you understand how banks evaluate your business and what you need to secure the right bank loans. Shep explains how Live Oak partners with ABA

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87:22

ABA Business Accountancy & Bookkeeping Explained!

ABA Business Leaders ·

2025/12/04

ABA Business Leaders Podcast — Hosted by Stephen Smith & Johanna Eddy In this episode of the ABA Business Leaders Podcast, Stephen and Johanna Eddy break down one of the most challenging (but most important) parts of running an ABA practice: finance. Whether you’re a new ABA provider or operating an established ABA organization, this conversation walks you through the key financial systems that keep an ABA business stable, compliant, and ready for growth. Key Takeaways ✔ Accurate Bookkeeping Is

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47:28

Back to Basics: Building Relationships That Last

ABA Business Leaders ·

2025/11/27

Back to Basics: Building Relationships That Last In this episode of the ABA Business Leaders Podcast, hosts April and Stephen Smith explore one of the most important parts of growing a healthy ABA business: the people you bring into it. They dig into hiring, leadership, mentorship, and the communication habits that help an ABA therapy organization run smoothly over the long term. Whether you're in the early stages of building your ABA team or preparing to step back from daily operations, this

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52:34

Back to Basics: Building for Growth

ABA Business Leaders ·

2025/11/20

Back to Basics: Building for Growth In this Back to Basics episode of the ABA Business Leaders Podcast, hosts Stephen and April Smith unpack what it really takes to grow an ABA business without burning yourself out in the process. From breaking inefficient systems before they break you to understanding your true capacity as a leader, this episode focuses on the practical, behind-the-scenes work that makes sustainable growth possible. If scaling your ABA business feels overwhelming, this conversation

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51:52

Defining Success in Your ABA Business

ABA Business Leaders ·

2025/11/13

Sponsored by SILNA This episode is proudly sponsored by SILNA, a platform helping ABA providers navigate compliance, resources, and advocacy in the field. 👉 Learn more Episode Summary Success looks different for every ABA business owner, especially as your company grows. April and Stephen discuss how to define and measure success when starting out, how your definition evolves over time, and strategies to grow your ABA business with intention and purpose. Key Topics Covered Defining Success When

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