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Point of Relation with Thomas Huebl

Point of Relation podcast illuminates the path to collective healing at the intersection of science and mysticism. Host Thomas Huebl welcomes visionaries, innovators, artists, and healers for deep conversations about how we can activate our shared intelligence to meet the most pressing challenges of our time.

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01:03:14

Meditating Into the Heart with Susanne Ahlendorf and...

Point of Relation with Thomas Huebl ·

2026/03/17

This week, Thomas sits down with meditation instructors Susanne Ahlendorf and Martin Bruders for a deep exploration of heart-centered meditation, moving beyond the physical heart to uncover its emotional, energetic, and spiritual layers.Discover why your emotional defenses, aka the "guardians of the heart", are an intelligent part of your healing journey, and how vulnerability leads to deeper connection and a more embodied meditation practice.We also explore a path toward entering the “cave of the

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32:53

Amy Elizabeth Fox | A Trauma-Informed Paradigm for...

Point of Relation with Thomas Huebl ·

2026/03/10

This week, Thomas sits down with the CEO of Mobius Executive Leadership, Amy Elizabeth Fox, for a conversation about bringing trauma-informed wisdom and embodied presence into leadership, organizations, coaching, and consulting work.They discuss how traditional coaching and leadership development are inadequate for increasingly chaotic times, where unresolved personal and collective trauma create unhealthy environments that lack resilience. Thomas and Amy offer tools and practices for

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01:02:50

Bayo Akomolafe, PhD | Mapping New Realities

Point of Relation with Thomas Huebl ·

2026/03/03

This week, Thomas sits down with celebrated speaker, posthumanist thinker, poet, teacher, and author, Bayo Akomolafe, for a philosophical and spiritual exploration into how we understand reality and the radical perception shifts and awakenings that are necessary for true social transformation to become possible.In his uniquely poetic way, Bayo interrogates traditional solutions to social and ecological problems that only uphold harmful norms, and offers that real change is brought about through what

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45:31

Cheryl Strayed | Writing the Story of Your Healing

Point of Relation with Thomas Huebl ·

2026/02/24

This week, Thomas sits down with speaker and renowned author of “Wild,” Cheryl Strayed, for a conversation on the profound healing power of writing and creating, the catharsis of truth-telling, and the importance of physical embodiment in trauma recovery.Cheryl shares how grief and trauma left her feeling isolated, and describes her difficult but meaningful journey to healing through community connection. By writing about her life and daring to share her deepest wounds, she found that she was not

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01:00:15

An Ethical Path to Awakening and Healing with Matthew...

Point of Relation with Thomas Huebl ·

2026/02/17

This week, Thomas sits down with one of our favorite frequent guests; journalist and co-host of the “What is Collective Healing?” podcast, Matthew Green, to explore the profound synergy between spiritual awakening, ethical living, and trauma healing, and how these pursuits converge on the journey of life.They discuss how the "social mirror" of community helps us integrate spiritual insights, why it’s so important to meet pain with love, and why moral development requires us to get to the root causes

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50:52

Pico Iyer | The Alchemy of Stillness

Point of Relation with Thomas Huebl ·

2026/02/10

This week, Thomas sits down with acclaimed essayist, author, and speaker Pico Iyer to discuss travel and writing as meditative practices, the spiritual power of stillness and quiet, and how creative work generates a sense of agency in a chaotic world.Pico shares incredible anecdotes from his international travels, many monastic retreats, decades of journeys with the Dalai Lama, and intimate time spent with beloved musician and Buddhist Leonard Cohen.It’s an uplifting conversation on how to pull

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43:11

Intimacy With Your Inner World

Point of Relation with Thomas Huebl ·

2026/02/03

This week, Thomas shares a teaching on how to become intimate with your authentic inner self, what causes us to distance ourselves from presence and self-acceptance, and why it’s actually counterproductive to strive towards an “ideal” or “perfect” self.Tune in for a spiritual perspective on understanding your triggers, embracing discomfort, and transforming stagnation into opportunity for new choices. It’s an important teaching for anyone working to get themselves unstuck from past patterns and

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01:02:14

Jack Kornfield | Stories of Transformation

Point of Relation with Thomas Huebl ·

2026/01/27

This week, Thomas sits down with beloved spiritual teacher and author Jack Kornfield to explore the important and often undervalued spiritual role of the elder, the transformative power of storytelling, and why we should approach our own suffering with love instead of fear.Jack shares some beautiful, poignant stories from his new book, All in This Together, that illustrate how small acts of compassion have a profound ripple effect on our shared consciousness, and how important it is to radically

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01:05:01

john a. powell | Othering and Belonging

Point of Relation with Thomas Huebl ·

2026/01/20

This week, Thomas sits down with law professor and Director of the Othering and Belonging Institute, john a. powell, for a deep examination of humans’ tendency to become divided, and how the narratives we construct around fearing other groups are actually a symptom of our fundamental drive for connection. They explore how our capacity for connection and community, driven by culture and storytelling, can produce divisiveness, and how we can use these same capacities to increase our empathy for

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59:30

Becoming Mature Global Citizens with Matthew Green

Point of Relation with Thomas Huebl ·

2026/01/13

This week, Thomas is joined once again by journalist and co-host of the “What is Collective Healing?” podcast, Matthew Green, for a conversation exploring the idea of “global acupuncture.” So what is global acupuncture?It’s an approach to collective global healing that leverages our power as connected, social beings to skillfully address the roots of collective trauma at the most critical pressure points in our cultures and societies.Thomas and Matthew discuss how humanity can transition from

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33:44

The Art of Transparent Communication [From the Archive]

Point of Relation with Thomas Huebl ·

2026/01/06

This week, we revisit an early episode where Thomas explores the concept of Transparent Communication, a practice that creates an open and grounded relational space where constructive and creative communication can occur. He explains that this form of communication combines the interconnected data streams of cognitive, emotional, and physical information that are always present in any conversation.When we become attuned to these transmissions from others' nervous systems, and are consciously

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53:12

Accessing Deeper States of Meditation with Susanne...

Point of Relation with Thomas Huebl ·

2025/12/30

This week, Thomas is joined once again by his dear friends, longtime students, and meditation instructors Susanne Ahlendorf and Martin Bruders, for a conversation that unpacks both elemental and complex elements of the practice of meditation.They break down the most essential spiritual components of meditation and how we can apply them to our own practice, at any experience level. Thomas shares insight on how to cultivate the “beginner’s mind” and harness our attention by releasing unhelpful

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48:16

Ross Gay | The Poetry of Joy and Connection

Point of Relation with Thomas Huebl ·

2025/12/23

This week, Thomas sits down with acclaimed poet and author Ross Gay for a conversation on the intrinsic link between joy and sorrow, and the importance of finding delight in a world where doing so feels increasingly difficult.Ross’ work is focused on finding joy through human connection, from kinship and ancestry to the profound and powerful connection we feel when we help each other carry our sorrows. In this way, sorrow serves as an unexpected source of delight, a fundamental element of life that

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53:45

Kyle Dietrich | The Sacredness of Service

Point of Relation with Thomas Huebl ·

2025/12/16

This week, Thomas sits down with Kyle Dietrich, a trauma-informed leadership coach and the founder of Grounded Idealist, for a hopeful conversation about how personal and global crises can spark radical transformation, and how we can build a supportive healing architecture for service workers, healers, parents, and anyone committed to bettering our world.They explore the crucial link between inner work and social change, the need for trauma-informed support for people who’ve dedicated their lives to

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33:03

Dr. Richard Schwartz | Expanding the Map of Healing

Point of Relation with Thomas Huebl ·

2025/12/09

This week, Thomas is joined once again by the founder of Internal Family Systems, Dr. Richard Schwartz, for a deep exploration of how we can integrate collective trauma work into our daily lives, relationships, and communities.Combining wisdom from psychology and spiritual traditions, they discuss fresh insights on creating a holistic healing framework for modern times that expands our traditional understanding of therapy and healing by addressing deeply ingrained ancestral and collective

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54:51

Listener Q&A With Thomas & Matthew Green

Point of Relation with Thomas Huebl ·

2025/12/02

This week, Thomas sits down with journalist and co-host of the “What is Collective Healing?” podcast, Matthew Green, for a special episode to answer questions from our community of listeners.They discuss how we can recognize when we’re carrying unresolved trauma from the past, how we can support our children’s healing while honoring ancestral trauma, and what questions we need to ask ourselves as we embark on our own healing journeys.They also explore why we should approach our trauma responses with

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54:34

Dr. MaryCatherine McDonald | Transforming Fear Into...

Point of Relation with Thomas Huebl ·

2025/11/25

How can joy and curiosity help us navigate the most difficult times in our lives?This week, Thomas is joined once again by Dr. MaryCatherine McDonald, a trauma researcher, life coach, and author, to explore how curiosity and imagination are some of our most important and most trainable tools when we’re facing relational conflicts, traumatic experiences, grief and loss, and anxiety inducing news cycles. It might seem counterintuitive, but these resources give us much needed perspective, help us

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16:32

Bonus: The Mysticism of Light

Point of Relation with Thomas Huebl ·

2025/11/20

Feeling disconnected or stuck? In this short teaching from Thomas, you’ll learn how to tap into an embodied awareness of your inner light and channel the higher consciousness of your soul to unlock creativity, innovation, and direction for your future. This deep session offers guidance on refining your inner world to listen for the subtle stream of future insights, bringing needed updates and making you more open to previously unseen potential paths.✨ Watch the video version of this episode on

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52:17

Dr. Richard Schwartz | Healing Collective Ancestral...

Point of Relation with Thomas Huebl ·

2025/11/18

This week, Thomas sits down with Dr. Richard Schwartz, the founder of Internal Family Systems, for an in-depth discussion on the power of healing in groups, intergenerational and ancestral trauma healing, and the relationship between therapy and spirituality—all topics that are featured in their forthcoming book; Releasing Our Burdens: A Guide to Healing Individual, Ancestral, and Collective Trauma.Thomas and Dr. Schwartz dive deep into the phenomena of ancestral and collective "legacy burdens",

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01:10:10

Jack Kornfield | Finding Your Self on the Spiritual Path

Point of Relation with Thomas Huebl ·

2025/11/11

This week, Thomas sits down with writer, trained Buddhist monk, and meditation teacher, Jack Kornfield, for a conversation about the twists and turns on the spiritual path and the quest for a defined identity. Drawing on hard-won expertise, they dissect spiritual bypassing, embrace the necessity of disillusionment, and share rituals and practices to help you reclaim the sacred.Both teachers have extensive experience with trauma, pioneering our understanding of how trauma healing and spiritual

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