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Point of Relation with Thomas Huebl

Point of Relation podcast illuminates the path to collective healing at the intersection of science and mysticism. Host Thomas Huebl welcomes visionaries, innovators, artists, and healers for deep conversations about how we can activate our shared intelligence to meet the most pressing challenges of our time.

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12:40

Bonus: The Turning Point of Now

Point of Relation with Thomas Huebl ·

2025/10/30

Thomas shares a short teaching on how we can work together to navigate global crises, identify areas of unaddressed collective trauma, and transform outdated social structures with more emergent, creative, compassionate movements.In order for humanity to move into the next stage of development, we must address the frozen wounds of our past in order to stop repeating the same mistakes. Thomas explores ways to overcome our current state of fragmentation to prevent destructive crises before they occur

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39:28

Freedom, Wholeness, and Healing Through Integration

Point of Relation with Thomas Huebl ·

2025/10/28

This week, Thomas shares a teaching on trauma healing, ego integration, and embodied trust. Through the lens of traditional spiritual practices and the Tao Te Ching, he explores how trauma disconnects us from inner coherence, and why it’s important to understand and accept the intelligence of our defense patterns instead of simply trying to get rid of them.He also shares a unique perspective on trust, relationality, and worthiness, and challenges the idea of completely “dissolving the ego” and

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56:40

Serene Thin Elk | Connecting to Our Spiritual...

Point of Relation with Thomas Huebl ·

2025/10/21

Can connecting with our ancestors help us see the sacredness in moments of deep crisis and grief?This week, Thomas sits down with Serene Thin Elk, a Lakota/ Dakota mental health and addiction therapist and speaker, for a vulnerable and moving conversation on ancestral healing, intergenerational trauma, grief, and collective wisdom.Serene shares her journey, driven by a need to understand her own and her community's suffering, including the intergenerational effects of historical trauma on Indigenous

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01:05:02

Soren Gordhamer | Spiritually-Informed Technology

Point of Relation with Thomas Huebl ·

2025/10/14

Will human wisdom ever be able to match the progress of technology?This week, Thomas is joined by Soren Gordhamer, the founder of Wisdom 2.0, for a deep dive into spiritual consciousness, technology, and how we can hold on to what’s most essential in life as we face the complex challenges of the digital age.As humans experience unprecedented levels of global connection, we’re also facing a crisis of loneliness, fragmentation, and polarization. Soren suspects that our “inner technologies of the

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23:01

Becoming an Ally of Life

Point of Relation with Thomas Huebl ·

2025/10/07

Are you truly existing in the world, or are you trying to escape it?This week, Thomas shares an exploration into personal and societal evolution. It all begins with creating an inner spaciousness from which we can engage with the world with embodied presence, even when it’s difficult and uncomfortable.This teaching invites you to see challenges as gateways for transformation where innovation can emerge. Thomas shares how this principle applies on a small scale in our personal lives and on a larger

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11:12

Bonus Preview: john a. powell at the Collective...

Point of Relation with Thomas Huebl ·

2025/10/02

“Our history is not a history of divide. Our history is a history of coming together in greater and greater numbers.” - john a. powellIn this special bonus episode, Thomas sits down with john a. powell, law professor and Director of the Othering and Belonging Institute, to investigate the root causes and social function of “othering.”Humans are wired for connection, and according to john, othering is actually an unfortunate byproduct of our desire to belong and survive within a specific group.He and

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59:12

Pádraig Ó Tuama | Healing Spiritual Trauma

Point of Relation with Thomas Huebl ·

2025/09/30

Can creative expression help us return to ourselves after we’ve experienced spiritual trauma?This week, Thomas sits down with Pádraig Ó Tuama, a distinguished Irish Poet, theologian, and host of the podcast Poetry Unbound, for a profound exploration of spiritual trauma. Pádraig shares about the specific heartbreak of being betrayed by a spiritual community, drawing from his own intense experiences as a young gay man whose sexuality was demonized by his church.Pádraig and Thomas discuss the

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01:00:50

Rae Riedel | Harnessing the Power of Your Breath

Point of Relation with Thomas Huebl ·

2025/09/23

Can you change your consciousness by changing the way that you breathe?This week, Thomas is joined by Rae Riedel, the co-founder, primary educator, and facilitator trainer of Integrative Breath. She’s also a senior student of Thomas’, having trained with him for over 13 years. Their conversation deeply explores the transformative power of breath work, bridging ancient mystical traditions with cutting-edge science.Breath is both a core element of spiritual practice and a physical process that directs

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24:43

Embracing the Unknown on the Spiritual Path

Point of Relation with Thomas Huebl ·

2025/09/16

The beauty of the spiritual path lies in not having a fixed destination.This week, Thomas Hübl shares a teaching that opens us to a different mode of knowing—one that is emergent, direct, and arises from surrendering to its flow rather than attempting to control it.Tune in for a radical redefinition of the spiritual journey and learn how to embrace your unique agency in co-creating reality, refine your inner listening, and deepen your understanding of key mystical principles.✨ Click here to watch

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01:14:14

Esther Perel & Jack Saul | Relational Healing to...

Point of Relation with Thomas Huebl ·

2025/09/09

This week, we’re revisiting Thomas’ conversation with Esther Perel, a renowned psychotherapist, NYT bestselling author, and host of the podcast “Where Should We Begin?” They’re also joined by her husband, Jack Saul, an artist, author, and psychologist. It’s a deep discussion on working with trauma survivors, the healing power of creativity, and addressing the impacts of intergenerational trauma in therapy.Esther defines the “erotic” as a feeling of aliveness and vibrancy that transcends the context

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19:52

Unifying Science and Spirituality

Point of Relation with Thomas Huebl ·

2025/09/02

Can we create more richness and harmony in our lives by synthesizing scientific and spiritual ways of knowing?This week, Thomas shares his thoughts on this question and explains how bridging this divide into a unified understanding of reality might be the key to unlocking the full spectrum of human experience and intelligence.Tune in to explore how trauma creates a false sense of separation between these two worlds, and learn how practicing presence and attuning with the wholeness of the information

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09:37

Bonus Preview: Pico Iyer at the 2025 Collective...

Point of Relation with Thomas Huebl ·

2025/08/28

Today, we’re sharing an excerpt from Thomas’ conversation with acclaimed travel writer, author, and speaker Pico Iyer at the upcoming Collective Trauma Summit.Pico’s extensive travels and journeys into the realms of Buddhism and meditation have deeply inspired and informed his creative process. They also brought him into close contact with another artist and meditation practitioner, the legendary musician Leonard Cohen.In this snippet from his Summit talk, Pico shares his experience witnessing

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55:15

Susanne Ahlendorf and Martin Bruders |...

Point of Relation with Thomas Huebl ·

2025/08/26

A deep meditation practice doesn’t help you bypass your problems; it helps you move through them with presence and embodied awareness.This week, Thomas is joined by his dear friends, longtime students, and meditation instructors Susanne Ahlendorf and Martin Bruders, for a deep dive into the healing power of meditation and how to integrate your meditation practice into every moment of your life.Learn to transform your practice into a way of living and find deeper intimacy with your life’s journey,

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32:00

Francis Weller | Embracing the Wisdom of Grief

Point of Relation with Thomas Huebl ·

2025/08/19

How does crossing the threshold of grief open the gateway to other potent emotions?In part two of their conversation on grief, healing, and social transformation, Thomas and Francis Weller discuss what it means to become an apprentice to grief, how communal healing leads to individual and social maturity, and why it’s so important to lean into our interconnectedness when times are tough.Explore what’s lacking in Western cultures’ approach to processing grief and what might change if we create

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09:53

Bonus Preview: Cheryl Strayed at the Collective...

Point of Relation with Thomas Huebl ·

2025/08/14

Bestselling author Cheryl Strayed believes that writing your truth can set you free.Today we’re sharing an excerpt from her conversation with Thomas at the upcoming Collective Trauma Summit. In it, she shares about a profound healing act that helped her process deep grief and trauma…writing. More specifically, the way that writing demands raw honesty and vulnerability, revealing our deepest truths about our human experiences.It’s also an incredibly effective way to combat the isolation and

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43:28

Francis Weller | Grief Rituals and Soul Hygiene

Point of Relation with Thomas Huebl ·

2025/08/12

What if opening yourself to grief could actually help you feel more alive?This week, Thomas sits down with psychotherapist, writer, and soul activist Francis Weller for a powerful conversation about befriending grief, embracing healing rituals in collective spaces, and the power of the past to transform the future.It’s so common for people in pain to turn away from it, to avoid their grief and sorrow, or to think that they can muscle through in isolation. But in the deep wisdom that Francis shares

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57:06

Dr. Terry Real | Daring to Embrace Intimacy in a...

Point of Relation with Thomas Huebl ·

2025/08/05

Have you ever pulled away from someone you love—not because you didn’t care, but because closeness felt too painful?This week, Thomas is joined by renowned couples therapy expert Dr. Terry Real for a conversation on how trauma affects our relationships with ourselves, our intimate partners, and the world at large—and how we can heal those wounds.Intimacy isn’t just something you share with other people; it’s also an authentic connection with yourself. Thomas and Terry explore how our relationships

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50:46

Bonus Replay: Andrea Gibson | Befriending Mortality

Point of Relation with Thomas Huebl ·

2025/07/31

To honor the life of beloved poet and beautiful human being Andrea Gibson, we're sharing their episode of the podcast again. Andrea's work, energy, vulnerability, and exceptional passion for life were inspiring for all of us on the Point of Relation team, and we were so sad to hear of their recent passing. In this conversation with Thomas, Andrea speaks from the heart about courageously embracing death and grief, the spiritually transformative power of facing your mortality, the absolute necessity

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52:37

Amandine Roche | Inner Peace for Collective Healing

Point of Relation with Thomas Huebl ·

2025/07/29

Can healing yourself really help heal the world?This week, Thomas sits down with Amandine Roche, a human rights and women’s empowerment expert with more than 20 years of experience with the United Nations and European Union. Amandine’s extensive work in conflict zones worldwide was driven by a deep, personal quest for healing from childhood trauma. But the work itself took a toll on her mental and physical health, leading her on a journey of healing that uncovered an essential core truth that she

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48:05

Dr. Judith Lewis Herman | Understanding Complex PTSD

Point of Relation with Thomas Huebl ·

2025/07/15

“For complex PTSD, you have to establish a relationship. And only after trust has been established can you do the trauma-focused work.” This week, Thomas sits down with Dr. Judith Lewis Herman, an author and senior lecturer in psychiatry and Harvard Medical School, to explore her groundbreaking work on the psychology and social and cultural aspects of Complex PTSD, or CPTSD. Unlike the better-known diagnosis of PTSD, CPTSD arises from prolonged, repeated trauma that erodes one’s sense of self and

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