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Break the Business

Break the Business Podcast

A show for indie creators and the people who love and support them. Break the Business Podcast is a fun and informative discussion of entertainment law (for non-lawyers), independent artists, and popular culture. Break the Business is recorded live on Thursdays at 9pm Eastern at twitch.tv/breakthebusiness. Catch the show on Mondays at 6pm on SiriusXM Channel 145 SLAM Radio and on all major podcast platforms! If you"d like to be a guest or have any questions, please send us an email at

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1:03:47

BTB Ep 513: LiveNation Verdict; Simonetta Lein

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2026/04/19

TOPICS: Ryan and Gideon King break down the April 15th jury verdict in the LiveNation/TicketMaster Trial; our guest this week is TV host and social entrepreneur Simonetta Lein. Check out the Simonetta Lein show and find out more about our guest’s work by visiting www.simonettalein.com.Rate/review/subscribe to the Break the Business Podcast on iTunes, SoundCloud, Stitcher, and Google Play. Follow Ryan @ryankair and the Break the Business Podcast @thebtbpodcast. Like Break the Business on Facebook and

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57:00

BTB Ep 512: Are record deals becoming more favorable...

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2026/04/12

TOPICS: Record deals are becoming more favorable for artists but also less favorable; Rock and Roll Hall of Fame snubs; the power of positive visualization; our guest this week is singer, songwriter, and podcast host Miist. Miist’s new single “Love Will Show Us Our Way” is available now, and you can find our guest on most social media platforms @miistthesinger.Rate/review/subscribe to the Break the Business Podcast on iTunes, SoundCloud, Stitcher, and Google Play. Follow Ryan @ryankair and the Break

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59:46

BTB Ep 511: Sync opportunties in indie video games;...

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2026/04/05

TOPICS: Ryan and ElisaRockDoc talk about indie video games and the unique sync licensing opportunities that they provide to artists; Taylor Swift is facing a lawsuit over her“Life of a Showgirl” brand; our guest this week is author, manager, DJ, and music businessprofessor Amani Roberts. Amani’s book “The Quiet Storm” about the impact and legacy ofR&B groups is available now! Visit www.amaniexperience.com.Rate/review/subscribe to the Break the Business Podcast on iTunes, SoundCloud, Stitcher,

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1:00:46

BTB Ep 510: “Fair Use” in Anthropic copyright case;...

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2026/03/29

TOPICS: Ryan and Katie Z talk about how to select a good artist consultant; Universal Publishing submits a legal filing arguing that Anthropic’s use of song lyrics to train theClaude platform is not fair; our guest this week is musician and social activist Mike Cykoski. You can find out more about our guest’s work by visiting www.aisforatom.com. Rate/review/subscribe to the Break the Business Podcast on iTunes, SoundCloud, Stitcher, and Google Play. Follow Ryan @ryankair and the Break the Business

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1:04:20

BTB Ep 509: "The Lion King" defamation suit; Gateless...

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2026/03/22

TOPICS: Ryan and Gideon talk about the recent defamation suit involving the writer of theopening song to “The Lion King”, and use it as a springboard to discuss other notabledefamation claims and their broader impact on the entertainment industry. Our guest thisweek is publishing executive and Gateless CEO Brittany Perry. You can find out more aboutour guest’s work by visiting www.g8less.com.Rate/review/subscribe to the Break the Business Podcast on iTunes, SoundCloud, Stitcher, and Google Play

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59:07

BTB Ep 508: DOJ quits Live Nation lawsuit; musician...

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2026/03/15

TOPICS: Ryan and Zak talk about the DOJ settling the antitrust lawsuit with Live Nation, even though over two dozen states are continuing the fight; managing your mental health on tour; our guest this week is musician and author Bobbo Byrnes. Join us for a delightfully unhinged interview with a knowledgeable and engaging artist. Bobbo’s memoir “Too Many Miles: On the Road with an Unofficial Rock & Roll Goodwill Ambassador” is available now. You can find out more about our guest’s work by

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1:03:56

BTB Ep 507: Do you “own” music you create with AI?;...

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2026/03/08

TOPICS: The Dropout crew will be on ABC’s “The Rookie” TV series; Ryan and Katie answer a listener question about whether creators can own and commercialize the music they create with the help of an AI platform; our guest this week is award-winning singer-songwriter and Broadway actress Ava Della Pietra. Ava’s new single “3 AM” is available now, and you can find out more about our guest’s work by visiting www.avadellapietra.com.Rate/review/subscribe to the Break the Business Podcast on iTunes,

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58:37

BTB Ep. 506: Don’t throw stuff at your concerts;...

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2026/03/01

TOPICS: Ryan and Zak break down the Winter Olympics and the Donny Osmond concertlawsuit; Miley Cyrus Copyright litigation; our guest this week is Brian Popowitz, GeneralManagerat marketing agency Black Box. You can find out more about our guest’s work byvisiting www.blackbox.laRate/review/subscribe to the Break the Business Podcast on iTunes, SoundCloud, Stitcher, and Google Play. Follow Ryan @ryankair and the Break the Business Podcast @thebtbpodcast. Like Break the Business on Facebook and tell a

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1:01:41

BTB Ep 505: Music in an AI world; interview with...

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2026/02/22

TOPICS: Gideon King and Ryan discuss the Winter Olympics; what does it mean to be a human creator in an AI-driven world? Our guests this week are Ian and Danielle from the alt-rock act Orphan Prodigy. Orphan Prodigy’s debut album “Medication for a Modern World” is out now, and you can find out more by visiting orphanprodigy.com.Rate/review/subscribe to the Break the Business Podcast on iTunes, SoundCloud, Stitcher, and Google Play. Follow Ryan @ryankair and the Break the Business Podcast

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1:03:57

BTB Ep 504: Melania’s copyright kerfuffle; Andrew...

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2026/02/15

TOPICS: Ryan and ElisaRockDoc talk about the Bad Bunny halftime show; Ben Thornewill’sValentine’s Day song for Ryan and his wife; Jonny Greenwood is upset about his song being used in the Melania documentary; we talk to Andrew Corbett of fan-controlled multi-streaming platform VOLTA. You can find out more about our guest’s work by visitingwww.volta.live.Rate/review/subscribe to the Break the Business Podcast on iTunes, SoundCloud, Stitcher, and Google Play. Follow Ryan @ryankair and the Break the

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58:41

BTB Ep 503: Networking tips that work; musician...

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2026/02/08

TOPICS: Ryan is obsessed with the new Muppet Show; musician Ben Thornewillhas a great Valentine’s Day micro-commission strategy; Ryan and Katie have networking tips; we interview New Jersey-based indie artist Gregory McLoughlin. Gregory’s new self-titled album is available now, and you can find out more by visiting www.gregorymcloughlin.com.Rate/review/subscribe to the Break the Business Podcast on iTunes, SoundCloud, Stitcher, and Google Play. Follow Ryan @ryankair and the Break the Business

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1:03:22

BTB Ep 502: “Collective effervescence” in your live...

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2026/02/01

TOPICS: Ryan and ElisaRockDoc talk about how artists can build moments of crowd unity in their live shows; are artists more likely to peak with their debut album?; our guest this week is electropop artist and entrepreneur Bill “Downupright” Boulden. Support Bill’s latest Kickstarter for their upcoming album “Don’t You Put Words in My Mouth” by visitingtinyurl.com/dont-put-words.Rate/review/subscribe to the Break the Business Podcast on iTunes, SoundCloud, Stitcher, and Google Play. Follow Ryan

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1:02:34

BTB Ep 501: Bandcamp bans AI music; Kimball Gallagher...

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2026/01/25

TOPICS: Bandcamp has announced a ban on AI music on its platform; Stacie Orrico sues her former manager and label for sexual abuse; we interview social entrepreneur Kimball Gallagher of music NGO 88 International. You can find out more about our guest’s work byvisiting 88international.org.Rate/review/subscribe to the Break the Business Podcast on iTunes, SoundCloud, Stitcher, and Google Play. Follow Ryan @ryankair and the Break the Business Podcast @thebtbpodcast. Like Break the Business on Facebook

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1:05:03

Celebrating Episode 500 with Meri Amber and Hans...

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2026/01/18

Come and join Ryan Kairalla and Zak Sloan as we celebrate the 500th Episode milestone of Break the Business. Ryan reflects on what 500 episodes mean to him and what the plans are for the show going forward. Episode #1 guest Meri Amber joins the program for a musical performance. Our guest this week is Hans Schuman of nonprofit JazzReach. Find out more by visiting jazzreach.org.Rate/review/subscribe to the Break the Business Podcast on iTunes, SoundCloud, Stitcher, and Google Play. Follow Ryan

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59:00

BTB Ep 499: Public Domain Day 2026; Jill Goyeau of...

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2025/12/21

TOPICS: Ryan is happy that The Muppet Show is coming back in 2026; we answer a listener question about Christmas Carols being in the public domain, and Ryan, Zak Sloan, and Producer Lauren play a Public Domain game show; we interview Jill Goyeau of indie rock band Talking Violet. Talking Violet’s new single “Destroy” is available now, and you can find out more about our guest’s work by visiting www.talkingviolet.com.Rate/review/subscribe to the Break the Business Podcast on iTunes, SoundCloud,

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59:35

BTB Ep 498: New Year’s Resolutions; Blues Rock Artist...

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2025/12/14

TOPICS: Katie Zaccardi’s Les Mis party; we discuss Katie’s latest TikTok video; New Year’s resolutions for indie creators; we chat with acclaimed indie blues rock artist Leanne Binder. Leanne’s new EP “I Got Something to Say” is available now. Visit www.leannebindermusic.com to learn more!Rate/review/subscribe to the Break the Business Podcast on iTunes, SoundCloud, Stitcher, and Google Play. Follow Ryan @ryankair and the Break the Business Podcast @thebtbpodcast. Like Break the Business on Facebook

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59:34

BTB Ep 497: Cox v. Sony in the Supreme Court;...

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2025/12/07

TOPICS: If band names were literal, what would be the worst concert to go to; Ryan and ElisaRockDoc discuss the Cox v. Sony Music Supreme Court case about whether internetservice providers can be liable for the copyright infringement of their users; ElisaRockDoc Career Update; we answer a listener question about the differences between Corporations and LLCs and which type of entity should indie artists start up.Rate/review/subscribe to the Break the Business Podcast on iTunes, SoundCloud, Stitcher,

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58:27

BTB Ep 496: Warner settles with Suno; artist wealth...

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2025/11/30

TOPICS: Break the Business is back! Ryan’s son Nathan helps us celebrate our return by inexplicably crashing the show; Warner Music settles its copyright suit with Suno; Ireland expands its basic income program for artists; our guest this week is acclaimed artist wealth advisor Rick Morse. You can find out more about our guest’s work by visiting https://advisor.ml.com/sites/ny/melville-ny/morse-group.Rate/review/subscribe to the Break the Business Podcast on iTunes, SoundCloud, Stitcher, and Google

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1:02:41

BTB Ep 495: Open AI’s Copyright Opt Outs; we...

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2025/10/05

TOPICS: Open AI is requiring that copyright holders opt out of having their works used in the latest version of their Sora video generator; we interview recording artist, musician, comedian, and writer Victor Jones. You can find out more about our guest’swork by visiting www.victorjonesisaconstruct.com.Rate/review/subscribe to the Break the Business Podcast on iTunes, SoundCloud, Stitcher, and Google Play. Follow Ryan @ryankair and the Break the Business Podcast @thebtbpodcast. Like Break the

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1:01:17

BTB Ep 494: Why are people listening less to the ad -...

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2025/09/28

TOPICS: Ryan is obsessed with indie artist Victor Jones; people are listening less to ad-supported music streaming services— we talk about why and what impact it has on indie artists; should reality show contestants be classified as employees?; we interview Geoff Cubitt, the North American CEO of Strm Music, an AI-powered music distribution and artist services platform. You can find out more about our guest’s work by visiting www.strmmusic.com.Rate/review/subscribe to the Break the Business Podcast

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