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"The Cognitive Revolution" | AI Builders, Researchers, and Live Player Analysis

Erik Torenberg, Nathan Labenz

A biweekly podcast where hosts Nathan Labenz and Erik Torenberg interview the builders on the edge of AI and explore the dramatic shift it will unlock in the coming years. The Cognitive Revolution is part of the Turpentine podcast network. To learn more: turpentine.co

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136:08

The Machines Are Taking Our Jobs - Thank God? Emad...

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2025/09/28

Today, Emad Mostaque, founder of Intelligent Internet, joins The Cognitive Revolution to discuss his book "The Last Economy" and his radical "intelligence theory" framework for reimagining economics in the AI age, exploring concepts like the abundance trap, metabolic rift, and his proposed cryptocurrency-funded system of collectively-owned AI infrastructure to prevent digital feudalism and ensure AI benefits humanity rather than just capital owners.Shownotes brought to you by Notion AI Meeting

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81:09

Stripe's Payments Foundation Model: How Data & Infra...

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2025/09/25

Today, Emily Sands, head of data and AI at Stripe, joins The Cognitive Revolution to discuss how the company built a payments foundation model that processes tens of billions of transactions into dense embeddings, exploring the technical architecture behind fraud detection improvements and the modular approach that enables rapid deployment of AI across Stripe's $1.4 trillion payment network.Check out our sponsors: Google Gemini Notebook LM, Linear, AGNCY, Claude, Oracle Cloud

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87:00

Full-Stack AI Safety: Why Defense-in-Depth Might...

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2025/09/20

Today Adam Gleave, co-founder and CEO of FAR.AI, joins The Cognitive Revolution to discuss his cautiously optimistic vision for post-AGI futures and AI capability timelines across three distinct tiers, exploring the safety challenges and alignment techniques needed as FAR.AI scales from foundational research to policy advocacy to ensure their innovations actually get deployed in real-world systems.Check out our sponsors: Fin, Linear, Oracle Cloud Infrastructure. Shownotes below brought to you by

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128:56

Can We Stop AI Deception? Apollo Research Tests...

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2025/09/18

Today Marius Hobbhahn of Apollo Research joins The Cognitive Revolution to discuss their collaboration with OpenAI using "deliberative alignment" to reduce AI scheming behavior by 30x, exploring the safety challenges and concerning findings about models' growing situational awareness and increasingly cryptic reasoning patterns that emerge when frontier models like o3 and o4-mini operate with hidden chains of thought.Check out our sponsors: Fin, Linear, Oracle Cloud Infrastructure. Shownotes

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93:08

User-Owned AI: On-Chain Training, Inference, and...

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2025/09/13

Illia Polosukhin, co-author of the seminal "Attention Is All You Need" paper and founder of NEAR, unveils his ambitious vision for user-owned, privacy-preserving AI. This technical deep dive explores NEAR's foundational infrastructure, from its proof-of-stake consensus and leveraging NVIDIA's confidential computing for private inference with minimal overhead. Listeners will discover how NEAR aims to decentralize model training with cryptographically guaranteed returns and how blockchain can provide

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104:57

Coaching the Creators: Inside the Minds Building...

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2025/09/10

Today Joe Hudson, founder of Art of Accomplishment and coach to executives at major AI labs including OpenAI and Anthropic, joins The Cognitive Revolution to discuss the psychological patterns he observes among AI researchers and leaders, exploring what's missing beyond pure intelligence in current AI systems and arguing for supportive rather than punitive approaches toward those building frontier AI technology.Check out our sponsors: Linear, Oracle Cloud Infrastructure. Shownotes below brought

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193:14

Zvi Mowshowitz on Longer Timelines, RL-induced Doom,...

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2025/09/06

Today, Zvi Mowshowitz returns to The Cognitive Revolution to discuss how recent AI developments like GPT-5 and IMO gold medals have led to modestly extended timelines despite being on-trend, while policy missteps around chip exports to China and alignment challenges from reinforcement learning have increased risk assessments, covering everything from live players in the AI race to safety funding priorities and virtuous actions for navigating our current moment.Check out our sponsors: Linear,

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111:02

In-AI Advertising: Better Answers for Users, Big...

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2025/09/03

Today Ryan Hudson, Founder and CEO of ZeroClick, joins The Cognitive Revolution to discuss creating advertising infrastructure for AI applications through paid inference-time consideration of advertiser content, examining how to build sustainable monetization for free-tier AI services while learning from the successes and failures of social media's attention economy.Read the full transcript:

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114:55

Material Abundance: Radical AI’s Closed-Loop Lab...

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2025/08/30

Joseph Krause and Jorge Colindres, co-founders of Radical AI, unveil their "materials flywheel" – an integrated system combining frontier AI with autonomous labs to revolutionize materials discovery. They detail how this closed-loop system achieves unprecedented experimental throughput, addressing the costly and slow development cycle that plagues critical industries. Learn how their property-driven AI engine, multimodal data integration, and robotic labs are vertically integrated to create

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122:11

Untangling Neural Network Mechanisms: Goodfire's Lee...

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2025/08/27

Today Lee Sharkey of Goodfire joins The Cognitive Revolution to discuss his research on parameter decomposition methods that break down neural networks into interpretable computational components, exploring how his team's "stochastic parameter decomposition" approach addresses the limitations of sparse autoencoders and offers new pathways for understanding, monitoring, and potentially steering AI systems at the mechanistic level.Check out our sponsors: Oracle Cloud Infrastructure,

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124:18

What if Humans Weaponize Superintelligence, w/ Tom...

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2025/08/23

Today Tom Davidson of Forethought joins Gus Docker of the Future of Life Institute podcast to discuss AI-enabled coups and how future AI systems could help powerful individuals seize political control, exploring three threat models—singular loyalties, secret loyalties, and exclusive access—along with their estimated 10% likelihood over the next 30 years and potential mitigation strategies.Check out our sponsors: Oracle Cloud Infrastructure, Shopify. Shownotes below brought to you by Notion AI

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111:18

The AI Whistleblower Initiative: Supporting AGI...

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2025/08/20

Today Karl Koch, Co-Founder of the AI Whistleblower Initiative, joins The Cognitive Revolution to discuss the barriers preventing AI insiders from raising safety concerns, his organization's anonymous "Third Opinion" service connecting whistleblowers with independent experts, and their campaign demanding frontier AI companies publish their internal whistleblowing policies to address widespread retaliation and lack of transparency.Check out our sponsors: Oracle Cloud Infrastructure,

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108:43

Autonomous Organizations: Vending Bench & Beyond, w/...

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2025/08/16

Today Lukas Petersson and Axel Backlund of Andon Labs join The Cognitive Revolution to discuss their experiments deploying autonomous AI agents to run real-world vending machines, exploring the safety challenges and unexpected behaviors that emerge when frontier models like Claude and Grok operate without human oversight.Read transcript of the episode here. Check out our sponsors: Oracle Cloud Infrastructure, Shopify. Shownotes below brought to you by Notion AI Meeting Notes - try one month for

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194:15

Dean W. Ball on America's AI Action Plan & 4 Months...

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2025/08/13

Today Dean W. Ball, former White House AI policy advisor joins The Cognitive Revolution to discuss his role in crafting the Trump administration's AI Action Plan, his reasons for leaving government, and his perspectives on AI policy, US-China competition, and the future of AI regulation and adoption.Check out our sponsors: Fin, Labelbox, Oracle Cloud Infrastructure, Shopify. Shownotes below brought to you by Notion AI Meeting Notes - try one month for free at https://notion.com/lp/nathan

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72:31

Jake Sullivan on Navigating AI Uncertainty and...

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2025/08/09

Today Jake Sullivan, the U.S. National Security Advisor from 2021-2025 joins The Cognitive Revolution to discuss AI as a critical national security issue. Check out our sponsors: Labelbox, Oracle Cloud Infrastructure, Shopify. Shownotes below brought to you by Notion AI Meeting Notes - try one month for free at https://notion.com/lp/nathan Four-Category Framework: Sullivan organizes his thinking about AI into security, economics, society, and technology categories rather than focusing

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102:55

Sovereign AI: Geopolitical Strategy & Industrial...

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2025/08/06

Today Anjney Midha, General Partner at a16z joins The Cognitive Revolution to discuss sovereign AI and China's growing semiconductor capabilities.Check out our sponsors: Gemini CLI, Labelbox, Oracle Cloud Infrastructure, Shopify. Shownotes below brought to you by Notion AI Meeting Notes - try one month for free at https://notion.com/lp/nathan What is Sovereign AI? Varies by stakeholder - for enterprises it means controlling where AI workloads run, while for nation-states it represents both

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82:03

The Revolution in Services: General Catalyst's AI...

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2025/08/02

Marc Bhargava from General Catalyst discusses their Creation Strategy for building AI-enabled roll-ups – companies that start as vertical software startups, then grow by acquiring traditional service businesses and transforming them through AI automation. They explore how systematic analysis of 70 service categories identified 10 verticals where 30-70% of tasks are automatable today, potentially transforming low-margin service businesses into software-like companies with 30-40% margins. The

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105:36

Sovereign AI: Geopolitical Strategy & Industrial...

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2025/07/30

Anjney Midha from Andreessen Horowitz explores the strategic choices facing countries as the US and China dominate AI's fundamental inputs of talent, data, and compute. The conversation examines "Sovereign AI" from both enterprise and national perspectives, discussing how regulatory concerns are driving new competition from national champion AI companies in France, the UAE, and Saudi Arabia. They analyze what countries should do across the talent, data, and compute dimensions, debating whether

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134:58

Liability for AI Harms: How Ancient Law Can Govern...

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2025/07/26

Gabriel Weil from Touro University argues that liability law may be our best tool for governing AI development, offering a framework that can adapt to new technologies without requiring new legislation. The conversation explores how negligence, products liability, and "abnormally dangerous activities" doctrines could incentivize AI developers to properly account for risks to third parties, with liability naturally scaling based on the dangers companies create. They examine concrete scenarios

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116:29

Private Governance: Creating a Market in AI...

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2025/07/22

Dr. Gillian Hadfield from Johns Hopkins University and Andrew Freedman from Fathom discuss their innovative proposal to govern AI through private regulatory markets, which has been introduced as California's SB 813. Their system would separate democratic goal-setting from technical rule-making by having government bodies articulate safety outcomes while competitive private certifiers develop and enforce detailed standards, with companies receiving liability protection for compliance. The

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