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CISO Perspectives (public)

This season on CISO Perspectives, host Kim Jones explores some of the challenges of leading through uncertainty. We explore the complexity of the changing nature of regulation and working with the federal government, the evolution of privacy and fraud, and how emerging technologies like AI and quantum computing are changing cyber. When you don’t know what questions to ask, you’re afraid to ask, or don’t know who to ask, CISO Perspectives provides the foundation for learning in this brave new

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43:59

Season finale: Leading security in a brave new world.

CISO Perspectives (public) ·

2025/12/30

In the season finale of CSO Perspectives, Ethan Cook and Kim Jones reflect on a season of conversations exploring what it means to lead security in a rapidly evolving “brave new world.” From the realities behind AI hype and the slow-burn impact of quantum computing to the business forces shaping cybersecurity innovation, they revisit key lessons and lingering challenges facing today’s CISOs. The episode closes with an optimistic—but candid—look at why fundamentals, critical thinking, and leadership

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48:39

Tech Investment Strategies and Overview

CISO Perspectives (public) ·

2025/12/23

In this CISOP episode of CSO Perspectives, Host Kim Jones sits down with John Funge, venture capitalist at DataTribe, to explore how investors view the cybersecurity landscape. Kim reflects on the tension between innovation, profit motives, and the real needs of security practitioners—raising questions about whether the industry prioritizes mitigation over true solutions. John offers a candid look inside the VC decision-making process, breaking down how teams, market fit, and long-term defensibility

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39:16

Quantum

CISO Perspectives (public) ·

2025/12/16

In this episode, host Kim Jones tacks a topic that is rapidly moving from theoretical to operational reality: quantum computing. While classical computing will remain the backbone of our systems for years to come, quantum technologies are advancing fast enough that CISOs must begin preparing today. Kim explores what quantum computing really means, why it matters for cybersecurity, and how leaders should begin planning for its inevitable impact. To help demystify the subject, Kim is joined by

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41:07

AI and cyber practicum

CISO Perspectives (public) ·

2025/12/09

In this episode, host Kim Jones examines the rapid rise of enterprise AI and the tension between innovation and protection, sharing an RSA anecdote that highlights both excitement and concern. He outlines the benefits organizations hope to gain from AI while calling out often-overlooked risks like data quality, governance, and accountability. Kim is joined by technologist Tony Gauda to discuss why AI represents a fundamental shift in how systems and decisions are designed. Together, they explore

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40:55

AI's impact on business

CISO Perspectives (public) ·

2025/12/02

In this episode, Kim Jones sits down with Eric Nagel, a former CISO with a rare blend of engineering, legal, and patent expertise, to unpack what responsible AI really looks like inside a modern enterprise. Eric breaks down the difference between traditional machine learning and generative AI, why nondeterministic outputs can be both powerful and risky, and how issues like bias, hallucinations, and data leakage demand new safeguards—including AI firewalls. He also discusses what smaller

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46:37

A midseason takeaway.

CISO Perspectives (public) ·

2025/11/25

In this mid-season episode, Kim takes a step back to reflect on the conversations he has had so far. During the episode, Kim sits down with N2K's own Ethan Cook to connect the dots across episodes, diving into how new technologies are impacting longstanding challenges, both from a security standpoint and from an attacker's view. Whether you're catching up or tuning in weekly, this episode offers a thoughtful recap and fresh perspective on where we've been—and what's still to come.

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40:14

Fraud and Identity

CISO Perspectives (public) ·

2025/11/18

Managing identity has been an evolving challenge as networks have only continued to grow and become more sophisticated. In this current landscape, these challenges have only become further exacerbated with new emerging technologies. In this episode of CISO Perspectives, host ⁠Kim Jones⁠ sits down with Richard Bird from Singular AI to discuss this evolving paradigm. Throughout this conversation, Kim and Richard tackle how managing identity has evolved and how security leaders can get ahead of AI to

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36:51

The changing face of fraud.

CISO Perspectives (public) ·

2025/11/11

Fraud has always been a consistent challenge. As the world has continued to become increasingly interconnected and as new technologies have become widely available, threat actors have continued to evolve their tactics. In this episode of CISO Perspectives, host ⁠Kim Jones⁠ sits down with Mel Lanning from the Better Business Bureau to discuss fraud and how it has been evolving in recent years. From exploiting cryptocurrencies to utilizing emerging technologies, Kim and Mel look into how threat

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36:08

Privacy needs where you least expect it

CISO Perspectives (public) ·

2025/11/04

When discussing privacy risks, many often look to implementing strong encryption, secure data storage practices, and data sanitization processes to help ensure sensitive information remains protected. Though these practices are good and should be prioritized, many often miss other key areas that need just as much focus. As the internet of things has only continued to grow larger and larger, so has the risk these devices inherently create as they collect and store more information than many would

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42:04

The impact of data privacy on cyber.

CISO Perspectives (public) ·

2025/10/28

Privacy is one of the most universally valued rights. Yet, despite its importance, data breaches exposing millions of people's sensitive information have become routine. Many have come to assume that their personal data has already been, or inevitably will be, compromised. Despite this reality, prioritizing privacy is more important than ever. In this episode of CISO Perspectives, host ⁠Kim Jones⁠ sits down with Kristy Westphal, the Global Security Director of Spirent Communications, to explore

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41:23

Regulation takeaways with Ethan Cook.

CISO Perspectives (public) ·

2025/10/21

On this episode, host Kim Jones is joined by Ethan Cook, N2K’s lead analyst and editor, for a deeper, more reflective conversation on cybersecurity regulation, privacy, and the future of policy. This episode steps back from the news cycle to connect the dots and explore where the regulatory landscape is heading — and why it matters.Ethan, who will join the show regularly this season to provide big-picture analysis after major policy conversations, shares his perspective on the evolving balance

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38:30

The existing state of regulation.

CISO Perspectives (public) ·

2025/09/23

Regulation is a double-edged sword. While it helps create structure, establish accountability, and set standards, it also creates unnecessary hurdles, slower response times, and overly rigid systems. With every administration, policy goals and subsequently regulatory stances change, which can have major impacts on business operations.In this episode of CISO Perspectives, host ⁠Kim Jones⁠ sits down with Ben Yelin, from the University of Maryland Center for Cyber Health and Hazard Strategies, to

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1:36

The return of CISO Perspectives.

CISO Perspectives (public) ·

2025/09/16

This season on CISO Perspectives—your host, Kim Jones is digging into the issues shaping the future of cybersecurity leadership. From the regulations every CISO needs to understand, to the unexpected places privacy risks are emerging, to the new ways fraud and identity are colliding—these conversations will sharpen your strategies and strengthen your defenses.Industry leaders join the discussion to share their insights, challenges, and hard-earned lessons. Together, we’ll connect the dots across

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56:12

Bringing it all together.

CISO Perspectives (public) ·

2025/07/08

In the season finale of CISOP, Kim Jones is joined by N2K’s own Ethan Cook to reflect on the conversations that shaped this season. Together, they revisit standout moments from Kim’s interviews, unpacking their significance and getting Ethan’s fresh perspective on the cybersecurity workforce challenge—as someone viewing the industry from the outside.Since the mid-season reflection, Kim has explored a wide range of workforce issues, including skills mapping, talent identification, and the evolving

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42:57

Mid season reflection with Kim Jones.

CISO Perspectives (public) ·

2025/06/10

In this mid-season episode, Kim takes a step back to reflect on the journey so far—revisiting key conversations, standout moments, and recurring themes that have shaped the season. During the episode, Kim sits down with N2K's own Ethan Cook to connect the dots across episodes, uncovering deeper patterns and takeaways. Whether you're catching up or tuning in weekly, this episode offers a thoughtful recap and fresh perspective on where we've been—and what's still to come.Learn more about your ad

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40:47

How do you gain “experience” in cyber without a job...

CISO Perspectives (public) ·

2025/04/29

Show Notes: While the cybersecurity industry has expanded and grown in recent years, newcomers still struggle to gain relevant "experience" before officially beginning their cyber careers. In this episode of CISO Perspectives, host Kim Jones sits down with Kathleen Smith, the Chief Outreach Officer at clearedjobs.net and the co-host of Security Cleared Jobs: Who’s Hiring & How, to discuss this dilemma and what new entrants can do to account for these difficulties. Throughout the conversation,

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46:03

Are we a trade or a profession?

CISO Perspectives (public) ·

2025/04/22

Show Notes: Cybersecurity has an identity problem where the industry as a whole is struggling to determine whether it is a trade or a profession. In this episode of CISO Perspectives, host Kim Jones sits down with Larry Whiteside Jr., the Chief Advisory Officer for The CISO Society, to discuss this identity crisis and how the industry as a whole connects to both of these labels. Throughout the conversation, Larry and Kim will discuss the merits and drawbacks of both labels and how cybersecurity

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42:06

Is the cyber talent ecosystem broken?

CISO Perspectives (public) ·

2025/04/15

Show Notes: The cyber talent ecosystem faces severe indigestion, which has stifled growth and closed doors to new talent. In this episode of CISO Perspectives, host Kim Jones sits down with Ed Adams, the Head of Cybersecurity for North America at the Bureau Veritas Group, to discuss what has caused this indigestion and how leadership can better address these challenges. A key aspect of this conversation revolved around discussing Ed's book, See Yourself in Cyber: Security Careers Beyond Hacking,

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0:47

CISO Perspectives is back!

CISO Perspectives (public) ·

2025/04/08

In CISO Perspectives, Kim Jones, a CISO with over four decades of real-world security and risk management experience, sits down with industry leaders throughout this series for candid conversations that share their experiences and perspectives about the cybersecurity industry and the many challenges it faces. Whether it be cybersecurity leadership, talent ecosystems, career entry points, or certifications, these conversations will help you build a stronger and more impactful cyber ecosystem within

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19:59

So you want to write a book about AI and cybersecurity?

CISO Perspectives (public) ·

2024/11/25

Rick Howard, N2K CyberWire’s Chief Analyst and Senior Fellow, turns over hosting duties to Caroline Wong, the Chief Strategy Officer at Cobalt to discuss the mechanics of writing a cybersecurity book about AI.References: Ben Smith. “Security Metrics: A Beginner’s Guide” Review [Review]. Cybersecurity Canon Project. Caroline Wong, 2011. Security Metrics, A Beginner’s Guide [Book]. Goodreads. Rick Howard, Caroline Wong, 2022. Interview with Author and Hall of Fame winner Caroline Wong [Interview]

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