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SPILL THE (GREEN) TEA: How to talk about sustainability without getting called out

Katie Treggiden, Malin Cunningham

Making Design Circular is evolving. With a new name, a new remit, and a new co-host, this next chapter is all about one of the most urgent conversations in business today: how to talk about sustainability with honesty, nuance, and confidence. Katie Treggiden is joined by Malin Cunningham, founder of B Corp-certified B2B thought leadership consultancy Hattrick, to launch Spill the Green Tea – a podcast exploring how brands can communicate their environmental efforts without tipping into

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SPILL THE (GREEN) TEA: How to talk about...

SPILL THE (GREEN) TEA: How to talk about... ·

2026/02/25

Making Design Circular is evolving.With a new name, a new remit, and a new co-host, this next chapter is all about one of the most urgent conversations in business today: how to talk about sustainability with honesty, nuance, and confidence. Katie Treggiden is joined by Malin Cunningham, founder of B Corp-certified B2B thought leadership consultancy Hattrick, to launch Spill the Green Tea – a podcast exploring how brands can communicate their environmental efforts without tipping into greenwashing…

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Brackish - S6 E16 Bernadette Russell & Out Beyond...

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2025/10/29

In this episode, Katie speaks with Bernadette Russell, a storyteller, author and passionate tree planter whose work invites us to pay closer attention to the quiet magic of everyday life. Bernadette weaves together stories, community action and environmental care into a body of work that is both deeply hopeful and fiercely grounded.“Hope isn’t passive – it requires action. It’s a practice.” - Bernadette RussellWe cover:- What inspired her to do a daily act of kindness for 366 days – and how it

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Brackish - S6 E15 Stefanie Cheong & It Could Be Worse

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2025/10/15

Trigger Warning: We discuss the sudden loss of a loved one. If this is something you are experiencing right now or have a sensitivity towards, please listen with caution. In this episode, Katie speaks with Stefanie Cheong, an artist jeweller and educator based in Scotland, whose work sits at the intersection of geology, anthropology, and environmentalism.Stefanie explores the deep time stories of our planet through jewellery, objects, and collaborations — from cutting Scottish rocks to creating new

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Brackish - S6 E14: Emmi Salonen & What I learnt from...

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2025/10/01

In this episode, Katie speaks with Emmi Salonen, a Finnish graphic designer, creative director and educator, about creative wellbeing, burnout recovery, and how nature, travel and making connect us back to purpose.Emmi is the founder of London-based Studio Emmi, known for championing Positive Creativity – the belief that design can foster wellbeing, connection, and sustainable choices. In this conversation, she shares the story behind her new book The Creative Wellbeing Handbook, how burnout changed

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68:40

Brackish - S6 E13: Kerry Tottingham & How to spot a...

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2025/09/17

In this episode, Katie speaks with Kerry Tottingham, a social change designer and Strategic Lead of A Brilliant Thing CIC. Kerry’s work sits at the intersection of healing, systems change and creativity, and through her framework Healing-Centred Design®, she helps leaders and organisations transform adversity into energy, action and impact.“Hope isn’t an emotion. It’s an everyday action.” - Kerry TottinghamIn this conversation, Kerry shares her personal and professional journey, from working in egg

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Brackish - S6 E12: Helen Bowkett & Hireth

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2025/09/03

In this episode, Katie speaks with Helen Bowkett, a jack-of-all-trades craftswoman, Cornish Hedging Trainer, co-founder of the Cornwall Rural Education and Skills Trust (CREST), and Director of the Landwise Collective CIC.“The hedge is a portal to the wild and to deep time. It holds stories and seeds and something we’re on the edge of remembering.” - Helen BowkettHelen is a woman of many hats (and muddy boots). With a background spanning traditional craft, coach education, regenerative agriculture,

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Brackish - S6 E11: Sarah Hakewill & Still

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2025/08/20

In this episode, Katie speaks with Sarah Hakewill, a Coastal Coach, Culture & Change Strategist, and Londoner turned seaside dweller, about the power of cold water, community, and the sea as a space for reimagining our lives.“Being in the water is one of the only times my neurodivergent brain powers down. It’s like being transported to another universe.” - Sarah HakewillAfter 40+ years in London, Sarah moved to Margate during a time of personal upheaval and discovered the life-changing magic of

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Brackish - S6 E10: Lucy Beckley & Early

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2025/08/06

In this episode, Katie speaks with Lucy Beckley, a writer, poet, and creative writing facilitator based in Cornwall, about creativity, motherhood, and defiant hope. “We don’t always get what we’re expecting when we pay attention. But often, we find something just as beautiful.” - Lucy BeckleyLucy holds an MA in Professional Writing from Falmouth University and a Postgraduate Certificate in Teaching Creative Writing from Cambridge University. Her poetry has been shortlisted for multiple awards,

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Brackish - S6 E9: Sas Petherick & Blackout Poem #5

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2025/07/23

In this episode, Katie speaks with Sas Petherick, a self-belief coach, writer, speaker, and podcast host whose work explores the connection between self-doubt, self-trust, and meaningful living. “Every small thing you do to create the world you want to live in has epic ripple effects that you may not see.” – Sas PetherickSas believes that healing our self-doubt is one of the most important contributions we can make to ourselves, our families, our work, and the world. She holds a Master's degree

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Brackish - S6 E8: Sophie Austin & Blackout Poem #8

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2025/07/09

In this episode, Katie speaks with Sophie Austin, a multidisciplinary director, writer and producer, about how storytelling can become an act of regeneration, resistance, and community building. Sophie’s work spans theatre, film, and audio, and she is passionate about amplifying voices from both marginalised human and more-than-human communities. She is the founder of Teatro Vivo and SHH Productions, and currently serves as Creative Director at CHANGE Festival.“I want to find the people I trust in

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Brackish - S6 E7 Alex Dunkley & Blackberry Jelly...

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2025/06/24

In this episode, Katie speaks with Alex Dunkley - a writer, musician, and independent funeral celebrant – about creativity, courage, and the quiet power of ritual.Alex weaves all three aspects of her work in and alongside each other kaleidoscopically, and identifies as being AuDHD. Her work invites stories into the room—whether that's through song, ceremony, or the written word—exploring how narrative can hold space for grief, joy, and everything in between. She’s deeply fascinated by the stories of

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Brackish - S6 E6 Juliet Bennett & Yes, after Adrian...

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2025/06/11

In this episode, Katie speaks with Juliet Bennett, to explore how wild swimming, coaching, and nature combine to create powerful, transformative experiences. From the clarity of lake water to coaching on windswept beaches, Juliet shares her journey into blue health, her love for cold water immersion, and how outdoor coaching is opening up new ways for people to find purpose, hope, and connection."I added the word 'broken' to my brand because I needed people to know that there was space for them,

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Brackish - S6 E5 Amy Wilson & The Fish

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2025/04/16

In this episode, Katie Treggiden speaks with Amy Wilson. Amy is an artistic and adventurous soul, wielding the epic powers of creativity daily at her studio, Acorn. She is passionate about creating brands, stories, and art in the world that shift paradigms and expand perspectives. Amy advocates for childlike play, the power of the imagination, Mother Earth, and the future - among other things! She is abstract, imperfect, free, and wildly creative."I added the word 'broken' to my brand because I

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Brackish - S6 E4 Kirsty Tanner & The Kitchen Windowsill

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2025/04/03

In this episode, Katie Treggiden speaks with Kirsty Tanner, a Scottish multi-disciplinary artist, designer and maker, living in Liverpool. She runs design studio Tom Pigeon alongside her personal practice working across paint, textiles and collage. Kirsty's childhood in rural Scotland meets her love of Modernist design and Brutalist architecture, combining abstract expressions of nature with strong architectural line and negative space. Kirsty has worked on collaborative collections with clients

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Brackish - S6 E3 Joanne Lamb & Trying

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2025/03/19

In this episode, Katie Treggiden speaks with Joanne Lamb, an Irish artist based in London, who creates delicate woven vessels inspired by nature and the Celtic Wheel of the Year."I want each of the baskets to tell a story, they are imbued with a sense of time and place for me. The power of telling stories helps us connect with nature, event the earliest humans have done that." – Joanne LambWhat we cover:* Joanne's artistic process and how she creates delicate vessels that look "grown rather than

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Brackish - S6 E2 Agnes Becker & The Cormorant

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2025/02/12

Brackish is a term used to describe water that is a mixture of saltwater and freshwater, for example, where a river meets the sea. ‘I first encountered it sitting in a boat in just such water and it immediately became one of my favourite words. I am fascinated by intersections, liminal and littoral spaces, overlaps and interconnections, and I want to use this space to explore all of those things – the ideas that don’t fit into neat boxes.So, I’ll be exploring those things here – the places where

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39:56

Brackish - S6 E1 Joeli & The Crumb

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2025/01/22

Brackish is a term used to describe water that is a mixture of saltwater and freshwater, for example, where a river meets the sea. ‘I first encountered it sitting in a boat in just such water and it immediately became one of my favourite words. I am fascinated by intersections, liminal and littoral spaces, overlaps and interconnections, and I want to use this space to explore all of those things – the ideas that don’t fit into neat boxes.So, I’ll be exploring those things here – the places where

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00:41:48

In Conversation with... Elle Bower-Johnston

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2024/08/22

In this episode, Katie talks to Elle Bower Johnston. Elle (she/they) is a body witch. Their work is the alchemisation of breathwork, somatic, and rest practices with witchcraft and folk magic. She works with creatives, witches, queers, change-makers, weirdos - folks who might not necessarily feel like they belong in ‘wellness’ or ‘spiritual’ spaces - to help them get into deeper their relationship with their body and connect with their magic.Her work is queer- and trans-centred, trauma-conscious,

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00:51:40

In Conversation with... Rosie Murphy

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2024/08/15

In this episode, Katie talks to Rosie Murphy. Rosie is a consummate communicator and connector.She is just one of a broad ecosystem of architectural workers uniting for greater social justice and environmental consciousness in all aspects of the built environment. She is an advocate for networks such as Black Females in Architecture, HomeGrown Plus and Architects Climate Action Network. Rosie's work is centred on youth engagement, creating creative opportunities and experiences for children and

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00:40:46

In Conversation with ... Jo Casey

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2024/08/08

**This episode was originally an Instagram Live, so at the point of going live on the podcast, the rest challenge we talk about has already happened – however, the Making Design Circular Conference is happening on Thursday 05 September 2024 – find out more get your ticket for that HERE >>> ** In this episode, Katie talks to Jo Casey. Jo Casey is an Autistic and ADHD speaker and business coach who helps fellow quirky-brained entrepreneurs align their business strategies with their unique mental

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