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The Curiosity Shop with Brené Brown and Adam Grant

Vox Media Podcast Network

Research professor Brené Brown and organizational psychologist Adam Grant are partnering on a new weekly podcast grounded in an unflinching commitment to learning and unlearning. At a time when public discourse rewards certainty over inquiry, The Curiosity Shop features two of the world"s most sought-after experts on connection, change, and leadership making the case for slowing down, asking better questions, and embracing informed complexity over easy answers. Bringing together their left and right

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59:44

Overconfidence and the Art of Knowing Yourself

The Curiosity Shop with Brené Brown and Adam Grant ·

2026/04/09

What happens when your confidence outruns your competence? Brené and Adam start with freestyle skiing champ Eileen Gu’s extraordinary Olympic press conference and use it to explore metacognition—how to notice your thinking, question it, and change it on purpose. They dig into the Dunning–Kruger effect, calibration, journaling, and feedback, discuss why we’re so bad at estimating timelines, and consider how “I’ve got this” energy can quietly wreck projects, relationships, and learning. From

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62:59

Mission vs. Ego: The Dangers of Narcissistic Leadership

The Curiosity Shop with Brené Brown and Adam Grant ·

2026/04/02

This week, Brené and Adam are live at SXSW! They explore why so many people are vulnerable to narcissistic leaders. The conversation covers the conditions that breed narcissistic leadership, the roles of shame and fear, and how to survive a narcissistic boss, and what it means to lead with mission over ego.You can find The Curiosity Shop on YouTube and Instagram (@thecuriosityshop). Chapters: 0:00 - Introduction 3:14 - Why People Are Vulnerable to Narcissistic Leaders 12:21 - Shame-Based

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70:50

How This Podcast Could Fail

The Curiosity Shop with Brené Brown and Adam Grant ·

2026/03/26

Brené and Adam have a bracingly honest conversation about what could go wrong in their collaboration, and how to set new teams, partnerships, and friendships up for success. They discuss the science of avoiding failure and building alignment, and practical strategies for navigating differences—including their own clashing instincts around minimalism vs. maximalism and sarcasm vs. trashtalk. The episode closes with what each of them is listening to, watching, and reading right now.Chapters:

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62:15

Brené and Adam on What They Will Never Agree On

The Curiosity Shop with Brené Brown and Adam Grant ·

2026/03/20

Welcome to The Curiosity Shop! In the inaugural episode, Brené and Adam discuss how a public disagreement about authenticity almost ended their relationship before it began. For the first time, they discuss where they went wrong, why they changed their minds about each other, and what they learned about repair and trust. They also explore what healthy authenticity looks like, and dive into the many things they may still never fully see eye to eye on – from email vs. texting to remote work to

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0:27

Welcome to The Curiosity Shop

The Curiosity Shop with Brené Brown and Adam Grant ·

2026/03/15

Research professor Brené Brown and organizational psychologist Adam Grant are partnering on a new weekly podcast grounded in an unflinching commitment to learning and unlearning. At a time when public discourse rewards certainty over inquiry, The Curiosity Shop will see two of the world’s most influential thought leaders make the case for slowing down, asking better questions, and embracing informed complexity over easy answers. Bringing together their left and right brain sensibilities — she’s a

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21:38

Brené on Strong Ground Ask Me Anything, Part 2 of 2

The Curiosity Shop with Brené Brown and Adam Grant ·

2025/11/05

In the second part of an Ask Me Anything episode around Strong Ground, Brené shares an excerpt from the Strong Ground audiobook that walks listeners through the one topic that elicited the most questions — the Above/Below the Line practice. This is one of the most profound self-awareness tools we discovered!Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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25:39

Brené on Strong Ground Ask Me Anything, Part 1 of 2

The Curiosity Shop with Brené Brown and Adam Grant ·

2025/10/29

In part one of an Ask Me Anything episode around Strong Ground, Brené answers questions from listeners about mindset shifts, leading from where you are, and courage and boldness in uncertain times. She highlights the importance of pausing during big decisions where action is not always impact, breaks down how to be courageous when it’s not the popular choice, and emphasizes the role of curiosity and thoughtfulness when moving through uncertainty and overwhelm.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit

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35:15

Brené and Adam Grant on Rewarding Effort With Time

The Curiosity Shop with Brené Brown and Adam Grant ·

2025/10/22

In the final episode of a special “Dare to Lead” series with Adam Grant, Brené and Adam discuss the problem with rewarding all effort as excellence. Instead, leaders should reward effort that is not leading to success or mastery with their time through coaching, mentoring, and sharing their own experiences of transformation and change. They also explore how to approach decisions based on how consequential and reversible they are and highlight the role that leaders play in setting up others for

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48:09

Brené and Adam Grant on the Skillsets of Empathy

The Curiosity Shop with Brené Brown and Adam Grant ·

2025/10/15

In the fifth episode of a special “Dare to Lead” series with Adam Grant, Brené and Adam break down the skillsets of empathy, empathy misses, and how empathy is trickier than walking in someone else’s shoes. They discuss the way empathy can show up as being curious and caring — irreducible prerequisites for good leadership. Brené shares a powerful sentence for leaders building an empathy skillset: “What does support from me look like right now?”Learn more about your ad choices. Visit

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32:19

Brené and Adam Grant on Empathy vs. Enmeshment

The Curiosity Shop with Brené Brown and Adam Grant ·

2025/10/08

In the fourth episode of a special “Dare to Lead” series with Adam Grant, Brené and Adam explore the attack on empathy, the difference between cognitive empathy and affective empathy, and what separates empathy from enmeshment. Brené shares a personal story that led to a breakthrough around how to stay aligned with empathy and perspective taking instead of over-identifying and finding yourself in enmeshment — the feeling of not knowing where you end and someone else begins. They also discuss how

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38:02

Brené and Adam Grant on Time Scarcity, Asking...

The Curiosity Shop with Brené Brown and Adam Grant ·

2025/10/01

In the third part of a special series with Adam Grant, Brené and Adam tackle the topics of time scarcity, how a great leader doesn’t have all the right answers, but the right questions, and the difference between pocket presence and executive presence. They dig into how understanding the 5 Cs — color, context, connective tissue, cost, and consequence — of delegation and strategy operations can build the situational awareness, temporal awareness, systems theory, and critical thinking skills necessary

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36:26

Brené and Adam Grant on the Paradox Tug of War and...

The Curiosity Shop with Brené Brown and Adam Grant ·

2025/09/24

In part two of a special series with Adam Grant on Brené’s new book, Strong Ground, Brené and Adam discuss the far and near enemies of generosity, the tug of war of paradox, and sports as leadership theater. They explore how finding our strong ground offers tethering, connection, and stability, and also the platform for explosive movement and change.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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58:33

Brené on Lock-In and Lock-Through Power

The Curiosity Shop with Brené Brown and Adam Grant ·

2025/09/23

In this special Dare to Lead episode, Brené shares one of her favorite chapters from the Strong Ground audiobook called Lock-In and Lock-Through Power. Brené uses the metaphor of a boat lock to explore the tricky work-to-home and professional-to-personal transitions that we have to navigate with our partners, children, and friends. She digs into why, at the end of a hard day, when we finally arrive home, we stay in our cars and scroll through TikTok rather than going inside, and how an intentional

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58:34

Brené and Adam Grant on Finding Our Strong Ground

The Curiosity Shop with Brené Brown and Adam Grant ·

2025/09/17

In the first episode of a special series on Brené's new book, Strong Ground, Brené and Adam dig into the origins of Strong Ground, and what values clarity can mean for individuals, teams, and organizations. They take on the question of why there is so much more meaning in our lives and our work when we know who we are and what matters to us the most.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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44:46

Brené and Barrett reflect on the "Living Beyond Human...

The Curiosity Shop with Brené Brown and Adam Grant ·

2024/05/15

In this episode Brené and Barrett discuss their learnings on AI and social media and some of their favorite nuggets from each of the guests in the series.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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85:46

Dr. Joy Buolamwini on Unmasking AI: My Mission to...

The Curiosity Shop with Brené Brown and Adam Grant ·

2024/05/08

In this episode, Brené and Dr. Joy discuss fighting bias in algorithms, Gender Shades - the accuracy of AI powered gender classification products, and her amazing perspective on technology as a poet, artist, and scientist. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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50:15

Lisa Gevelber on Technology and AI for Good

The Curiosity Shop with Brené Brown and Adam Grant ·

2024/05/01

In this episode, Brené and Lisa discuss how we can work to close the digital divide and ensure more people have access to technology, what it means in AI speak to have a human in the loop, and the incredible ways teachers, business owners, and regular people are using AI.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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74:16

Futurist Amy Webb on What's Coming (and What's Here)

The Curiosity Shop with Brené Brown and Adam Grant ·

2024/04/24

Quantitative futurist Amy Webb talks to us about the three technologies that make up the "super cycle" that we're all living through right now: artificial intelligence, wearable devices, and biotechnology, and why, despite the unnerving change, we still need to do some serious future planning. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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55:40

Brené with Paul Leonardi and Tsedal Neeley on The...

The Curiosity Shop with Brené Brown and Adam Grant ·

2022/12/27

In Part 2 of my conversation with Paul Leonardi and Tsedal Neeley, authors of The Digital Mindset: What It Really Takes to Thrive in the Age of Data, Algorithms, and AI, we talk about the importance of establishing a baseline digital literacy in our organizations and the intimate relationship between the skill sets and the mindsets we cultivate.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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43:57

Brené with Paul Leonardi and Tsedal Neeley on The...

The Curiosity Shop with Brené Brown and Adam Grant ·

2022/12/19

This two-part podcast with Paul Leonardi and Tsedal Neeley is an absolute game changer. Given how often I find myself working with leaders who are knee-high in uncertainty and vulnerability around digital transformation, I thought I had a pretty solid understanding of it. But The Digital Mindset book and this conversation turned everything upside down. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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