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The Trial

The Trial goes behind the headlines of some of the biggest trials in the world. We take you into the courtroom, bringing you the detail as the evidence unfolds, examining key moments and carrying out exclusive interviews with detectives, victims, and experts.For ad-free listening to The Trial, exclusive bonus episodes every week, and complete access to previous series of the show, subscribe to The Crime Desk now. Visitwww.thecrimedesk.com to become a member. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy

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18:19

The McCann 'Stalkers' - The ‘Stalker’s’ Story

The Trial ·

2025/10/28

In this episode Caroline and Claire have the words of Julia Wandelt as she gave evidence for the first time in her defence. She told the jury she wouldn’t have pursued the McCanns if they’d just done a DNA test. It’s also now emerged she was being advised on her media strategy by a publicist in the UK and a Psychic in the US.The Trial series uses actors and some voices generated by AI. Their words are taken as verbatim from the official court transcript.Follow us on instagram @thetrialpodEmail

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A hello and update from Caroline & Liz

The Trial ·

2025/10/27

It's been a while since Caroline & Liz had time to catch up and say hello to you all, and with the launch of our exciting new Crime Desk newsletter, thought now was as good a time as any!sign up to the newsletter at newsletter.thecrimedesk.com for free. Become a full member of The Crime Desk with a month’s free trial atwww.thecrimedesk.comThe Trial series uses actors and some voices generated by AI. Their words are taken as verbatim from the official court transcript.Follow us on instagram

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30:10

The McCann Stalkers - “I’m not a nasty person”

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2025/10/24

In this episode we have the words of the two women on trial. Julia Wandelt told police she was the victim and Karen Spragg accused the McCanns of organising the abduction of their daughter Madeleine. She also said she wasn’t a nasty person.The Trial series uses actors and some voices generated by AI. Their words are taken as verbatim from the official court transcript.Follow us on instagram @thetrialpodEmail usthetrial@dailymail.comWhatsapp us+447796657512(start your message with ‘Trial’)A Daily

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36:21

High School Stabbing - Harvey’s Killer Named and Jailed

The Trial ·

2025/10/22

The killer of schoolboy Harvey Willgoose has been named and jailed. Umar Khan was 15 when he stabbed Harvey during the school lunch break in February this year. Today, as he was sent to prison for 16 years, his identity was revealed for the first time. In this episode Caroline and Jack have all the details from Sheffield Crown Court.Follow us on Tiktok @DailyMailCrimeEmail us thetrial@mailmetromedia.co.ukWhatsapp us +447796657512 (start your message with ‘Trial’)Presenters: Caroline Cheetham and

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26:34

The McCann Stalkers - The Chats with Chat GPT

The Trial ·

2025/10/21

Today Caroline and Claire have the evidence that Julia Wandelt had to be convinced she was not two other missing children before she decided she was Madeleine McCann. We also have the evidence from a forensic expert who said her DNA proved she was not Madeleine and we have what Chat GPT told her when she asked if she might be Gerry McCann’s daughter. The Trial series uses actors and some voices generated by AI. Their words are taken as verbatim from the official court transcript.Follow us on

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28:54

The McCann 'Stalkers' - The DNA Evidence

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2025/10/17

Join Caroline and Claire today for the evidence which the jury have been told is the “conclusive proof” Julia Wandelt is not Madeleine McCann - her DNA. We also have the evidence from two friends of the McCanns who were in Portugal when Madeleine was snatched, who say they were also asked by Julia Wandelt to help her get to the McCanns. And we have some of the details on the man who is the “prime suspect” in Madeleine’s abduction. The Trial series uses actors and some voices generated by AI. Their

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25:25

The McCann 'Stalkers' - “I’m not a Liar”

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2025/10/14

Join Caroline and Claire as the jury in Leicester are told for the first time that Julia Wandelt’s DNA was tested and proved she is not Madeleine McCann. In today’s episode we also have the dozens of voice messages and texts she was sending to Kate McCann.The Trial series uses actors and some voices generated by AI. Their words are taken as verbatim from the official court transcript.Follow us on instagram @thetrialpodEmail usthetrial@dailymail.comWhatsapp us+447796657512(start your message with

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25:38

The McCann 'Stalkers' - The “relentless” stalking of...

The Trial ·

2025/10/10

Join Caroline and Claire as they bring you the latest from the trial of the McCann “stalkers”. In this episode we’ve got the evidence of Kate and Gerry McCann who said the actions of the two women on trial were relentless and distressing. Gerry also said the family still have a glimmer of hope that Madelaine is still alive and Julia Wandelt could have put the investigation at risk. We also have the moment that Julia Wandelt screamed at Kate McCann “why are you doing this to me.” The Trial series

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16:22

The McCann 'Stalkers' - “Emotional Blackmail of the...

The Trial ·

2025/10/07

In this episode Caroline and Claire have the moment the court in Leicester were told two women accused of stalking Madeleine McCann’s family accosted them at the family home. They also joked about riffling through their bins. The prosecution say Julia Wandelt used emotional blackmail to try to convince the family she was Madeleine.The Trial series uses actors and some voices generated by AI. Their words are taken as verbatim from the official court transcript.Follow us on instagram @thetrialpodEmail

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14:14

The McCann 'Stalkers' - “She is not Madeleine”

The Trial ·

2025/10/06

In this episode Caroline and Claire have the opening day of trial of two women accused of stalking the family of Madeleine McCann. Julie Wandelt is accused of pursuing the family by email, call and text claiming to be their missing daughter who was abducted from Portugal in 2007. Karen Sprat is also accused of adopting her claims “with gusto”. Today as the case began Julia Wandelt broke down into loud sobs as the jury were told she was categorically “not Madeleine.”The Trial series uses actors and

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46:27

Lucy Letby: Conviction

The Trial ·

2025/09/26

In this episode Liz and Caroline speak to Danny Bogado, the director of a new Channel 4 documentary called Conviction: The Lucy Letby Case. They discuss why he wanted to make a film on the case, how he recruited contributors and why he feels it is important that audiences make up their own minds about her guilt or innocence.The Trial series uses actors and some voices generated by AI. Their words are taken as verbatim from the official court transcript.Follow us on instagram @thetrialpodEmail

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5:44

Lucy Letby’s Expert Witness

The Trial ·

2025/09/19

Dr Mike Hall was Lucy’s Letby’s key expert witness. But he was never called to give evidence at either of her trials. Caroline and Liz now ask him why. Search: The Trial of Lucy Letby: The InquiryThe Trial series uses actors and some voices generated by AI. Their words are taken as verbatim from the official court transcript.Follow us on instagram @thetrialpodEmail usthetrial@dailymail.comWhatsapp us+447796657512(start your message with ‘Trial’)A Daily Mail production.Seriously Popular. Hosted on

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50:44

High School Stabbing: The Intermediary

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2025/08/12

In this episode, Caroline and Jack bring you an exclusive interview with the woman who acted as the intermediary for the boy convicted of murdering Harvey Willgoose. Lucy Swindlehurst reveals the influence she had on the way the trial was conducted, with her colleague Paula Backen giving insight into how intemediaries operate in the court system.For ad-free listening to The Trial, exclusive bonus episodes every week, and complete access to previous series of the show, subscribe to The Crime Desk

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34:32

High School Stabbing: Guilty

The Trial ·

2025/08/08

In this episode, Caroline and Jack bring you the verdict from Sheffield Crown Court - guilty. The 15-year-old defendant was convicted following 14 hours 34 minutes of deliberation by a majority of 11 to one. The episode also features an exclusive interview with Harvey’s mother Caroline.For ad-free listening to The Trial, exclusive bonus episodes every week, and complete access to previous series of the show, subscribe to The Crime Desk now. Visitwww.thecrimedesk.com to become a member.A Daily Mail

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6:47

High School Stabbing: Over to the Jury

The Trial ·

2025/08/05

The jury in the trial of the killer of Harvey Willgoose are now considering their verdict. They’ve heard all of the evidence and the decision on whether the 15 year old boy on trial is guilty of murder or manslaughter now rests with them. In this episode Caroline and Jack have the final instructions the judge gave them before she told them to start their deliberations.For ad-free listening to The Trial, exclusive bonus episodes every week, and complete access to previous series of the show,

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40:22

High School Stabbing: ‘There was a name’

The Trial ·

2025/08/01

In this episode, Caroline and Jack bring you the closing arguments from the defence and prosecution before the jury retire to consider their verdicts. Prosecutor Richard Thyne KC said the defendant did not suffer from a loss of self-control when he stabbed Harvey Willgoose, but displayed purposeful and controlled aggression as an act of retribution. Gul Nawaz Hussain KC, for the defence, said the evidence clearly showed the defendant was in intense fear in the weeks leading up to the attack - and

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23:49

High School Stabbing: ‘You got worked up in rage’

The Trial ·

2025/07/29

In this episode, Caroline and Jack bring you the cross-examination of the boy accused of murdering Harvey Willgoose. He is questioned about the witness accounts of teachers and pupils who saw him acting like he had a knife before the stabbing and the prosecution put its case to him - that he did not lose control when he killed Harvey, but got worked up into a rage.For ad-free listening to The Trial, exclusive bonus episodes every week, and complete access to previous series of the show, subscribe to

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26:16

High School Stabbing: Anatomy of a Stabbing

The Trial ·

2025/07/25

In this episode, Caroline and Jack bring you the moment the boy accused of murdering Harvey Willgoose describes the fatal stabbing. He claims he only pulled out a knife because he was scared he would get stabbed himself and told a jury he now has no memory of the moment he dealt the deadly blow.For ad-free listening to The Trial, exclusive bonus episodes every week, and complete access to previous series of the show, subscribe to The Crime Desk now. Visitwww.thecrimedesk.com to become a member.A

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22:33

High School Stabbing: ‘I’ve got a bad feeling about...

The Trial ·

2025/07/22

In this episode Caroline and Jack bring you the latest evidence of the boy accused of murdering 15-year-old old Harvey Willgoose, as he tells the court he bought the “scary-looking” knife used in the attack because he was worried about being jumped. He also claimed that Harvey had threatened to stab him on the morning of the killing and described how he had not wanted to back down in a recent social media argument because he was afraid of being called a coward. For ad-free listening to The Trial,

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29:25

High School Stabbing: ‘I’m upset all the time’

The Trial ·

2025/07/18

For ad-free listening to The Trial, exclusive bonus episodes every week, and complete access to previous series of the show, subscribe to The Crime Desk now. Visitwww.thecrimedesk.com to become a member.A Daily Mail Production. Seriously Popular.Go toenteromed.co.ukand use codeTRAVEL30 at checkout, for an exclusive 30% discount on EnterosgelTraveller's Diarrhoea Relief. Drug-free, all-in-one relief, for the whole family. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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