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Precision Animal Training

Kirsten Kraljevic

Precision Animal Training is the podcast diving deep into the science and precision of animal behavior modification, hosted by expert trainer Kirsten Kraljevic and pioneering behaviorist Dr. Bob Bailey. Rooted in the legendary Bailey chicken workshops—developed by Bob and Marian Bailey using operant conditioning, positive reinforcement, stimulus control, and razor-sharp timing—this show delivers practical insights on observation, data collection, mechanical skills, and effective training techniques

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43:08

Three Skill Sets: Veronica Boutelle on Training,...

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2026/10/01

Bob Bailey has been watching this field for sixty or seventy years, and I have been watching it with him, and his verdict is blunt. More dog businesses have failed on the business end than on the dog training end. Veronica Boutelle watched the same thing happen from the other side. She was Director of Behavior and Training at the San Francisco SPCA, where Jean Donaldson's Academy for Dog Trainers ran out of her department, and she would check in with graduates a year later and find them

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28:25

Carolark, Fang and Chickens In A Hotel with Carolyn...

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2026/09/24

After Marian Bailey died, Dr. Bob Bailey was ready to be done. He had promised her on her deathbed that he would keep teaching, and then he got discouraged enough to start looking at other things he could do with his time. Two women talked him out of it. Cheryl Trotter drove up from Houston and Carolyn Clark came down from Canada, and between them they told him they would help and they would not let him quit. Everything that came after, Sweden, Japan, China, and the workshops that built a

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20:36

Vicky Darnell & Tiz: From Chicken Workshop to UKC...

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2026/09/16

Vicky Darnell did not want the puppy. The plan was to get herself trained up first and then bring another dog into the house, and that is not how it worked out. Tiz came home early. Three weeks later Vicky was sitting in her first Chicken Workshop. What she carried back to Chicagoland was not a chicken trick. It was timing, criteria, rate of reinforcement, and the nerve to stop a session that is going sideways instead of hoping it comes around. Tiz started trialing shortly after she turned

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58:14

The Magic of Reinforcement: Dr. Ian Dunbar on Animal...

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2026/09/10

On this episode of Precision Animal Training, hosts Kirsten Kraljevic and Dr. Bob Bailey sit down with renowned Veterinary Behaviorist Dr. Ian Dunbar for a wide-ranging conversation on how animal training has evolved. Dr. Dunbar traces his path from watching animals as a child to pioneering puppy classes and putting early socialization at the center of good training. The discussion returns again and again to positive reinforcement, the power of shaping small improvements, and the need for

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27:57

The Humbling Path to Becoming a Top Dog Trainer with...

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2026/09/02

In this episode of the Precision Animal Training Podcast, host Kirsten Kraljevic sits down with Dr. Viviane Thebe from Germany, a trainer known for pioneering work with both chickens and dogs. The conversation follows her path from veterinary medicine into animal behavior, the workshops in Sweden that changed how she saw training, and the practical reality of teaching while caring for her young son. Listeners hear how those early chicken workshops grew in Germany and why she has stayed

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53:35

Mechanics Matter: Why Fundamentals Are Essential for...

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2026/08/19

In this episode of Precision Animal Training, host Kirsten Kraljevic welcomes Jean Donaldson and Dr. Bob Bailey to explore the evolution of animal training education. The conversation highlights Jean Donaldson’s groundbreaking work founding the Academy for Dog Trainers and the impact of introducing rigorous training plans and standardized curricula. The discussion moves through the transition from traditional, aversive-based dog training to science-based methods, emphasizing the importance

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47:41

Beyond Agility: Susan Garrett on Efficiency,...

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2026/08/05

In this episode of Precision Animal Training, hosts Kirsten Kraljevic and Dr. Bob Bailey welcome renowned trainer Susan Garrett. The conversation explores Susan’s transformative journey from traditional dog training to evidence-based practices inspired by Dr. Bob Bailey and Marian Bailey. Together they reflect on the importance of embracing science, efficient training methods, and the powerful impact of community. Listeners hear insightful anecdotes about the famous chicken camps, practical

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43:47

Bridging Science And Practice In Animal Training with...

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2026/07/23

In this episode of Precision Animal Training, Kirsten Kraljevic hosts industry legends Dr. Bob Bailey and Ken Ramirez for an insightful discussion on the evolution of animal training, the importance of mechanical skills, and lifelong learning. Ken Ramirez reflects on his diverse career and emphasizes the value of seeking out foundational literature and learning from mentors. The conversation delves into the necessity for trainers to both invest in their own skills and seek critical

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35:50

Building Connection in Training: Instinct versus...

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2026/07/07

In this episode of Precision Animal Training, host Kirsten Kraljevic welcomes acclaimed trainers Bob Bailey and Phung Luu to explore how merging instinctual and systematic approaches leads to transformative animal training. Phung shares his inspiring journey from rural Vietnam to leading bird shows and consulting for top zoos. He highlights his pivotal shift from intuitive, shooting from the hip methods to science-based systems after attending Bob Bailey’s renowned chicken workshops. The

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26:01

Hands-On Breakthroughs: Inside Chicken Workshops with...

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2026/06/25

Show NotesOn this episode, Kirsten Kraljevic and Dr. Bob Bailey sit down with longtime student and class assistant Mimmi Pacerek to explore the unique and transformative experience of participating in chicken training workshops. They highlight why these programs deliver such powerful value for animal trainers at every level. At their core, the workshops are designed to train people, not just animals, by placing participants in situations that demand quick, effective decisions under

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41:49

From Chickens to Canines: Simon Prins on Modernizing...

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2026/06/18

In this episode, Kirsten Kraljevic and Dr. Bob Bailey sit down with Simon Prins, a pioneering animal trainer from the Netherlands. Simon shares his remarkable journey, from his first encounters with Bob Bailey to the challenges of introducing science-based training methods in Europe. He explains the shift from traditional approaches to more efficient, data-driven techniques that are transforming the field.Key topics include the importance of terminal maneuvers, the innovative use of laser

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25:05

Keeping It Simple in Animal Training: Critical...

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2026/06/08

In this episode of Precision Animal Training, Kirsten and Dr. Bob Bailey reflect on their recent workshops with trainers from around the world. They highlight the importance of challenge and rigor in quality animal training education. The discussion explores the pitfalls of oversimplification, the rise of “knockoff” workshops, and why effective programs must push participants to build genuine mechanical and observational skills. Drawing from decades of teaching experience, Dr. Bailey shares

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35:17

Transforming Animal Training: Fact, Woo Woo, and...

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2026/05/26

In this episode of Precision Animal Training, Kirsten Kraljevic and Dr. Bob Bailey explore the evolution and global impact of modern animal training. They discuss the Baileys’ and Brelands’ pioneering workshops, the challenges of traveling with chickens, and Marian’s health struggles, which eventually led to Dr. Bob Bailey taking the lead at Animal Behavior Enterprises. The legacy of their methods spread worldwide as students brought the knowledge back to their home countries. After

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19:47

On The Road With The Chicken Workshop Roadshow

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2026/05/19

In this episode of Precision Animal Training, Kirsten Kraljevic and Dr. Bob Bailey dive into the wild logistics and rich history behind taking chicken training workshops on the road across North America. Dr. Bob Bailey shares stories of hauling 42 chickens, tons of feed, and custom-built equipment from coast to coast. He navigated complex state and international animal inspection rules while keeping high welfare standards for the birds, often going well beyond what the industry required

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25:49

How Bob and Marian Bailey Built The Chicken Workshops

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2026/05/07

In this episode, Kirsten Kraljevic and Dr. Bob Bailey dive into the origins and evolution of their renowned chicken training workshops. Kirsten highlights the foundational role of observation and behavioral change in animal training, and she explains the workshops’ lasting impact on trainers across the industry. Dr. Bob Bailey shares how he and Marian developed these workshops, how they selected dedicated students, and how they refined their methods over time. He mentions influential

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33:04

From Ravens to Roaches: Animal Training and Family...

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2026/04/30

In this episode of Precision Animal Training, Kirsten Kraljevic and Dr. Bob Bailey take a deep dive into the groundbreaking days of Animal Behavior Enterprises in the 1970s. They explore the innovative systems first developed by Keller Breland and later refined by Dr. Bob Bailey himself. The conversation highlights some truly remarkable training feats - ravens that carried loads, vultures in live performances, and even the conditioning of cockroaches and spiders. On the personal side,

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39:28

SeaWorld And The CIA: The Evolution of Modern Animal...

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2026/04/23

In this episode of Precision Animal Training, Kirsten Kraljevic and Dr. Bob Bailey delve into the evolution of modern animal training, tracing its roots from the Brelands’ pioneering work to its influence on institutions like SeaWorld and military projects. Dr. Bob Bailey shares insights on systematized animal care, the importance of observational skills, and the unique role of chickens in foundational training. The discussion covers innovative training for unpredictable TV commercials and

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25:01

Hatching Genius: How the Brelands Revolutionized...

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2026/04/16

In this episode of Precision Animal Training, Kirsten Kraljevic and Dr. Bob Bailey explore the innovative scaling and automation that defined Animal Behavior Enterprises (ABE), founded by Marian and Keller Breland. They discuss how the Brelands revolutionized animal training in the 1940s and 1950s by integrating automated reinforcement equipment, developing standardized training manuals, and creating a systematic approach to trainer education that delivered remarkable efficiency and

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22:33

Pigeon Guided Bombs and Coin-Operated Chickens: The...

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2026/04/09

In this episode of Precision Animal Training, host Kirsten Kraljevic and Dr. Bob Bailey explore more of the life and journey of Marian and Keller Breland, pioneers in animal behavior and training. The episode details Marian’s rise from poverty to a scholarship at the University of Minnesota, her accidental introduction to Keller and the pivotal meeting with B.F. Skinner. Listeners learn about their involvement in the top-secret WWII “Project Orcon,” where pigeons were trained to guide bombs

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22:28

Birth Of The Bridge AKA Clicker Training

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2026/04/02

In this episode, Kirsten and Dr. Bob Bailey explore the origins and impact of the "Skinner box" and the pivotal contributions of Keller and Marian Breland to animal training. They discuss how the Brelands, inspired by their work with B.F. Skinner, moved beyond the rigid confines of academia, experimenting with operant conditioning and the introduction of the bridging stimulus, today's clicker or marker. Their innovative approach transformed reinforcement timing, enabling training in open

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