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Scouting The Refs Podcast #RefsPodcast

Scouting the Refs

Scouting The Refs follows hockey officials across the NHL, AHL, ECHL, and other leagues around the world, including news, rule changes and interpretations, suspensions, and statistics on officials and penalty calls. Todd Lewis is a veteran broadcaster covering the NHL and other major league sports; a former host on the NHL Network and on NHL Network Radio, he’s also worked for TSN and Sportsnet as a host/anchor. Josh Smith is the founder of Scouting the Refs, the leading independent resource

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00:21:40

Hand Pass Disaster

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2025/12/12

Hands off! We've got a whole slew of hand pass reviews on this week's #RefsPodcast. The rulebook was changed in 2019 to allow challenges for hand passes leading to a goal, but this is the first time we've had four in just over a week. Also on the show:Anaheim Ducks' Jacob Trouba lays the hammer on Washington Capitals' Ryan Leonard. The Caps were mad, but was it legal?The Ducks' Leo Carlsson gets a shootout goal wiped out for the dreaded double-tap.Florida Panthers' Brad

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00:14:59

A Long Controversial December

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2025/12/06

It's a busy week on the #RefsPodcast:Jets goalie Thomas Milic picks up a penalty for covering up the puckKraken's Mason Marchment fires up the Edmonton Oilers after a hit on Darnell NursePenguins' Blake Lizotte with the crotch-hoist on the Flyers' Garnet Hathaway. Should the NHL come down harder on the ol' pickle-smasher?Blues' Toropchenko takes out the Utah Mammoth's Logan Cooley with a knee, earning a major penalty but avoiding a fine or suspensionSabres' Rasmus

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00:25:59

A Confluence of Circumstances

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2025/11/22

It’s a confluence of circumstances on a jam-packed #RefsPodcast:The OHL suspends Brampton's Luke Dragusica for the rest of the season for a Marty-McSorleyesque two-handed slash to the headCarolina Hurricanes’ Andrei Svechnikov gets the elbow up on Vancouver Canucks’ Filip HronekWe’re not seeing any sort of distinct kicking motion on this disallowed goal from San Jose Sharks’ Will Smith… but there might be a good argument for disallowing it.George Parros of the NHL’s Department of Player Safety

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00:17:00

Elbows Up!

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2025/11/15

On the latest #RefsPodcast: Nashville Predators forward Michael Bunting tips a shot into the net vs. the New York Rangers that was just a bit high... but presented an opportunity for some technological enhancementsBoston Bruins blueliner Nikita Zadorov took out Toronto Maple Leafs captain Auston Matthews, who left the game shortly after. Did it deserve a penalty? Or something more?A scary hit from New Jersey Devils defenseman Brenden Dillon took out Tyler Bertuzzi of the Detroit Red Wings. Dillon

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00:23:25

No Net? No Problem!

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2025/11/08

On the latest #RefsPodcast: Scoring a goal without actually putting the puck into the net. It's possible, and it happened twice this week - once at Anaheim Ducks vs. Detroit Red Wings and again at Minnesota Wild vs. Nashville PredatorsRed Wings defenseman Moritz Seider has a goal disallowed for a "distinct kicking motion" that wasn't very distinctWings netminder John Gibson bumps the net off prior to a Chris Kreider goalThe Washington Capitals challenge a New York Islanders offside

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00:24:37

Do You Suffer From Premature Substitution?

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2025/10/31

The Pittsburgh Penguins do, at least this week. Also on the latest #RefsPodcast: New official debuts as Shawn Oliver, Jeremy Faucher, and Dylan Blujus hit the ice for the first time in the NHLInjury updates with Scott Cherrey, Francois St. Laurent, Steve Kozari, Chris Rooney, Ryan Daisy, and Bryan Pancich still sidelinedCongratulations to referee Chris Lee on 1500 games!Major penalty to Blue Jackets’ Mathieu Olivier for a headshot on the Caps’ Declan Chisholm. Was it the right call?Tampa Bay

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00:29:48

Show Your Work! & Author Don Weekes

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2025/10/17

On this week's #RefsPodcast:Author Don Weekes joins Todd and Josh to discuss his new book Hockey Hall of Fame Timeline of the Game: 150 Years of Hockey StoriesReferee Michael Markovic has a 'Steve Harvey' moment after he announces the wrong call - and immediately corrects it - at Panthers vs. DevilsVancouver Canucks defenseman Tyler Myers fined for slashing Edmonton Oilers captain Connor McDavid right in the twig and berriesUtah Mammoth blueliner Ian Cole picks up a fine for a dangerous

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00:19:05

322 PIMs, One Challenge, Two Sticks

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2025/10/10

On this week's #RefsPodcast:Preseason wrap-up322 penalty minutes for Panthers vs. Lightning in the fiercely nasty battle of FloridaWhat happens when an ejected player comes back on the ice and nobody notices? What about when he scores a goal? This is not what Niko Mikkola or the NHL had in mind.AJ Greer and Nick Foligno throw down in the first fight of the NHL seasonThe Nashville Predators issue the first Coach's Challenge of the season... for goaltender interference, of courseCalgary Flames

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00:18:44

Preseason Penalty Pileups

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2025/10/03

On this week's #RefsPodcast:Say my name, say my nameTaking a page out of the College Football replay bookOttawa Senators and Montreal Canadiens brawl in Quebec, piling up 150 PIMSenators' Nick Cousins (slashing) and Hayden Hodgson (boarding) both pick up finesSens' Donovan Sebrango gets ejected but avoids supplemental discipline from NHL Player SafetyThe Florida Panthers and Tampa Bay Lightning combine for 186 PIM, filling up the penalty boxesThe Panthers' AJ Greer delivers a gloved

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00:16:44

Is It In?

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2025/09/26

On this week's #RefsPodcast:Missed goals, unlimited high sticks, and line brawls!The new guys hit the ice in the National Hockey League! Which NHL officials have yet to take the ice? Steve Kozari, Shandor Alphonso, and Bryan Pancich are still working their way back from injuries last season. New York Rangers winger Brennan Othmann picked up a major penalty and a game misconduct for elbowing Calen Addison of the New Jersey Devils, but no file, no suspension from NHL Player Safety.If a puck goes

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00:16:25

...and We're Back!

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2025/09/19

On this week's #RefsPodcast:Kicking off the 2025-26 season!Wrapping up NHL officials’ training campPromotions for ref Jordan Samuels-Thomas and liney Ryan JacksonNew names joining the NHL: referee Ben Betker and linespersons Dylan Blujus, Jeremy Faucher, and Shawn Oliver. Retirements of referee Ghislain Hebert and linesman Derek NansenBut, wait – Hebert’s not done yet! He’s wearing the stripes in Germany!The NHL makes a few minor changes to the NHL rulebook, including officially adding “common

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00:21:32

One Cup, No Calls

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2025/06/18

On this week's #RefsPodcast:Looking at the calls - and non-calls - from Games 5 and 6 of the NHL Stanley Cup Final between the Edmonton Oilers and Florida PanthersWhat happened to all the penalties?Is Panthers’ Brad Marchand getting the jump on faceoffs?Are the refs ‘letting ‘em play’ or missing calls?Florida's Reinhart scores off his skate - legally - in Game 6.When was the last time we had no power plays in a Stanley Cup Final?Oilers’ Evander Kane picks up a misconduct then skips the

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00:20:37

Let ‘Em Play… Right?

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2025/06/14

On this week's #RefsPodcast:Looking back at Games 3 and 4 of the Stanley Cup Final between the Edmonton Oilers and the Florida Panthers as the series shifts south.Evander Kane finds himself in penalty trouble early… and again… and again.Before the end of the game, both teams piled on the penalty minutes, racking up the fourth-most minutes in a Stanley Cup FinalOilers’ Jake Walman commits the cardinal sin of squirting a water bottle, picking up a $5000 fine – and another $5000 for

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00:18:33

The Wes McCauley Special

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2025/06/09

On this week's #RefsPodcast:The Stanley Cup Final is under way!The Oilers lose a goaltender interference challenge after the NHL rules that Florida Panthers’ Sam Bennett was tripped into Edmonton Oilers goaltender Stuart SkinnerWe've got Bennett vs. Skinner 2: Electric Boogaloo in Game 2, with a penalty issued for goaltender interferenceMore Bennett disruption as he gets away with interference after kicking Mattias Ekholm’s dropped stick out of his reachIf you haven’t had enough of Sam

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00:23:31

Making The Cut for the Cup

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2025/06/03

On this week's #RefsPodcast:Rooney returns! NHL Stanley Cup Final Officials - who moves on and who’s been cutCongrats to the ECHL Kelly Cup Finals OfficialsStars’ Hintz needs a doctor after a slash from Oilers’ Nurse. Oilers’ Kulak gets away with a puck-over-glass right before two quick Edmonton goals. The officials missed it, and you can’t challenge that.Stars’ Petrovic delivers a huge hit on Oilers’ Brown, but was it clean?Canes’ Aho goes low and take out the Panthers’ Reinhart - no penalty,

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00:17:37

Cuts, Kicks, Broken Sticks, and Bloody Refs

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2025/05/24

On this week's #RefsPodcast:NHL officials who made - and missed - the cut for the NHL Conference Finals, including some surprises.Zebra down! We’ve seen standby officials called into action quite a few times in the playoffs, including after recent injuries to Kelly Sutherland and Chris Rooney.Canes’ Shayne Gostisbehere vs. Panthers’ Brad Marchand - we’ve got a puck shot at a player with no penalty or fine, followed by a mysterious extra penalty for Florida. What happened?It’s not only hard to

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00:28:29

How The Hellebuyck Did That Goal Count?

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2025/05/15

On this week's #RefsPodcast:Was it a kick? Or a deflection? Or both? Stars/Jets gives us a controversial goal that went off Alex Petrovic’s skate, off goaltender Connor Hellebuyck’s stick and in. Did the Situation Room make the right call?Official injury updates; two linesmen are out for the playoffsNHL Series Supervisors - who are they and what do they do?Dallas Stars’ Mason Marchment slashes referee Graham Skilliter - and gets away with itA crosscheck to the face results in a $7000 fine to Vegas

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00:25:42

Heads, Shoulders, Knees, and Trips

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2025/05/09

On this week's #RefsPodcast:Creative crowd chants - more than just ‘ref you suck’Officials set for the IIHF World Championship as well as in the OHL Championship Series and the USHL Clark Cup FinalA minor incident at Leafs/Panthers between Sam Bennett and Anthony Stolarz results in an injury but no call, no fine, no suspensionReferee Wes McCauley is called into duty as a linesman after an injury to Shandor Alphonso, working this lines for the first time in the NHLFlorida Panthers’ Evan Rodrigues

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00:23:23

Game 7 Penalties?! In This Economy?!

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2025/05/06

On this week's #RefsPodcast:NHL Stanley Cup Playoff Round 2 officials announced!Double-review in Vegas as the Minnesota Wild's Ryan Hartman has a goal reviewed for a distinct kicking motion... and called back after an offside challenge.No penalty but a 2-game suspension to the Panthers' Aaron Ekblad for a hit on the Lightning's Brandon Hagel.Major penalty to Florida's Niko Mikkola for boarding Zemgus Girgensons.Blues' Brayden Schenn whistled for interference for a hit that

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00:23:06

Heads Up, Hands Off, Shot Down

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2025/04/18

On this week's #RefsPodcast:Sad to hear of the passing of longtime NHL linesman Will Norris and AHL linesman Paul SimeonSabres’ Kulich misses the net, hits referee Peter MacDougallLiam Maaskant makes his NHL debut on the last day of the regular seasonKHL junior player suspended 7 games for elbowing a ref in the headTwo game ban for Devils’ Paul Cotter No supplemental discipline to Yakov Trenin for his ice-level punch on Derek ForbortOilers’ Darnell Nurse suspended 1 game by Player Safety for

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