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Revenue Builders

Force Management

Welcome to the Revenue Builders podcast, a weekly show featuring B2B sales leaders and executives. Hosted by Five-time CRO John McMahon and Force Management’s Co-Founder John Kaplan, the show goes in the barrel, behind the scenes with the people who have been there, done that and seen the results. Revenue Builders covers the best practices for scaling and growing your business, while sharing the pitfalls to avoid. Great conversation. Solid interviews. Tangible takeaways to help you succeed. If you

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00:11:33

Territory Planning with Meghan Gill: Data-Driven...

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2026/10/04

Most organizations structure territory planning around guesswork and political compromise. But Meghan Gill learned at MongoDB that territory strategy starts with operational discipline. In this clip, she walks through how to build field operations that run the operational cadence on the ground, structure territories so leaders have real data to work with, and use centralized dashboards to enable smart decisions at scale. If you're heading into Q4 or finalizing 2027 territory and resource allocation,

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01:13:02

Why Deals Don't Close: Anne Gary's Framework for...

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2026/10/01

Most deals die quietly in discovery, champion development, or economic buyer misalignment. But what actually separates consistent closers from perpetual stallers? In this replay, Anne Gary sits down with John McMahon and John Kaplan to reveal the blind spots in your sales process – and the coaching framework your leadership team needs before you finalize your 2027 plan. From preparation rituals to multi-threading strategy to navigating proof of value, Anne walks through the entire deal architecture

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00:09:50

Why The Best Salespeople Stop Jumping (And It's Not...

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2026/09/27

The war on talent isn't won by matching OTE. Sam Costello knows this and in this segment, breaks down his evolved interviewing approach -- separating stories from facts, owning the dialogue -- and explains why candidates actually stay long-term. It comes down to rare ingredients most companies never get right.Sam Costello is CRO at Harness, where he's spent 7.5 years scaling the platform from sub-$1M to $100M ARR. He interviews ~400 candidates annually and partners closely with co-leader Carlos to

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00:35:45

Why Your Reps Leave SKOs No Better Equipped to Sell...

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2026/09/24

Most SKOs are packed with inspiration and breadth – 30 topics, motivational speakers, CEO talks – but when reps walk out on Monday, they don't know what's different. In this episode, John McMahon and John Kaplan break down how to build an SKO that actually answers the question reps need answered: what do I need to do differently tomorrow?Key takeaways from this episode:00:00 – Why inspiration without execution quietly kills your SKO momentum02:50 – What it really takes to focus your training on what

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00:09:25

The Six Emotions Behind Every Buying Decision with...

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2026/09/20

Buyers rarely make decisions on logic alone. In this minisode, Randy Riemersma breaks down the six emotions that influence how deals progress and explains why elite sellers know how to create urgency, build confidence, and sustain momentum throughout the buying journey. Randy shares his perspective on the role of fear, curiosity, hope, desire, confidence, and urgency in complex sales, along with why subject matter expertise and genuine curiosity remain essential for earning trust and guiding

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00:54:19

Why Proprietary Data Beats AI Software for 2x...

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2026/09/17

Proprietary data, not the software, is the long-term value driver. On this episode, Ann Davis, CRO at Crunchbase, walks through how knowing which customers to pursue drives 2x pipeline growth in six months, why sellers need to stay in control of the conversation, and how she built a headless AI interface that connects Salesforce, Gong, and private market data so reps know exactly what to focus on each day.Ann Davis is Chief Revenue Officer at Crunchbase, where she leads their shift from product-led

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00:11:01

The 90-Day Hiring Question Every Sales Leader Should...

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2026/09/13

Hiring mistakes often happen when leaders focus on capability and experience without understanding whether a candidate is truly energized by the realities of the role. In this clip recorded earlier this year, Jason Forget, then President and CRO of Cockroach Labs, shares the interview question he uses to uncover long-term fit, why startup environments demand a different type of motivation, and how honest self-assessment can help leaders avoid costly hiring mistakes. The discussion offers a practical

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00:59:47

Recruiting the Right People and Selling Real...

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2026/09/10

You can have the best product in the world, perfect messaging, and market timing on your side… but if you don't have elite people in your sales organization, none of it matters. Brad Scott has built sales teams at Snowflake, Veza, and now Glean – three of the most different growth trajectories in tech. In this conversation, he breaks down how to hire for the traits that actually predict success: intellectual curiosity, resilience, self-awareness. He also tackles the complexity of selling AI-native

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00:10:37

Effective Business Planning and Weekly Accountability...

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2026/09/06

Most first-line managers are trying to do everything at once – recruit, develop, forecast, and hit their number – all in 62 working days. But Scott Rudy has learned through building teams at high-growth companies that what separates managers who make their number from those who don't isn't effort; it's operating rhythm. In this clip, Scott breaks down how second-line managers should coach first-line managers on weekly accountability, how to set clear expectations that cascade through the

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01:06:30

Strategy That Teams Actually Execute with Dr. Chuck...

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2026/09/03

Most companies spend September and October planning for 2027, but they skip the part that actually matters: figuring out how their teams will execute on it. That's why we're revisiting this episode with Dr. Chuck Bamford, who walks through how to align strategy from the boardroom all the way down to compensation plans, daily activities, and the conversations your reps have with customers. He covers what separates strategy that gets executed from strategy that sits on a shelf, and why most execution

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00:10:31

The ROI of Multi-Persona Selling with Daniel Simon

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2026/08/30

Winning complex deals requires more than executive sponsorship. The strongest business cases are built by connecting value across the organization. Daniel Simon shares how he worked with stakeholders across product, engineering, finance, HR, and legal teams to uncover specific use cases, quantify time savings, and build an ROI story that resonated from end users to the executive team. The result was a business case that transformed AI from a technology investment into a measurable business

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01:01:34

Why Great CROs Stop Managing Numbers and Start...

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2026/08/27

CROs who chase pipeline numbers miss what really matters. Sam Costello's path from sub-$1M to $100M at Harness taught him to stop managing revenue and start building the machine that produces it, which means recruiting elite, coachable talent, running a champion-first sales process with discipline, and building a culture of radical candor where MEDDPIC reviews are hunts, not compliance exercises. If you're spending more time managing numbers than building people and process, this conversation

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00:10:18

AI Selling Rewards Curiosity | Workflow Discovery...

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2026/08/23

AI adoption has changed the standard for go-to-market execution. Seong Park, SVP of Customer Support & Services at Cursor, explains why the old model of selling certainty is giving way to curiosity, experimentation, and workflow discovery. He breaks down why the real work starts after signature, why pilots only matter if they lead to business-critical adoption, and how revenue leaders can guide customers from AI exploration to measurable impact.Seong Park is the Senior Vice President of Customer

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01:06:34

How to Hire Better Salespeople Than Yourself and Lead...

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2026/08/20

Michelle Bove didn't start in enterprise software – she started as a soccer referee in seventh grade, hustling for an extra $10 per game, then moved into door-to-door sales at a three-person startup where she learned rejection quickly and loved it even more. That hunger never left. Today, as an AVP of East Sales at Wiz, she's built her career at some of the sharpest sales cultures in software history (PTC, AppDynamics, Zscaler), closed deals nobody else could get into, and turned around entire teams

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00:10:51

The SNL Lesson on Talent and Fit with Lindsay Shookus

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2026/08/16

High-performing teams create the conditions for talent to succeed. In this Revenue Builders segment, Lindsay Shookus shares lessons from Saturday Night Live on cultural fit, team buy-in, trust, and performance under pressure. Drawing from examples of SNL talent who found success in different environments, Lindsay explains why fit often determines whether strong people can thrive inside a specific team rhythm. She also shares how leaders can create safety for risk-taking, give teams ownership in new

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00:50:04

Reps Who Skip the Story Lose the Deal with Rob Potter

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2026/08/13

Most sales conversations still lean on product specs, and most leadership still gets reduced to quota math, until the market gets hard and both approaches break down. Rob Potter, CEO of Oomnitza, joins John Kaplan and John McMahon to argue that revenue and retention run on the same fuel: story, evidence, and belief rather than pressure. Shaped by three decades under RSA and EMC leaders like Art Coviello and Mark Thurman, Potter explains why technical credibility alone creates gaps in a sales motion,

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00:09:11

Why Great Sellers Hold the Line in Discovery with...

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2026/08/09

Enterprise sellers often lose deal quality by moving too quickly from customer pain to product answers. In this Revenue Builders minisode, Stuart Gwynn of MongoDB explains why the best sellers slow down in discovery, hold the line with the customer, and use disciplined qualification to determine whether a problem is real, urgent, and worth solving. Stuart shares how pipeline creates the courage to qualify out, why team preparation matters before strategic customer conversations, and how trust is

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01:00:15

The Hard Moments That Build a CEO with Mark Thurmond

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2026/08/06

Senior leaders are often judged in moments they could not plan for. Mark Thurmond’s path from sales rep to co-CEO of Tenable was built through consistent execution, difficult operating assignments, and crises that demanded calm before certainty. He explains what the RSA breach taught him about transparency and customer trust, how he and Steve Vintz kept Tenable moving after the death of CEO Amit Yoran, and why the strongest leaders build followership before they need it. The conversation also covers

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00:11:03

Where AI Is Actually Working in Revenue Teams with...

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2026/08/02

In this clip, Alex Bilmes, CEO of Endgame, joins Revenue Builders to share what his team learned from analyzing more than 30,000 real AI workflows across go-to-market teams. The data shows AI gaining traction in account intelligence, conversation readiness, deal acceleration, pipeline inspection, and team enablement. But the larger lesson is that the strongest teams are not just using AI to generate decks, briefs, or follow-ups faster. They are using it to create shared understanding across reps,

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01:02:14

Why Partner Leaders Must Master the AI Landscape to...

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2026/07/30

AI partnerships are no longer won by managing a channel or securing a marketplace listing. Leaders must understand how countries, power, cooling, chip fabrication, hyperscalers, model providers, software companies, and enterprise risk fit together before they can build an effective partner strategy. Returning to Revenue Builders, Alan Chhabra explains how Cerebras navigated the technical and political realities of working with AWS, why successful partner leaders need more than relationships, and how

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