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Whatever Comes Next with Tom Osman

Getting to know the music makers out on the fringes

On Whatever Comes Next I explore the world of independent and underground music making. I talk with music makers, producers and label owners to hear their stories. I like music with a sense of mystery. I like surprises and unique stories... and noise... and weirdness... and darkness... and I want to learn more. tomosman.substack.com

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Episode 106: Urlo (THE MON, Ufomammut)

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2025/10/28

THE MON is the solo project of Urlo—bassist, vocalist and synth player of heavy psychedelic rock band Ufomammut, as well as being a core part of Supernatural Cat and Malleus. Songs of Abandon (out on the 7th of November on Supernatural Cat and the first in a two part concept to be followed by Songs of Embrace in 2026) is the latest record from THE MON and one with an unusual story—as well as being uniquely acoustic-guitar driven compared to Urlo’s other releases (both as THE MON and with Ufomammut)

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Episode 105: Chris Pervelis (Internal Bleeding)

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2025/10/21

Since forming the band in the early 90s guitarist Chris Pervelis has remained consistent in his vision for the hard-hitting death metal unit Internal Bleeding. Through the years the band have had creative highs, numerous line-up changes, and survived tragedy and shady business dealings. Out of all of this comes the band’s latest record Settle All Scores (out now on Maggot Stomp) with Internal Bleeding sounding as fresh, fired-up and visceral as ever. Chris joins me to discuss the record, his musical

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Clément Duboscq (Vous Connaissez ? PR)

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2025/10/14

Five years ago life-long music devotee Clément Duboscq decided to take some of his experience as a music writer and musician and start his own micro-agency Vous Connaissez ? PR, representing bands and artists in France and further afield.Not so long after Clément’s move into music PR, he and I worked together on the Non Serviam/ Gobscrew collaboration Biollante and their album ⁠J’Espère Que Tu Danseras Quelque Part ⁠Clément continues to represent a range of artists across the musical underground,

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Episode 103: Gridfailure

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2025/10/10

Gridfailure is Dave Brenner, but just as it’s hard to put a simple genre tag on this music that combines noise, jazz, folk and numerous other elements, the creative inputs that feed one Gridfailure release or another can be manifold. On the project’s latest release Sixth Mass-Extinction Skulduggery III (out now on Nefarious Industries) Brenner brings in a host of collaborators, including Today Is The Day’s Steve Austin, Leila Abdul-Rauf, Mac Gollehon, Greg Meisenberg and many others. Dave and I

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Episode 102: -ii- [Two Eyes]

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2025/10/07

At it’s core -ii- [Two Eyes] is Hélène Ruzic and Benjamin Racine. Since 2018 the duo have been crafting their unique, dark blend of industrial, shoegaze, alternative, ritualistic music.Complemented on their latest album Apostles of the Flesh by Maxime Keller (bass, synths, prepared piano) and David L’Huillier (drums, percussions), Hélène and Benjamin join me to discuss the album, their music, their visual inspirations and the state of the music business for independent artists in France

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Episode 101: Yowie

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2025/10/03

What is Yowie? The simple answer is that they’re an instrumental three-piece of drums and two guitars. Once you start trying to describe the music however, this is where the fun starts. My characterisation of listening to Taking Umbrage (the band’s new album, out today on SKiN GRAFT Records) is that it’s like the world has turned into Play-Doh and it’s swirling in a whirlpool that’s being fed through a meat grinder. Perhaps it’s best we turn to drummer and founding member Shawn “Defenestrator”

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148:46

Episode 100: DIY Special

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2025/09/30

For episode 100 of Whatever Comes Next I wanted to do something special and thanks to Dave Brenner at Earsplit PR I was able to put this multi-interview episode discussion of DIY music together.My guests have decades of experience in the musical underground in pretty much any dimension of getting music out there you can imagine.I talk in turn with Dave Brenner (Earsplit PR/ Gridfailure), Greg Meisenberg (Nefarious Industries / A F*****g Elephant), Steve Austin (Today Is The Day / Supernova Records),

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Episode 99: Pain Magazine

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2025/09/23

Pain Magazine brings together the two musical worlds of industrial-techno duo Maelstrom & Louisahhh and post-hardcore three-piece Birds In Row. Violent God (out on the 3rd of October on Humus Records) is the musical child birthed of this dark union. As lyrically violent and menacing as the music is, Violent God has its moments of not exactly light, but a certain sonic respite that glimmers as shards amongst malevolent, industrial beats, jagged, icy guitars and electronic textures that by turns

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Episode 98: Chris Grigg (Ampwall, Woe, Glorious...

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2025/09/16

Multi-instrumentalist Chris Grigg has been involved in numerous musical projects over the past 20 years. Back in 2007 Chris started black-metal project Woe—first solo, before expanding to a full band.With Woe most recently releasing their fifth full-length, Legacies of Frailty, in 2023, Chris has also found time to feature as the drummer for death-metal group Glorious Depravity (the band soon to be releasing their second album, Death Never Sleeps, on Transcending Obscurity Records.)And if that's not

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Episode 97: Caroline Harrison

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2025/09/12

New York based artist and illustrator Caroline Harrison's work with underground and extreme bands and musicians goes back almost 15 years designing the logo and and various cover art for death metal group Pyrrhon, but her journey as a visual artist goes back much further than that. More recently (and including a decade working at the sadly now closed Saint Vitus Bar in Brooklyn) Caroline has created artwork for bands like Pig Destroyer, KEN mode and Chat Pile, applying her particular style blending

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Episode 96: Blake Fleming (Dazzling Killmen)

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2025/09/09

In a musical career that's spanned decades, many projects, several solo releases and becoming a published author Blake Fleming first made a name for himself in the 90s as the teenage drummer for post-hardcore group Dazzling Killmen. Having built an enduring relationship with SKiN GRAFT Records, the band split in 1995. Now 30 years later, as a new iteration of Dazzling Killmen gets back together (original members Blake, Nick Sakes and new recruits Ben Greenberg and Evan Jagles), SKiN GRAFT Records is

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Episode 95: The Silver Snails

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2025/09/02

Speed of Light (released this coming Friday) is the second album by psychedelic-pop-rock project The Silver Snails and a record a decade in the making. Recorded between Italy and Portland, Oregon, the record (like The Silver Snails itself) is tied to no one specific place—with the project's architect Lucas Ward having lived and drawn influences from all over the world. Lucas joins me to discuss the record, the involvement of his wife (and occasionally also their children) in The Silver Snails, their

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Episode 94: GUCK

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2025/08/26

Gucked Up (out this Friday on Three One G) is the debut album by LA noise-punk five-piece GUCK and fits right into the delightfully cacophonous musical world the label has curated, with bands like Deaf Club, F**k Money and Stress Positions.Vocalist April Gerloff and guitarist Chappy Hull join me to discuss the record, their musical backgrounds, April's history with Three One G founder Justin Pearson and their insights on booking shows and building a musical community.And on the topic of shows, GUCK

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Episode 93: Jon Fine (We Contain Multitudes)

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2025/08/20

Guitarist, editor and writer Jon Fine came up in the US indie-rock movement of the 1980s, most notably with rock trio B***h Magnet.In his engrossing memoir of a decade ago Your Band Sucks, Jon gives an entertaining and insightful look at how the indie-rock landscape evolved over those years and his part in it.Having at times extracted himself from an underground, DIY music world that doesn't always give back what is put into it, Fine is back and as energised as ever with his current

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Episode 92: King Yosef

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2025/08/12

Industrial-hardcore music-maker and producer King Yosef releases his great, second full-length record Spire of Fear this Friday and on the eve of the record's release returns to the podcast for a second visit.We discuss the making of the latest record, the pros and cons of working alone, how to book tours, Portland, forthcoming shows (including the second Bleakfest next month) and underground music scenes today.For all things ⁠King Yosef (including links to pre-order Spire of Fear)⁠Photo: Harper

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Episode 91: in this house of mourning (ITHOM)

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2025/08/05

New York City's in this house of mourning (ITHOM) represents the dark side of the project's mastermind Ben. Following 2022's penance EP, Enlèvement is a compellingly savage album, pulling from a range of extreme-metal sources. Dark, atmospheric and sinister. Ben joins me to discuss the album, its recording and some of his musical inspirations like Dragged Into Sunlight and Neurosis. Closing track: "Altar" Thanks to Kyle at Good Boy PR ⁠Buy Enlèvement⁠ Follow ⁠ITHOM on Instagram⁠ Check out my latest

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Episode 90: Greg Kubacki (Car Bomb)

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2025/07/29

Whether you want to call them experimental metal, or mathcore, or progressive metal, New York's Car Bomb don't sound quite like anyone else.Greg Kubacki has been delivering brain-melting guitar parts for the band for almost the entirety of Car Bomb's 25 year (and counting) history.With the band about to release their latest EP Tiles Whisper Dreams (Yes, I keep mispronouncing it all through the interview, apologies!!) Greg joins me to discuss their new music, reveal some of the mysteries of how they

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Episode 89: The Fremonts

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2025/07/22

Stephanie Dodd and Justin Badger didn't always plan to form an indie-folk-cabaret duo, but life can lead us on all kinds of unexpected journeys. In the case of Dodd it took her from Fremont, Nebraska, while for Badger Fremont, California was the starting point.And so where The Fremonts took there name from becomes clear. Friday sees the re-issue of We Don't Live There and The Failure Cabaret, the duo's first two albums, partially rerecorded to improve on certain aspects that Dodd and Badger weren't

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Episode 88: Hypomanic Daydream

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2025/07/18

Though you might, like me, be fooled at first listen into thinking that Hypomanic Daydream is a full band, it is in fact the creation of one person, Marie (AKA Manic Dream Girl).The Yearning (out today on Fiadh Productions) is an album of wildly creative metal that's very hard to describe. Maybe certain reference points like King Crimson, Demilich and Voivod can help to give some idea (although not a full picture) of what to expect.Marie and I discuss the album, how she developed her vocal style,

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Episode 87: doubleVee

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2025/07/15

Allan Vest and Barb [Hendrickson] Vest have been making music together as doubleVee since 2012. Creators of their own quirky indie-rock musical world, doubleVee release their latest EP Periscope at Midnight on the 25th of July.The EP opens with a reworking of track originally written and recorded by one of Allan's former bands Starlight Mints. This along with two more singles have been released so far (each with accompanying music videos).Allan and Barb join me to discuss the latest release, their

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