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Inside the Life

Season 2 is out now. Stay tuned for Season 3! Inside the Life is a podcast produced by The Mob Museum, the National Museum of Organized Crime and Law Enforcement. It is hosted by two former elite undercover agents, Giovanni Rocco and Dutch McAlpin. Their stories of infiltrating everything from the American Mob and outlaw motorcycle gangs to the cartels will leave you stunned. This podcast will give listeners a one-of-a-kind look into the inner world of organized crime, featuring guests who have

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54:43

Terry Rankhorn – Pioneer in Cybercrime Undercover...

Inside the Life ·

2025/07/10

Terry Rankhorn is a legend in the world of undercover work. In his over 20-year career with the FBI, Rankhorn was one of the first FBI undercover operatives to infiltrate major computer hacking groups, including organizations such as Global Hell and The Keebler Elves. The pioneering work he did investigating cybercrime established precedent that is still used today. In this episode of Inside the Life, he speaks with Giovanni and Dutch about his career with the FBI and the vital role he played in

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01:58:21

Bob Delaney – The Story of an Undercover Agent Turned...

Inside the Life ·

2025/07/03

On a pioneering task force, Bob Delaney went from New Jersey State Trooper to undercover in some of the biggest east coast Mob families. In this episode, Delaney spoke to Giovanni and Dutch about how he was recruited to work undercover, the innerworkings of how he infiltrated the Genovese and Bruno Crime Families and his transition to high-profile NBA referee. Tune in for an incredibly insightful and inspirational episode. About Bob Delaney: Robert “Bob” Delaney rose to the top of two elite

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50:03

Myron Sugerman – The Jewish Mobster with an...

Inside the Life ·

2025/06/26

Myron Sugerman’s 60-year career as an international mobster in the business of slot machines and casinos took him all over the world, learning from notorious Mob figures such as Abner “Longie” Zwillman and Meyer Lansky. In this episode of Inside the Life, Sugerman takes us through his journey from following in his father’s footsteps to carving his own path in the illegal gaming business and gives insights into the inner workings of the Jewish Mob. About Myron Sugerman: Myron Sugerman was born in

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01:34:18

Mike Moy – Ex-Fuk Ching Gang Member Turned NYPD...

Inside the Life ·

2025/06/19

Mike Moy was only 16 years old when he joined the Brooklyn faction of the Fuk Ching gang. In this episode of Inside the Life, Moy shares stories of his upbringing and the events that led him to change his trajectory and join the NYPD. Having had the unique experience of operating on both sides of the law, Moy gives us a first-hand look into the secretive underworld of New York’s Chinatown.About Mike Moy: Mike Moy is a former NYPD detective and a former member of the Fuk Ching gang in Chinatown. He

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01:08:38

Pierre “Pete” Charette – The Undercover DEA Agent Who...

Inside the Life ·

2025/06/12

A native of Quebec, Canada, Pete Charette tells his story of becoming the Drug Enforcement Administration’s go-to French speaking agent, traveling across the globe for DEA undercover operations. In this episode, Pete, often known as “Frenchy,” unfolds how he posed as a Corsican mobster and infiltrated the international narcotics trafficking network now known as “the French Connection.”About Pete Charette: Pierre "Pete" Charette’s adventures spanned a heart-pounding 33 years as a police officer,

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01:23:05

Michael Corleone Blanco – Author and Son of...

Inside the Life ·

2025/06/05

Michael Corleone Blanco didn’t have a typical childhood. As the youngest son of “Cocaine Godmother” Griselda Blanco, his earliest memories of his life include stories of family love and loyalty, opulence and violence. In this gripping episode, Corleone Blanco tells his story of growing up amongst the Medellín Cartel and the operations of his mother’s own cocaine distribution business and reflects on how his experiences have shaped who he is today. About Michael Corleone Blanco: Born August 5,

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01:18:29

Michele Rigby Assad – Former CIA Operative and Author

Inside the Life ·

2025/05/29

In this rare appearance from a former Central Intelligence Agency operative, Michele Rigby Assad details how she, as a young woman from small town America, went on to work in one of the world’s most misunderstood and dangerous geopolitical climates — the Middle East. Working across a handful of undisclosed locations throughout the Arab world, Rigby Assad shares the difficulties she faced while successfully infiltrating and gathering intelligence from terrorist cells known for their stern

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01:46:12

Anthony Ruggiano Jr. – Ex-Mob Associate's Journey...

Inside the Life ·

2025/05/22

In this episode, Anthony Ruggiano Jr. details his life as son of Gambino enforcer and hitman Anthony “Fat Andy” Ruggiano. From a teen partying at the Copacabana, to his severe struggle with drug addiction and years in witness protection, this episode is an honest look at Ruggiano Jr.’s journey through a life of money, power, greed and redemption. Now decades out of the Mob life, he has found purpose through reform and sobriety. About Anthony Ruggiano Jr.: Anthony Ruggiano Jr., once a proposed

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01:16:44

Steve Murphy – The DEA Agent Who Helped Take Down...

Inside the Life ·

2025/05/16

Sitting down with Giovanni and Dutch, Steve Murphy shares his journey from being a police officer in a town of fewer than 20,000 people to becoming one of the DEA agents most synonymous with the takedown of narco-terrorist and Medellín Cartel kingpin Pablo Escobar. A story best known for its depiction in Netflix’s hit series Narcos, Murphy provides intimate insights into life in Colombia during its most violent years, as he and partner Javier Peña pursued Escobar alongside the Colombian National

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01:18:59

Jay Dobyns – ATF Agent Responsible for Infiltrating...

Inside the Life ·

2024/08/01

In this episode, retired Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) agent Jay Dobyns sits down with Giovanni and Dutch to share how he went from getting shot on his fourth day on the job to successfully infiltrating the Hells Angels Motorcycle Club under the alias Jaybird Davis, the gunrunner. Having previously worked on outlaw motorcycle club cases themselves, Giovanni and Dutch share their own insights into just how violent and dangerous these organizations can be. Dobyns also talks about his other

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01:08:05

Lew Rice – Former DEA SAC on His Time in NYC, Miami,...

Inside the Life ·

2024/07/25

Long inspired by his father, a Harlem NYPD detective, and confronted by the 1970s heroin epidemic in New York City which affected many of his young-adult peers returning from the Vietnam War, Lew Rice found his calling with the Drug Enforcement Administration in 1974. In this episode, Rice describes his journey with the DEA, highlighting his undercover experiences and how he worked his way through the ranks to supervisory roles, all while sharing the best advice he received along the way. He also

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53:47

Vincent Pastore – “Sopranos” Star Talks Career,...

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2024/07/18

Best known for his role as Salvatore “Big Pussy” Bonpensiero on HBO’s hit series “The Sopranos,” Giovanni and Dutch welcome actor Vincent Pastore to Inside the Life. In this episode, Vincent, Giovanni and Dutch chop it up, discussing everything from Pastore’s career in the music and nightlife industry, his experience living and working around New York Mob-types, how he landed his role on “The Sopranos” to Giovanni’s infiltration of the “real Sopranos,” New Jersey’s DeCavalcante crime family. After

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55:12

Patricia Naughton – Outlaw Bikers, the Mafia and...

Inside the Life ·

2024/07/11

One of the DEA’s first female undercover agents, Patricia Naughton sits down with Giovanni and Dutch to talk about her experience inside the life. While bonding over the risks they were all willing to take, Naughton describes how she went from small narcotics buys as a city police officer to infiltrating outlaw motorcycle clubs and the Detroit Mafia as a woman in the 1980s. During an incredibly violent era in Detroit's history, Naughton had the unique experience of crossing paths and fostering

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57:32

John Gleeson – The Prosecutor Responsible for...

Inside the Life ·

2024/07/04

In a rare interview, John Gleeson, the former Assistant U.S. Attorney for the Eastern District of New York, shares his experiences as a prosecutor in the government’s 1986 and 1992 cases against Gambino crime family boss John Gotti. Sitting down with co-hosts Dutch and Giovanni, Gleeson gives listeners a behind-the-scenes look into how he and the government crafted the case against Gotti and his co-defendants, why they risked indicting him after losing the first trial and how Gleeson secured his

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01:06:42

Salvatore “Sally Ubatz” Polisi – Ex-Colombo Crime...

Inside the Life ·

2024/06/27

Power, money, greed and image – Sal Polisi’s firsthand experience as a Colombo associate during the Mafia’s height in 1970s New York City is a testament to the Mob’s violence and disregard for public safety. In this episode, Polisi tells host Giovanni Rocco how after years of committing crimes with the Colombo and Gambino crime families, he became disillusioned during a stint in the Lewisburg Penitentiary. Though he was never a made man, he also describes how he became one of the government's

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01:00:09

Chris Brancato – Showrunner, Writer and Producer Best...

Inside the Life ·

2024/06/20

In this episode, co-hosts Dutch McAlpin and Giovanni Rocco speak with television and film creator, writer and producer Chris Brancato. As the showrunner of organized crime television dramas “Narcos” and “Godfather of Harlem,” Brancato explores the unique influence of organized crime on popular culture. In this episode, Brancato shares how he strategically combines real events with his own creative liberties to shape the alluring dichotomy of well-known crime figures, showcasing both their personal

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33:19

Kathrine Narducci – Famed “Sopranos,” “Alto Knights”...

Inside the Life ·

2024/06/13

Actress Kathrine Narducci offers hosts Giovanni Rocco and Dutch McAlpin a firsthand look into the world of Mob television and film. Exploring her work as an actress, Narducci shares how she beat out more than 2,500 women for her first role, the backstory she created for her character on “The Sopranos,” the surprise of her “Euphoria” character’s viral look and details about her upcoming projects. About Kathrine Narducci: Narducci is best known for her series regular role as Charmaine Bucco on the

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01:06:54

Javier Peña – DEA Agent on the Case of Colombian...

Inside the Life ·

2024/06/06

Javier Peña, the retired Drug Enforcement Administration agent whose fight to take down Medellín Cartel kingpin Pablo Escobar was dramatized in Netflix’s “Narcos,” sits down with hosts Giovanni Rocco and Dutch McAlpin to share the real story of his career. After starting his law enforcement career in a Laredo, Texas jail, Javier Peña never expected the world’s most violent drug trafficker would know him by name and put a $300,000 bounty on his life. In this episode, Peña details his work as a DEA

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01:26:29

Frank Calabrese Jr. – The Reformed Chicago Outfit...

Inside the Life ·

2024/05/30

Reformed mobster and son of notorious Chicago Outfit enforcer and hitman Frank Calabrese Jr. sits down with former undercover agents Giovanni Rocco and Dutch McAlpin to share his story of family, violence, addiction and life inside the Chicago Outfit. In this candid conversation Calabrese Jr. shares the intimate details surrounding his decision to leave the world his father pressured him into and how he risked his life to escape. About Frank Calabrese Jr. Frank Calabrese Jr. is a former member of

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01:09:45

Frank Panessa – DEA Agent Behind the Takedown of the...

Inside the Life ·

2024/05/23

Narcotics trafficking is a global problem. Agents who are sent to fight it can find themselves deep undercover on foreign soil. In this episode, hosts Dutch McAlpin and Giovanni Rocco sit down with retired Drug Enforcement Administration agent Frank Panessa. Frank was at the center of the case known as the “Pizza Connection," during which he infiltrated the Mafia. As former undercover agents themselves, Giovanni and Dutch are able to ask Frank all the right questions. Frank talks about his start in

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