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The RunOut Podcast

Andrew Bisharat & Chris Kalous

Chris Kalous (The Enormocast) and Andrew Bisharat (Evening Sends) bring decades of climbing experience to the mic, talking with the most interesting voices in the sport. From bouldering to big walls, comps to alpinism—no discipline is off-limits and no dogma goes unchallenged. You might not always agree, but you’ll probably laugh about it later.

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1:11:55

The RunOut #174: In the writer’s room with Astra Lincoln

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2026/09/28

Astra Lincoln is a writer, creative researcher, and self-described futurist working at the intersection of people, power, and place. She’s won Banff’s best article award twice and been a finalist for the Yale Nonfiction Book Prize, and before all that she worked as a pastry chef, a wilderness trail mason, and a glacial ecologist. Her first novel is on the way. And her latest article is a profile of the legendary Michael Kennedy, which is printed in the latest issue of Summit Journal,

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1:21:36

The RunOut #173: The catastrophe episode, with Andres...

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2026/08/14

Andres Marin is a mountain guide, alpinist, and competitive ice climber who’s originally from Columbia, but is a longtime resident of Ouray, Colorado. His passion is expedition climbing, and he’s completed notable first ascents around the world including in Kyrgzstan and Peru. We talk about a wildfire that nearly destroyed his town, affecting the climbing and local communities alike, as well as other catastrophes and disasters around the world. Despite being such a depressing

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1:11:14

The RunOut #172: Liv Ogier and the joy of suffering...

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2026/07/31

Liv Ogier recently completed the first ascent of Yellow Sun (5.14d), an extension to Tommy Caldwell’s Kryptonite at the Fortress of Solitude. As a former comp climber, her choice to project at one of Colorado’s most remote and challenging sport crags resulted in numerous days and nights of challenging conditions that are more often associated with alpinism than sport climbing. But the result of her efforts landed her among a very small and select group of women who have established first

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1:13:22

The RunOut #171: How to Spout Off To Your Federal...

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2026/07/07

Erik Murdock is the deputy director at the Access Fund, climbing’s national advocacy organization. Today we’re encouraging climbers to submit their comments on the climbing management proposals for federal lands. Check out the show notes for all the links.But first, the show’s ailing hosts navigate a new world order of safe space climbing, from the local choss heap to one of the most iconic piece of granite in the country. The final bit is a song titled Odds of Dawn, written and

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1:15:28

The RunOut #170: Get Diked: a Yosemite Episode

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2026/06/24

Cameron King is the climbing program supervisor for Yosemite National Park. Greg Stock is Yosemite’s resident geologist. Both are climbers and they’re here today to talk about various issues within America’s most notable national park. But first, we tie in for a discussion about the new Ten Sleep-style modern classic, Snake Dike, and what to do about the slippery slope that climbing is on. Patrick Curry is a longtime Valley climber, longtime listener, and first-time contributor to

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1:11:42

The RunOut #169: Jonathan Siegrist is closing in on...

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2026/05/30

Jonathan Siegrist is a professional rock climber, widely regarded as one of the most prolific sport climbers in the world. He’s best known for pushing very hard sport routes, including numerous 5.15 ascents. This year he’s on track to reaching 100 routes rated 9a or harder.But first, we discuss the latest local drama, from price hikes to redtags, and what it all means when you have to watch some kid put down the hackysack long enough to hike your project Last, Kalous closes things out with

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1:24:41

The RunOut #168: Finger Bangers Ball with Lillian...

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2026/05/18

What good is finger strength if you don’t know how to use it? Lillian Frances is a self-produced indie pop star based in LA who has written a new manual called Finger Banging For Climber Boys* (And Everyone Else). We discuss all things digital stimulation and and celebrate centering female pleasure. But first, what gets you stoked in climbing right now? Yer hyped-up hosts review some of the latest climbing news to surf the swell of stoke. For today’s final bit, of course,

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The RunOut #167: Matt Samet on documenting the state...

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2026/04/30

Matt Samet is a sport-climbing pioneer, climbing lifer, writer, editor, and literary icon. His new role at the American Alpine Club is launching the American Climbing Journal, an annual perfect-bound book documenting the biggest and most interesting ascents of the year.But first, what would it take to get you to quit climbing? Kalous briefly dreams of taking the easy way out before Bisharat knocks some sense into him, as per usual. Last but never least, our final bit comes from climber Stefan

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1:22:33

The RunOut #166: Melissa Strong: Grit, Healing, and...

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2026/04/20

Melissa Strong is a climber, restaurateur, and writer. In 2017, she nearly lost her life in an electrical accident that left her with amputated and disfigured hands. Her new book is called Climbing Through: A Courageous Story of Grit, Healing, and Second Chances.But first, we talk (more) about Dean Potter, the late climbing and BASE jumping visionary who is the subject of a new documentary called The Dark Wizard. Today’s final bit is a listener-submitted homage to some climbing partners and

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The RunOut #165: Chasing the big projects with Ethan...

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2026/03/29

Ethan Salvo is a Canadian climber based in Squamish, who’s best known as the first Canadian to climb V16. That same week, he also climbed Dreamcatcher, Chris Sharma’s 5.14d. And this past he winter, he climbed Lucid Dreaming, the V15 in Bishop.But first, your lukewarm podcast hosts discuss a hot take: Was hang dogging a mistake? Our final bit is Jess Steven with a cover of “Black Flies” Show Notes Follow Ethan Salvo: https://www.instagram.com/ethansalvo Ethan Salvo on

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1:28:52

The RunOut #164: Strong and Soft with Margo Hayes

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2026/03/17

Margo Hayes is a professional climber, model, musician, and artist — and she’s best known as the first woman to climb 5.15a, a grade she reached not just once, but three times: La Rambla, Biographie, and Papichulo. In recent years, a battle with Lyme disease has made climbing at her limit difficult, and she’s channeled her energy into art, music, and writing. Her new book, The Margo Method, outlines her approach to climbing and health.But first, we pore over the details of a very

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The RunOut #163: Connor Herson continues to crush...

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2026/02/18

Connor Herson is back. He needs no introduction, but he’s easily one of, if not the best, trad climber in the world at the moment. We talk about his 2025 climbing season in Yosemite, when he ticked the free Nose in a day, got a first free ascent of Triple Direct, and climbed many other major notable routes all while going to school.But first, what’s next for Alex Honnold? We have some ideas. Today’s final bit is from photographer and musician Cliff Ritchey, with the song

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The RunOut #162: Mary Eden on her ascent of Century...

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2026/01/30

Mary Eden is known on Instagram as Trad Princess but in real life, she’s one of the sport’s best offwidth crack climbers. Recently she acheived the first female ascent of Century Crack, perhaps the world’s longest and hardest wide roof crack. But first, we talk about what everyone’s talking about. Alex Honnold and Taipei 101. To listen to the full intro bit, however, you’ll need to head over to Patreon.com/runoutpodcast to become a supporter of the show. With just a few

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The RunOut #161: The man who wants to reinvent comp...

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2026/01/12

Just when you though you understood what a zone hold was … Hasn’t the comp climbing format already been “solved?” Some think there is room for improvement, including Charlie Boscoe, an alpinist turned World Cup commentator. He is the co-founder of the Professional Climbing League, a new comp series launching in London on February 28.But first, Chris sings praise of a crag where people know how to operate, and the wheat is separated from the chaff. Unfortunately, it turns out

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The RunOut #160: How Lara Neumeir Climbs with...

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2025/12/13

Lara Neumeier is a German climber known for her composure on demanding, heady terrain. Her notable ascents include a repeat of Psychogramm (5.14a trad), Silbergeier and End of Silence—two of the iconic multipitch alpine routes that form Europe’s so-called Alpine Trilogy—as well as El Corazón and the Pineapple Express on El Capitan.Before diving into Lara’s climbing and approach to mental strength, we open with a conversation about the benefits—and potential pitfalls—of choosing a climber as your

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The RunOut #159: Fallon Rowe Climbs Through Trauma...

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2025/11/26

Fallon Rowe is a climber, writer, coach, teacher, researcher, and many more things. Her new book is called Pay No Mind: A Memoir of Climbing, Abuse, and Survival. Beyond discussing the traumatic story that she tells in her book, we enjoyed listening to Fallon bring her always thoughtful, grounded perspective to the way she approaches movement, risk, and life on the rock.But first, we sit down to talk about The Art of Suffering. No, not the kind of suffering we normally describe of getting to

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1:27:31

The Runout #158: Laura Pineau and Kate Kellegan Go...

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2025/10/31

On June 8 Kate Kellegan and Laura Pineau (aka Mademoiselle Fissure) became the first women to complete the Yosemite Triple Crown. That means the climbed El Capitan, Half Dome and Mt. Watkins in a day. Their time was 23 hours, 36 minutes, and 40 seconds. In this conversation, Kate and Laura share the tactics they used to achieve their big link-up, including tapping into the stoke and support of the community. But first, Kalous lays down on the therapy couch while Dr. Bisharat tries to diagnose

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The RunOut #157: Born to climb with kids’ book author...

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2025/10/11

Danielle Sarli is a kindergarten teacher, musician, and passionate climber. She is the author of Little Climber, a new kids' book illustrated by Amanda Joy Hogan. We discuss how to tap into that kid-like innate urge to climb, and kindle the joy that we all feel when stand on top of the world—or our own projects. But first, your inquisitive show hosts take a moment to ask each other anything. Literally, anything. Last, we'd be remiss not to share some of Danielle's musical chops. Here she is

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The RunOut #156: The mysterious murder of a neo-nazi...

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2025/09/27

In 2017, a climber was murdered outside of Squamish. His body was found with gunshot wounds, inside a smoldering, burnt vehicle. He was suspected to be the climber known as Jesse James, a Squamish dirtbag who made his mark on the scene, both in real life and online. In fact, it took three years for investigators to discover his real name and his incredible and sordid past. Who was this person really and what clues did his past reveal about who killed him—or why? Steven Chua is a freelance journalist

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The RunOut #155: The state of American bolts with...

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2025/09/03

Nate Liles is a photographer, filmmaker, and development director at the American Safe Climbing Association. Today's conversation with Nate centers on the state of bolts and bolting in America today, and the tenuous landscape of route developers, local climbing organizations, land managers, and community-organized bolting events that keep the state of hardware at our crags in the best shape possible. We talk about best practices regarding how to maintain hardware, where we've inadvertently created

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