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The RunOut Podcast

Andrew Bisharat & Chris Kalous

Chris Kalous (The Enormocast) and Andrew Bisharat (Evening Sends) bring decades of climbing experience to the mic, talking with the most interesting voices in the sport. From bouldering to big walls, comps to alpinism—no discipline is off-limits and no dogma goes unchallenged. You might not always agree, but you’ll probably laugh about it later.

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1:27:31

The Runout #158: Laura Pineau and Kate Kellegan Go...

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2025/10/31

On June 8 Kate Kellegan and Laura Pineau (aka Mademoiselle Fissure) became the first women to complete the Yosemite Triple Crown. That means the climbed El Capitan, Half Dome and Mt. Watkins in a day. Their time was 23 hours, 36 minutes, and 40 seconds. In this conversation, Kate and Laura share the tactics they used to achieve their big link-up, including tapping into the stoke and support of the community. But first, Kalous lays down on the therapy couch while Dr. Bisharat tries to diagnose

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1:04:18

The RunOut #157: Born to climb with kids’ book author...

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2025/10/11

Danielle Sarli is a kindergarten teacher, musician, and passionate climber. She is the author of Little Climber, a new kids' book illustrated by Amanda Joy Hogan. We discuss how to tap into that kid-like innate urge to climb, and kindle the joy that we all feel when stand on top of the world—or our own projects. But first, your inquisitive show hosts take a moment to ask each other anything. Literally, anything. Last, we'd be remiss not to share some of Danielle's musical chops. Here she is

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1:21:12

The RunOut #156: The mysterious murder of a neo-nazi...

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2025/09/27

In 2017, a climber was murdered outside of Squamish. His body was found with gunshot wounds, inside a smoldering, burnt vehicle. He was suspected to be the climber known as Jesse James, a Squamish dirtbag who made his mark on the scene, both in real life and online. In fact, it took three years for investigators to discover his real name and his incredible and sordid past. Who was this person really and what clues did his past reveal about who killed him—or why? Steven Chua is a freelance journalist

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1:28:50

The RunOut #155: The state of American bolts with...

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2025/09/03

Nate Liles is a photographer, filmmaker, and development director at the American Safe Climbing Association. Today's conversation with Nate centers on the state of bolts and bolting in America today, and the tenuous landscape of route developers, local climbing organizations, land managers, and community-organized bolting events that keep the state of hardware at our crags in the best shape possible. We talk about best practices regarding how to maintain hardware, where we've inadvertently created

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1:07:02

Runout #154: Soul and Sandstone: Andrew Kornylak on...

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2025/08/18

Andrew Kornylak is a photographer, filmmaker, writer, and longtime climber. His new book is Spare These Stones. We speak about the rich culture of climbing in the. south, and how this place and its people have helped inform his work and inspire his latest book.But first, we talk about a climbing influencer who is using rage-bait free solo videos to gain attention on Instagram. Today's final bit comes from Denver-based climber Logan Underwood and his punk band Moonshake. The song is

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1:16:50

Runout #153: Sex, Angst, and Rocks—Emily Meg Weinstein

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2025/07/31

Emily Weinstein is a New Yorker, radical activist, rabid Met's fan, and climber who lives on a house boat in the San Francisco Bay. Her new book is called Turn to Stone: A Memoir. But first we catch up what's happening in our climbing worlds, from stancing out out projects to taking a stance on fear. Our final bit is an excerpt from a standup comedy act from Ethan Newman. Show Notes Follow Emily Weinstein Turn to Stone: A Memoir from Simon & Schuster Follow Ethan Newman The

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1:05:53

The RunOut #152: Will Moss (Actually) Day Flashes...

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2025/07/20

Will Moss is a trad climber originally from New York. He recently flashed Free Rider on El Capitan, becoming the first to do it in a day and only the second person ever to flash an El Cap free climb. Will's preparation to flash this route was insanely detailed, involving pouring over every video clip he could find, and person he could talk to. He even trained on simulators for the crux. Will shares the whole story of his groundbreaking ascent here. But first, what's better than having a project

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1:29:50

The RunOut #151: Linking it up with Tanner Wanish and...

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2025/06/29

Tanner Wanish and Michael Vaill are two of the best speed climbers in Yosemite today. They currently hold the record for the historic Yosemite Triple Crown with a time of 17 hours and 55 minutes, and they're also the only climbers to also add in a fourth big wall on top of that feat—a linkup they dubbed the Quad. We spoke to Tanner and Michael about their partnership, the allure of linkups, the dangers of speed climbing and competition, and the real joy beyond what you see on social media of

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1:14:20

RunOut 150: Girl Climber, with Emily Harrington and...

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2025/06/11

Jon Glassberg is a photographer and filmmaker, and Emily Harrington is one of America's most prolific professional climbers, whose all-around feats span summits of 8,000 meter peaks, 5.14, National Comp podiums, and free ascents of El Capitan. Their new film is Girl Climber, which is profile of Emily and her quest to free climb Golden Gate on El Capitan in a day. But first, crack open a case of Send Lite and help us ponder whether we need way more terms for doing what we do with our

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1:33:05

RunOut 149: Jordan Cannon and Mark Hudon, live from...

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2025/05/22

Jordan Cannon is a professional climber, known for his free and speed-climbing feats on El Capitan. Mark Hudon is one of the fathers of big-wall free climbing, best known for making a very early and audacious free attempt of the Salathé Wall in 1979 with Max Jones, nearly a decade before El Cap was officially first free climbed by Todd Skinner and Paul Piana. Jordan and Mark's partnership is legendary, best encapsulated in the film "Free As Can Be," which documents Jordan's ascent of Freerider in a

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1:21:56

RunOut 148: The Evolution of Sonnie Trotter

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2025/05/17

Sonnie Trotter is a professional climber from Canada, whose notable ascents include the first ascent of Cobra Crack in Squamish, The Shining on Mount Louis, and the Pineapple Express on El Capitan. His new book is called UPLIFTED: The Evolution of a Climbing Life.But first, is it aid? One of climbing's most perennial questions comes up in a way that leaves your hosts breathless. Our final bit is "Yamashiro" by Recorduroy, a fusion band based in Colorado, with climber Dave Cohen on

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1:26:35

RunOut 147: How Briana Mazzolini-Blanchard is Pushing...

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2025/05/05

Briana Mazzolini-Blanchard is the executive director of Urban Native Collective, the host of the Life on the Margins: An Urban Native Experience podcast, the co-founder of the Indigenous Field Guide, and a collaborator with the American Climbing Project. She recently stepped down from the Red River Gorge Climbing Coalition Board of Directors over their decision to discontinue their community programming: Climb L8, an initiative integral to their efforts to remove systemic and financial barriers to

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1:35:35

RunOut #146: From Big Walls to Open Water: Unlocking...

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2025/04/16

Mark Synnott is a professional big-wall climber, expedition sailor, and writer whose books have included The Third Pole and The Impossible Climb. His latest book is Into The Ice, an epic read about his recent voyage across the infamous Northwest Passage and the historical mysteries that lie within. The 6,736-mile journey takes 112 days, allowing Mark to give us his most personal memoir yet while weaving in the historical details of British explorer Sir John Franklin and the 128 men he led on an

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1:12:05

RunOut #145: Here Come the Management Plans

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2025/04/03

Earlier this year, the Bears Ears Resource Management Plan dropped, outlining rules regarding camping, waste management, dogs, and, perhaps most controversially, fixed anchors for new routes across the monument, which includes, of course, Indian Creek. Jason Keith is a senior policy advisor at the Access Fund who has spent his career navigating the legal and relational fog of securing access for climbers across the country. He was deeply involved in the development of this plan and talks to us today

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RunOut #144: Life After Competition: Hannah Schubert...

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2025/03/19

Hannah Schubert is an Austrian climber who has podiumed at the World Cup and the World Championships. Now retired from professional competition, Hannah was recently profiled in Der Spiegel, one of Germanys' largest publications, where she opened up about her struggles with eating disorders during the height of her competitive career.Our conversation traces Hannah's career, from climbing alongside her brother Jakob, to the hyper competitive world of Austrian climbing, and what it meant to stand

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1:17:09

RunOut #143: PARC Act Passes, so What’s Next For...

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2025/02/28

The Protect America's Rock Climbing Act was signed into law at the end of President Biden's term. The PARC Act mandates that various government departments issue guideance recognizing rock climbing as a legitimate use of public lands, including the placement and maintenance of fixed anchors in Wilderness. This historic act was the result of a multi-year campaign spearheaded by the Access Fund. Our guests today are Access Fund executive director Heather Thorne and deputy director Erik Murdock. This

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1:16:51

RunOut #142: Jason Kehl and the Evolution of Bouldering

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2025/02/19

Jason Kehl is a hold shaper, iconclast, and highball bouldering legend, perhaps best known for his first ascent of Evilution in the Buttermilks. Today, he lives in El Paso, Texas, where he continues to establish first ascents all over Hueco Tanks. He is also continue to work with So Ill to create climbing holds. Our conversation traces the evolution of bouldering as a sport for misfits and outcasts to the conformist scene of today.But first, we respond to the tragic news of an ice-climbing death

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1:23:57

RunOut #141: The Joy of Struggle, According to Ryan...

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2025/01/29

Ryan Devlin is an actor who has appeared in such shows as Brothers and Sisters, Cougar Town, and Grey's Anatomy. Climbers, however, will know him as the host of one of our favorite climbing podcasts, The Struggle Climbing Show. In this episode, we catch up with Ryan after he redpointed his hardest rock climb to date at the Red River Gorge, and hear about what it was like to share that redpoint journey with his audience.But first, pass the xenon gas and strap in the nitro, it's time to climb

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1:31:56

RunOut #140: Chris Deuto Seeks More in the Mountains

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2025/01/14

Though just 21, Chris Deuto has already amassed an impressive lifetime of climbing since first starting the sport at age 7. Having ticked 5.14c and V14 and done national-level competitions, Chris has shifted his focus to more alpine-centered climbs, from Aconcagua to Fitz Roy. Most recently, he made the first free rope-solo winter ascent of the Diamond face of Long's Peak in his home state of Colorado. Chris has consciously brought his process-centered approach to the forefront of his climbing,

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1:34:00

RunOut 139: Fred Nicole speaks to the soul of bouldering

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2024/12/22

Fred Nicole's name is synonymous with hard bouldering. The dude is legend, responsible for establishing the world's first V14 and first V15, always while bringing an artistic, quiet approach that has defined the soul of bouldering for over four decades. Today Fred works as a shoe designer for So Ill, and continues to explore the forests of his native Switzerland—among other areas around the world—for new boulders that capture his imagination.But first, Chris shares some stories about an escape

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