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Living Off Rentals

We believe that a high quality rental property is the best investment a person can make. This podcast equips listeners to build a rental portfolio of their own. Each week host, Kirby Atwell, interviews someone who is living off rentals and identifies best practices, advice, and potential investing pitfalls to avoid!

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#322 - How to Run Short-Term Rentals Without a...

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2026/04/15

Joining us in this episode of Living Off Rentals is a founder who went from being an Airbnb host by accident to building one of the most recognized property management platforms in the short-term rental space. Pierre-Camille Hamana is the co-founder of Hospitable, a software designed to help hosts automate operations, increase direct bookings, and run their rentals more like a real business. Listen as he shares how a simple frustration with guest messaging turned into a powerful tool now used by

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37:34

#321 - Creating Scalable Cash Flow with Mobile Home...

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2026/04/08

Joining us in this episode of Living Off Rentals is a real estate investor who built a portfolio of mobile home parks and land development projects in just a few years. Robert Howell is the founder of Howell & Sons, a family-driven real estate company based in South Carolina. He specializes in mobile home park investing and creating affordable housing through land-home packages. Listen as he shares how he got started during COVID, why he chose mobile home parks, and how he's scaling cash flow while

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42:02

#320 - How to Sell Your Home Without a Realtor - Tim...

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2026/04/01

Joining us in this episode of Living Off Rentals is a former Marine turned successful real estate agent. Tim Street is the founder of FoolProof FSBO (For Sale By Owner). After years in the industry, he realized that many homeowners were paying large commissions for processes they could handle themselves. By teaching sellers how the process works, Tim helps them keep more equity from their home sale, avoid paying large commissions, and take control over pricing, marketing, and negotiations. Listen

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#319 - Why Smart Investors Use Self-Directed IRAs for...

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2026/03/25

Joining us on this episode of Living Off Rentals is someone who helps investors take control of their retirement investments. Nick Sahagun is an expert in self-directed retirement investing and alternative assets. He works closely with investors who want more control over their retirement funds and the ability to invest in opportunities outside the traditional stock market, including real estate. Listen as he shares how self-directed IRAs and 401(k)s allow investors to deploy retirement capital into

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42:46

#318 - How Smart Systems Turn Small Landlords Into...

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2026/03/18

Joining us in this episode of Living Off Rentals is Ryan Barone, CEO and co-founder of RentRedi, an all-in-one, data-powered rental management platform built specifically for independent landlords. Ryan shares how RentRedi evolved from a simple rental application tool that he designed for personal use, to a full-service platform. He explains why execution matters, how small operational habits can dramatically improve cash flow, and why systems are what allow landlords to scale. He also dives into

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01:06:25

#317 - How Smart Design Creates Big Short-Term Rental...

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2026/03/11

Joining us in this episode of Living Off Rentals is Kaitlyn Rowsey Aronis, CEO and founder of CoHo House, a nationwide design and co-hosting firm helping investors maximize short-term rental returns. Before launching her company, Kaitlyn worked at Airbnb on the Airbnb Plus program, where she helped define what high-performing, design-forward listings really look like. In this conversation, Kaitlyn breaks down why there is no one-size-fits-all strategy in short-term rentals. She also shares how your

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43:08

#316 - Keeping Your Portfolio Profitable Year-Round...

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2026/03/04

Joining us in this episode of Living Off Rentals is a mid-term rental investor and team member at Furnished Finder. With 12 mid-term rentals across multiple states, our guest for today has built a flexible portfolio designed to generate strong cash flow and offer long-term optionality. Katie Lyon shares how she discovered mid-term rentals while working in commercial real estate, why she believes they offer the perfect middle ground between long-term and short-term rentals, and how arbitrage helped

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45:31

#315 - Leaving a 30-Year Career for High-Cash-Flowing...

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2026/02/25

Joining us in this episode of Living Off Rentals is someone who walked away from a 30-year corporate career to build a short-term rental portfolio designed around freedom, family, and intentional living. Born in Cuba and raised under communism before immigrating to the U.S., Carlos Vazquez is a former global talent acquisition executive, the founder of Cabin Vistas, and a member of my short-term rental Blueprint program. In this episode, Carlos shares how his upbringing, a cancer scare in his

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49:06

#314 - Why Buying a Second Home First Can Be a...

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2026/02/18

Joining us in this episode of Living Off Rentals is an award-winning publicist, hospitality veteran, and short-term rental expert who has built a profitable portfolio by thinking differently about how and where to invest. Katie Cline is the host of the Second Home First podcast and Suite Success: Masters of Hospitality. She has worked behind the scenes with global luxury hotel brands including Ritz-Carlton, St. Regis, and W Hotels, and now applies those hospitality principles to her own short-term

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40:22

#313 - How an Air Force Veteran Turned Remote...

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2026/02/11

Joining us on this episode of Living Off Rentals is someone who built confidence, systems, and time freedom by learning real estate from the ground up. Stephanie Bacue is a U.S. Air Force veteran, short-term rental investor, and founder of Simply Welcome Stays. After transitioning from military service to corporate consulting, she began learning real estate as a complete beginner and went on to build a remote portfolio of short-term rental duplexes in Greenville, South Carolina. Listen as she shares

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34:41

#312 - Turning Vacant Retail Buildings Into High...

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2026/02/04

Joining us in this episode of Living Off Rentals is a seasoned real estate developer with more than five decades of hands-on experience across residential, commercial, and industrial properties. David Pelusio Sr. has spent over 55 years building, owning, and operating assets ranging from warehouses and shopping centers to large-scale self-storage facilities. Today, his focus is on converting vacant big-box retail buildings into climate-controlled self-storage. Listen as David breaks down why

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55:48

#311 - Why Building Income Matters More Than Building...

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2026/01/28

Joining us in this episode of Living Off Rentals is returning guest Dustin Heiner, real estate investor, coach, and founder of Master Passive Income. Dustin has been on the show more times than any other guest, and for good reason. After getting laid off from his government job, he began buying rental properties with a clear focus on cash flow. By his late 30s, his rental income had replaced his W-2, giving him full control over his time. In this conversation, Dustin shares why income, not net

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43:17

#310 - Just Buy a House Already Using Subject-To...

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2026/01/21

Joining us on this episode of Living Off Rentals is William Tingle, a creative real estate investor, coach, and author of the new book, Just Buy a House Already. William first appeared on the show in 2023, and our conversation picks up right where his story leaves off. After leaving a demanding career in the restaurant industry, William built his business around subject-to and seller-financed deals that generate cash flow without tenants, heavy rehabs, or traditional rentals. Listen as he shares how

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49:43

#309 - Building Financial Freedom Through 20+ Real...

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2026/01/14

Joining us in this episode of Living Off Rentals is a Naval Academy graduate, retired Navy pilot, and lifelong entrepreneur who quietly built real estate wealth while serving 20 years in the military. Stu Grazier's journey started long before real estate podcasts were mainstream. From flipping raw land and house hacking in San Diego before the term even existed, to private lending during deployments, he shares how he built wealth by taking action, learning through failure, and staying disciplined

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48:11

#308 - From Academia to Airbnb: Turning Data into...

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2026/01/07

What happens when a former cancer researcher and college professor applies a data-driven mindset to short-term rentals? Joining us in this episode of Living Off Rentals is someone who spent 12 years teaching college biology and advising future doctors and pre-med students. Today, he's a short-term rental investor focused on building cash flow and flexibility through data-driven decisions. Drew Ivey shares his journey from academia into real estate investing, and how one well-researched short-term

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40:16

#307 - Building a W-2 Exit Plan with Short-Term...

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2025/12/31

In this episode of Living Off Rentals, host Kirby Atwell sits down with Stephen Arnaud, an engineer, W-2 employee, and father of three, who's intentionally building his path out of the 9-to-5 through short-term rentals. Stephen shares why, even though he enjoys his career, the demands of a W-2 job started to conflict with family life and long-term freedom. Like many high-performing professionals, he realized that traditional investing alone wasn't going to give him the flexibility he wanted anytime

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35:28

#306 - Saving Historic Buildings and Creating Value...

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2025/12/24

Joining us for today's episode of Living Off Rentals is someone who specializes in historic preservation projects that many investors overlook, but can be transformed into high-performing rental assets. Kevin Kreger is Kirby Atwell's longtime friend and a construction expert. He is the founder of On Point Construction and Fiddle Leaf Development. He breaks down how he transitioned into design-build work and eventually into restoring historic downtown buildings with serious cash-flow potential

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40:04

#305 - Building $50K/Month in Passive Income Without...

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2025/12/17

Joining us on this episode of Living Off Rentals is someone who teaches people how to build income streams on their own terms. Joey Mure is the co-founder of Wealth Without Wall Street, a platform dedicated to helping people rethink traditional money advice and create passive income that gives people more control over their lives. Once a high-earning corporate professional who felt constantly pulled away from his family, Joey now generates over $50,000 a month in passive income and guides others

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45:20

#304 - How Short-Term Rentals Let Her Quit HR and...

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2025/12/10

Joining us on this episode of Living Off Rentals is a Navy veteran and mom of three who went from a high-pressure military career to building a real estate business that allowed her family to take back their time. Karin Ventresca is a Naval Academy graduate, former nuclear engineer, HR professional, and now a full-time real estate investor and short-term rental operator. After years of long commutes, daycare drop-offs, and COVID-era burnout, she and her husband built a short-term rental portfolio

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#303 - From 9th Grade Dropout to Early Retirement...

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2025/12/03

What does it take to go from dropping out of school in ninth grade to owning more than 150 rental units and retiring in your 40s? Matt Hawkins, also known as the Lumberjack Landlord, is a self-taught investor who now manages over 50 buildings and 400 tenants with just one employee — all from his phone. He joins us on this episode of Living Off Rentals to unpack his incredible journey from humble beginnings to financial freedom. Listen as he shares how early mistakes, creative deal-making (like

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