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43:06

#53 Michael Jordan v NASCAR

Trust and Trade ·

2025/11/24

Why is Michael Jordan's racing team suing NASCAR? MJ's 23XI team and Bob Jenkins' Front Row have been locked in a heated antitrust lawsuit with NASCAR over the charter system at the heart of the Cup Series, with the case set to go to trial on Dec 1, 2025. Brooklyn Law School Professor Jodi Balsam joins host Anant Raut and co-host Sathya Gosselin to talk about the history of NASCAR, the legal issues that remain to be decided, and how this monumental showdown between two of the biggest names in

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39:50

#52 Regulating AI, Ep. 4: South Korea

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2025/10/27

How is South Korea reshaping AI regulation? In this episode, D&A's Yaera Jeon joins hosts Anant Raut, Rory Macmillan, and Nina Jayne Carroll to unpack South Korea's new AI Framework Act, the first comprehensive national AI regulation in Asia. They talk about its competing policy goals, broad extraterritorial reach, and compliance obligations for high-impact AI systems. They also discuss the government's recent guidance on the Act and whether it weakens the impact of the new regulations. With special

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46:35

#51 What Makes a Price Illegal?

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2025/09/29

What makes the price charged by a digital platform illegal? Host Anant Raut talks to antitrust economists Tasneem Chipty and Michael Katz about the legality of high and low prices, cross-platform network effects, and contentious practices like predatory pricing and bundled discounts. Learn how antitrust law looks at MFNs, "free" online services, and two-sided markets in this spellbinding episode! With special guests: Dr. Tasneem Chipty, Founder, Chipty Economics LLC and Dr. Michael Katz, Professor

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49:59

#50 Are IP Remedies in Big Tech Cases Going Too Far?

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2025/09/01

Should Big Tech companies be required to open up their intellectual property when they break the antitrust laws? In this episode of Trust and Trade, experts debate whether requiring Apple to open up its app store restrictions, or Google to license its search data and divest Android, reduce incentives to innovate or are necessary to restore competitive balance. DuckDuckGo’s Joe Jerome and economist Keith Waehrer join host Anant Raut and co-host Jennifer Dixton to talk about how far is too far and

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40:02

#49 Regulating AI, Ep. 3: Brazil

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2025/08/04

How is Brazil shaping AI regulation in the Global South? Our latest episode explores the Brazil AI Act, which if passed would become the first comprehensive federal AI regulation in the world to require AI companies to pay creators for using their work to train their systems. Pinheiro Neto Advogados's Raphael de Cunto joins host Anant Raut and co-hosts Rory Macmillan and Nina Jayne Carroll for a conversation on how Brazil’s approach could create a blueprint for global AI regulation, and its

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45:58

#48 Regulating AI, Ep. 2: The EU

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2025/06/30

How will the "Brussels effect" shape AI regulation across the rest of the globe? Europe is once again the first to regulate a new digital market, with the adoption of the AI Act. But was it passed too hastily? N-Square's Caroline de Kock joins host Anant Raut and guest co-hosts Rory Macmillan and Nina Jayne Carroll to discuss what we know the AI Act requires, what remains ambiguous, and the parts that EU enforcers have already begun to reconsider. If you're a practitioner advising clients, or a

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37:33

#47 Regulating AI

Trust and Trade ·

2025/06/16

How are different countries shaping the future of AI? We start a brand-new series on Trust and Trade examining different regulatory approaches to artificial intelligence around the world. In this kickoff episode, experts Viktor Mayer-Schönberger and Anu Bradford debate strong vs light regulatory approaches to AI and explain "the Brussels effect." Will regulating too much/too soon quash innovation? Will regulating too lightly/too late open Pandora's Box? Join this lively conversation hosted by Anant

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42:02

#46 Did the Quick Look Test Switch Teams?

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2025/05/26

Can defendants now wield the “quick look” test to beat antitrust claims? In this episode of Trust and Trade, experts unpack the meaning of Justice Gorsuch's language in the Supreme Court’s Alston decision, and debate whether “quick look condemnation” is a game-changer or just rare dicta. Tune in for real-world insights and lively discussion featuring former FTC Commissioner Terry Calvani and Jones Day's Larissa Bergin, moderated by host Anant Raut and guest co-host University of South Carolina

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32:30

#45 Deals Down Under: Foreign Investment in Australia

Trust and Trade ·

2025/05/12

Thinking about investing in Australia? This episode of Trust and Trade dives into Australia's sweeping new merger control reforms and their impact on foreign investment. Antitrust partner Kirsten Webb and Department of Treasury's (AUS) Annalisa Heger break down the changes, from mandatory filings to faster reviews, and how they interact with existing foreign investment controls. Stay ahead of the curve and learn what these updates mean for global investors! With special guests: Kirsten Webb,

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26:43

#44 Space Antitrust

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2025/04/14

Can antitrust law keep up with the rapidly evolving space industry? This episode of Trust and Trade examines the challenges in maintaining a level playing field in space travel, satellite launches, and deep-space exploration. Space law expert Maria Rhimbassen and antitrust expert Dylan Carson join Anant Raut and co-host Amanda Norton to discuss government intervention, market monopolization, and the legal gaps in space regulation. Can we rely on the free market to preserve competition in space? Or

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37:33

#43 DeepSeek, and App-Level Competition in AI

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2025/03/17

Has the entrance of DeepSeek completely disrupted competition in AI? App developer Scott Weiner and antitrust expert Elyse Dorsey discuss the concentration concerns at every level of the AI stack. Later we examine whether the emergence of DeepSeek, a Chinese AI startup, completely changes how we think about what is needed to compete at the app level in AI. We conclude by looking ahead to where the AI app market may be a year from now. With special guests: Scott Weiner, AI Lead and Fractional Chief

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31:35

#42 The Problem With Pixels

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2025/03/03

Do you find it unnerving when ads follow you around the internet? Today's episode reveals how websites monetize user behavior through advertising technologies such as tracking pixels. Our panel of advertising and privacy experts explain how ad re-targeting works, and debate the Federal Trade Commission's guidance on improper use of pixel technology and the potential impact on businesses and consumers. With special guests: Michael Sherling, Attorney, Federal Trade Commission, Olivia Adendorff,

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49:47

#41 RICO Claims in Antitrust

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2025/01/13

In this episode, experts dive into the novel approach of adding racketeering charges in private antitrust litigation. Initially used to bring down organized crime rings, claims under the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act (RICO) have appeared in plaintiffs' lawsuits in the LIBOR and broiler chicken price-fixing cases. Host Anant Raut and co-host Sam Randall of Sperling Kenny Nachtwalter talk to Christina Lopez of the California DOJ and Ryan Holt of Sherrard Roe Voigt & Harbison PLC

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33:05

#40 Mergernomics: Diversion Analysis

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2024/12/23

In this latest episode of our wildly popular "Mergernomics" series, Ph.D. economist Dr. Joanna Tsai explains diversion analysis, an economic tool used by antitrust enforcers to examine how closely two companies compete and whether their merger will be bad for consumers. Host Anant Raut and co-host Carla Hine then dive into different types of diversion analysis, as well as some of the limitations of the test. With special guest: Joanna Tsai, Vice President, Cornerstone Research Related Links: The

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21:22

#39 Mergernomics: Merger Simulations

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2024/11/25

In the latest episode of our popular "Mergernomics" series, Ted Rosenbaum, Deputy Director in the Bureau of Economics at the U.S. Federal Trade Commission, explains how enforcers apply merger simulations to predict market changes after a proposed merger, sometimes with unexpected results. Hosts Anant Raut and Virginie Caspard then dive into two enforcement actions (against the Aetna-Humana and Wilhelmsen-Drew mergers) where merger simulations were used, and later discuss whether merger simulations

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37:59

#38 Mergernomics: Bargaining Leverage

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2024/10/14

In the latest episode in our popular "Mergernomics" series, Compass Lexecon's Hélder Vasconcelos tells you everything you need to know about bargaining leverage theory - how to calculate it, what it means, and when to use it. Hosts Anant Raut and Paula Camara discuss with Dr. Vasconcelos how merger enforcers applied this theory in their reviews of the AT&T/Time Warner and Fresenius/NxStage mergers, and differences between the US and European approaches. The panel also talks about the challenges and

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27:28

#37 Mergernomics: Vertical Math

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2024/09/23

By now in our popular "Mergernomics" series you've learned how to calculate the potential harm from a horizontal merger; but how do you measure the risk from a vertical merger? In this episode, Cornerstone Research's Dr. Craig Malam tells you everything you need to know about "Vertical Math" analysis in merger review - how to calculate it, what it tells you, and when to use it. Hosts Anant Raut and Analysis Group's Emily Cotton use Microsoft's controversial acquisition of video game maker Activision

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52:53

#36 "An Oral History of the Capacitors Trial"

Trust and Trade ·

2024/09/02

In this episode, listeners will hear the oral history of the landmark capacitors price-fixing case, a case that went to trial not once but twice in the midst of a worldwide pandemic. Attorneys for both the plaintiffs and the defense discuss their courtroom strategies, their approach to damages and guilty pleas, and adjustments they had to make on the fly in response to an unprecedented global health crisis. Later, presiding Judge James Donato shares his perspective on what worked well and what

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18:20

#35 "Mergernomics: GUPPIs"

Trust and Trade ·

2024/08/19

In this episode of Trust and Trade, Dr. Elizabeth Wang, Executive VP of economic consulting firm Compass Lexecon, explains how antitrust enforcers use the Gross Upward Pricing Pressure Index (GUPPI) analysis to determine whether to stop a merger. Dr. Wang walks listeners through what the GUPPI test is, what it tells you, when to use it, and its advantages and limitations. Later, host Anant Raut and co-host NERA's Anton Kandalin discuss how the GUPPI test was used to challenge the Penguin Random

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48:19

#34 "Why Is My Grocery Bill So High?"

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2024/08/05

Why are groceries more expensive than they were 4 years ago? In this episode, agriculture policy expert Austin Frerick and economist Tim Richards debate the impact of consolidation on food prices, and the role antitrust should play. Hosts Anant Raut, Evan Harris, and Erika Inwald later discuss the Federal Trade Commission's lawsuit to block the Kroger-Albertson's merger, and what to expect at trial later this month. With special guests: Austin Frerick, Fellow, Thurman Arnold Project (Yale

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