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Leadership In Law: Growth & Leadership for Law Firm Owners

Marilyn Jenkins

Leadership In Law™ is the podcast for law firm owners, managing partners, and attorneys who want to build stronger firms and become better leaders. Hosted by Marilyn Jenkins, founder of Law Marketing Zone® and a digital growth strategist for law firms, each episode brings practical conversations with accomplished attorneys, law firm leaders, and industry experts. We explore law firm growth, leadership, marketing, AI and legal technology, hiring, culture, client experience, communication, operations,

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30:55

Building a Collaborative, Happy, Multi-Location Firm...

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2026/10/05

If your law firm feels busy but brittle, like one missed deadline or one tough personality could tip the whole place into stress, you’re not alone. I’m joined by Tara Jalali Malek, co-owner at Malek + Malek, and a former federal and state prosecutor, to talk about what actually makes a firm strong: culture you can feel, leadership you can measure, and systems that turn talented attorneys into a real team. We dig into why mentorship matters so much in the legal profession, especially wh...

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27:38

Why Great Engineering Teams Slow Down and How to Fix...

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2026/10/01

Your product roadmap can look perfect on paper while your engineering team quietly grinds to a halt. When that happens, the issue is rarely “lazy developers” or “bad attitudes” it’s usually overload, unclear priorities, and a business engineering communication gap that makes every request feel like an emergency. We sit down with Thanos Diacakis, a software leader with nearly 30 years of experience across startups and tech giants, to unpack what actually helps teams ship high-quality software...

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33:06

The Reality of Governmento Overreach & Your First...

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2026/09/28

Your divorce, your business, and your online life are not separate anymore and pretending they are can cost you real money. We sit down with Evan Turk, a family law attorney known for complex, high-stakes divorce and asset protection work, to talk about the decisions that quietly wreck settlements and the habits that keep entrepreneurs exposed when relationships break down. We unpack the biggest financial mistakes people make before and during divorce, why “being reasonable” can turn into ne...

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34:17

Preparing Your Business for Investment or Exit with...

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2026/09/24

Scaling a business is hard enough. Scaling it with the wrong partners, a messy cap table, and handshake governance can quietly set you up for a blowup later. We talk with Albert Lin, Chief Investment Officer at Northview Law and founder of dCarbon VC, about what he learned moving from corporate M&A to private equity and then into the operator seat building a growing firm designed to serve secondary and tertiary markets where quality professional services are in short supply. Albert share...

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29:56

HybridHero to Manage Real Estate Costs with Chris Burke

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2026/09/21

Your office might be costing you far more than rent, and not because it’s “too big” in a simple way. The real leak is uncertainty: partners and leadership teams making high-stakes decisions about space, staffing, and hybrid policies without reliable workplace utilization data. I sit down with Australian entrepreneur and advisor Christopher Burke, founder of Brickendon Consulting and the workplace platform HybridHero, to unpack what law firm leaders are missing and how to fix it. We dig into ...

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32:22

The Mental Fitness Advantage: How Lawyers Perform at...

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2026/09/17

Your law brain is your livelihood, yet most of us treat it like it can run on fumes forever. Marilyn Jenkins sits down with Emily Heird, a licensed therapist and certified mental performance coach, to reframe attorney stress through a sharper lens: lawyers are cognitive athletes, and the pressure-cooker realities of law firm ownership demand mental training, not shame and labels. We dig into what Emily sees most with high performers in law, finance, and healthcare: overwork without recovery,...

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29:58

Improve Client Intake with MyPartnerLab.co with Dr....

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2026/09/14

A packed calendar can still hide a serious revenue leak: consults that never convert because the client is deeply undecided. We sit down with Dr. Merideth Thompson, a negotiation professor, work-life researcher, and the founder of Partner Lab, to name that leak and measure its impact. She calls it the “ambivalence tax” and for family law firms it shows up as wasted consultations, retainer reversals, emotional labor, and rising burnout across attorneys and intake teams. We get practical...

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31:33

AI Powered Systems & Senior Level Legal Judgement...

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2026/09/10

The billable hour wasn’t designed for the way businesses buy legal help today, and clients feel it every time a routine request turns into an expensive, slow, hard to implement deliverable. We sit down with Brian Elliott, a longtime general counsel and legal tech founder, to map what’s breaking in the traditional law firm model and what replaces it when legal services start looking more like infrastructure: scalable, reliable, and quietly embedded in day to day operations. We dig into why so...

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34:55

Hidden Fees That Are Hurting Your 401(k) with Paul...

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2026/09/07

Your law firm may be bleeding retirement dollars without a single obvious warning sign. No invoice. No line item in your operating expenses. Just quiet, recurring 401(k) fees pulled from participant accounts month after month, year after year. I’m joined by forensic 401(k) consultant Paul Sippil, who has spent 17 years analyzing public retirement plan filings and documenting what he believes are widespread excessive charges hiding in plain sight. We dig into the “irony problem” that hi...

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30:33

S04E170 Improve Your Negotiations Using The Formula...

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2026/09/03

Negotiation gets painted as pressure, conflict, and “winning” at all costs but that mindset quietly costs law firm owners money, time, and relationships. Marilyn Jenkins sits down with attorney, speaker, and negotiation expert Lynn Price, who has negotiated more than 11,000 agreements, to share a repeatable way to handle high-stakes conversations without getting reactive or giving away leverage. We walk through Lynn’s practical “3 R’s” framework for contract negotiation and everyday leadersh...

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36:34

S04E169 Entity Engineering for AI Visibility with...

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2026/08/31

AI is no longer just a tool people use. It’s becoming the reader that interprets your website, your profiles, and your reputation, then decides whether to cite you, include you, or recommend you as the choice. That’s why this conversation with technologist and system architect Jason Wade hits differently: we’re not talking theory, we’re talking what actually makes a law firm visible as search shifts toward Google Overviews, Gemini, and ChatGPT style answers. We get honest about the confusing...

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30:46

S04E168 Active Listening & Communication for Growth...

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2026/08/24

If your negotiation style “works” but leaves everyone tense, resentful, or exhausted, it’s costing you more than you think. We sit down with Arlene Cohen Miller, an AV Preeminent ® Rated Attorney, ICF-certified professional coach, and CEO of Jewel Consultancy, to unpack what real executive presence looks like in the legal world and why it’s the fastest path to trust when conversations get hard. We get practical about negotiation skills for lawyers that aren’t taught in law school: acti...

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34:40

S04E167 Three Levels of Connection to Save Your...

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2026/08/18

Marriages do not usually fall apart in one dramatic moment. More often, they get quietly put on hold while life feels urgent: building a practice, chasing deadlines, raising kids, paying bills, and keeping everything moving. We sit down with Dr. Lee Baucom, a marriage coach and creator of the Save the Marriage System, to name that pattern clearly: the “pause button marriage” and the slow drift into disconnection that can leave two good people feeling like roommates. We dig into the pra...

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36:15

S04E166 Changes in the Legal Profession in 50+ Years...

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2026/08/10

The fastest way to lose your edge as a lawyer is to shrink your world down to a screen and a timesheet. We sit down with Mark Zauderer, a veteran New York trial and appellate lawyer known for high-stakes business and commercial litigation, to unpack what actually builds a lasting legal career: real training, real relationships, and the courage to bet on yourself. Mark shares the leadership journey behind his book, “Counsel, The Courtroom Is Open,” including the moments that pushed him to fin...

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S04E165 Private Aviation as a Strategic Business Tool...

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2026/08/03

Private aviation is often dismissed as a luxury, but Dave Coleman, president of Coleman Jet Solutions and a pilot with 35 years of experience, explains why many law firms view it as a strategic tool. We discuss how private flying can save time, improve productivity, and provide confidentiality while traveling. Dave also breaks down which firms benefit most, covering use cases like trial travel, expanding into new markets, and reaching cities with limited airline access. He explains how differ...

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28:51

BONUS: The Authority Era: Why AI Is Changing Legal...

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2026/07/28

For more than twenty years, legal marketing has revolved around one question: Where do I rank? But something fundamental has shifted. Your future clients are no longer typing keywords into a search box and choosing from ten blue links. They're opening ChatGPT, Gemini, Claude, and Google AI, and simply asking who they should hire. And here's the uncomfortable truth at the heart of this episode: your firm can have a beautiful website, strong rankings, and thousands of dollars in monthly marke...

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S04E164 Virtual Executive Assistants For Business...

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2026/07/27

Your calendar is packed, your brain is louder than your inbox, and somehow you’re still the one chasing updates. That’s not a workload problem, it’s an ownership problem. Marilyn Jenkins sits down with Gina Cotner, founder and CEO of Athena Executive Services, to unpack what changes when you stop delegating tasks and start delegating responsibility to a high-caliber executive assistant. We dig into the mechanics of accountability, including the simple but often avoided question: “When ...

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S04E163 Community Networking to Grow Your Firm with...

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2026/07/20

He used to defend insurance companies. Now he helps injured people take them on, with a calm approach that gets results. We sit down with California personal injury attorney Anderson Franco, founder of Anderson Franco Law, to unpack what he learned during seven years in insurance defense and how that insider knowledge changes everything on the plaintiff side, from evaluating liability to presenting evidence in a way an insurance adjuster can act on. We also get real about what clients actuall...

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S04E162 Animal Cruelty's Connection to Domestic...

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2026/07/14

Animal cruelty is often dismissed as “someone else’s problem,” but it frequently overlaps with violence in the home. Attorney Joyce Glass joins us to discuss the legal and human realities behind cruelty investigations and why they can serve as early warning signs for abuse. Joyce shares how a dog named Lucy led her into animal protection work and how her advocacy now includes legislation, law enforcement partnerships, and courtroom work. We also discuss policy efforts like banning roadside an...

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S04E161 CopyCatch to Stop eCommerce Infringement...

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2026/07/06

Copycats do not just steal a product. They steal momentum, cashflow, and confidence. When Alan Li’s e-commerce brand went viral during COVID, hundreds of counterfeit and knockoff listings appeared across Amazon and other marketplaces, undercutting price and pulling sales away fast. The worst part was not only the revenue drop, but watching stolen photos and even cause marketing get reused by strangers who faced zero real consequences. We sit down with Alan and his attorney, Nicholas Le...

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