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TAB Storytellers

Abi Paytoe Gbayee & Jen Ferrari

Join hosts Jen Ferrari (she/her) and Abi Paytoe Gbayee (she/her) as they have informal conversations with TAB leaders and educators, discussing topics related to the Teaching for Artistic Behavior movement in art education. Our goal with this TABcast is to hear the stories of how folx found TAB, are implementing TAB in their classrooms, and answer questions related to TAB. Also we promise to laugh at ourselves often and not take any of this too seriously, we just aren"t those people.

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01:13:44

S4E5: Meet Anna Gibson and Steve Heil

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2025/11/01

Join Jen and Abi as they chat with Anna Gibson, TAB art educator in Santa Fe, and Steve Heil, New Mexico Lead Department Analyst at New Mexico Public Education Department, about nurturing advanced artists within a TAB (Teaching for Artistic Behavior) framework. They trace their TAB journeys, explain an inclusive advanced-art model (screening, teacher nomination, or self-selection), and show how authentic showcases and contests build agency, visibility, and healthy “eustress,” especially for students

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01:05:17

S4E:4 Meet Kitty Conde

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2025/10/01

Join Abi and Jen in this inspiring episode as we dive deep with Chicago-based art educator Kitty Conde. Kitty shares her rich journey from building an art program from the ground up to championing TAB pedagogy in her public school. From organizing community-integrated Shark Tank-style student projects to mentoring over 40 student teachers, Kitty shares actionable insights and honest reflections on scaffolding choice, advocating for student voice, navigating standards, and embracing intergenerational

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01:09:36

S4E: 3 Meet Bridget Kudrle

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2025/08/31

In this episode of TAB Storytellers Abi and Jen sit down with Bridget Kudrle, a veteran TAB teacher and president of TAB, Inc., to talk about the whirlwind of starting a school year, what it means to lead with choice and trust in the art room, and how community keeps us grounded. From QTIP (Quit Taking It Personally) to building routines that save your sanity, Bridget shares wisdom for both new and seasoned TAB educators. Resources & Links:Teaching for Artistic BehaviorRegional TAB GroupsMassArt

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00:57:24

S4E:2 Meet Matt & Laura Grundler

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2025/07/21

In this episode of TAB Storytellers, Jen and Abi speak with dynamic art education leaders Matt & Laura Grundler of the K-12 Art Chat podcast. In the conversation, they share insights into their current work, recent projects, and their powerful journey as art teachers and administrators. The conversation also touches on advocacy, mutual support as partners and educators, and how they help guide fellow teachers in embracing their personal and professional identities.Here are links to resources or

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00:53:11

S4E:1 Meet Connie Stewart

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2025/06/25

In this episode of TAB Storytellers, we are joined by Connie Stewart, Professor Emeritus from the University of Northern Colorado and a passionate advocate for student-centered, contemporary art education. Connie shares her journey with Teaching for Artistic Behavior (TAB), her commitment to individualized instruction, and her work with contemporary artists and big ideas in the classroom. She offers practical advice on questioning strategies, meaningful integration, and staying curious as both an

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01:01:41

S3E:12 Jen Ferrari and Abi Paytoe Gbayee

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2025/05/25

In the last episode of TAB Storytellers season 3, Abi and Jen decided to end with a candid, heartfelt conversation that celebrates their journey, the evolution of TAB (Teaching for Artistic Behavior), and the challenges and triumphs of teaching art in diverse environments. They reflect on their personal and professional growth, share updates about roles, research, and family life, and explore meaningful themes like student agency, teacher identity, and curriculum design. It's a rich and inspiring

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01:00:08

S3E:11 Dyango Chavez-Cutiño

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2025/04/19

In this episode of TAB Storytellers, Jen and Abi are joined by Dyango Chavez-Cutiño, a school programs educator at the Isabella Stewart Gardner Museum (ISGM) in Boston, Massachusetts. A TAB teacher by trade, Dyango recently joined the ISGM as a museum educator to help facilitate their school programs. The trio discusses TAB in classroom and museum learning environments, the framework of Visual Thinking Strategies (VTS) and how it is used in art as well as other subjects, and the benefits of

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01:08:23

S3E:10 Meet Jessica Boritz

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2025/03/15

In this episode of TAB Storytellers, Abi and Jen sit down with Jessica Boritz, an atelierista and art teacher at Grace Episcopal Day School in Kensington, Maryland. During their conversation, Jessica shares her extensive knowledge of and experience with TAB and Reggio-Emilia, two very compatible approaches to contemporary art education. In addition, the triad also discusses curiosity and creativity in teaching and learning, children’s aesthetics, and the role of beauty in learning.For more

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S3E:09 Kristin Anson

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2025/02/28

In this episode of TAB Storytellers, Abi and Jen sit down with Kristin Anson, an art teacher at an international school in Sri Lanka, where she teaches preschool through fifth grade within a PYP (Primary Years Programme) framework. During their conversation, Kristin shares what it’s like to bring TAB pedagogy into an international context and how her inquiry-based curriculum supports student choice and autonomy. In addition, the trio discusses the realities of unlearning traditional teacher-led

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01:12:11

S3E:8 Meet Olivia Gude

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2025/01/25

In this episode of TAB Storytellers, Jen and Abi sit down with renowned artist and author Olivia Gude. Olivia is a Professor Emerita of the School of the Art Institute of Chicago and the University of Illinois at Chicago, having developed numerous frameworks and programs at these institutions. Among the topics the triad discusses are the evolution of process-based art education, dialogical pedagogy, Olivia's work with Spiral Workshops, and the role of the educator in a TAB program.For more

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00:58:50

S3E:7 Meet Becky Broyles

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2024/12/29

In this episode of TAB Storytellers, join Abi and Jen as they interview high school art teacher and WAEA co-president Becky Broyles as she describes how she adapted the TAB (Teaching for Artistic Behavior) approach in an alternative school setting, structuring her classroom as a “design studio” divided into departments (fashion, photography, digital art, and more). Becky emphasizes student choice, self-paced learning, and peer-to-peer feedback, sharing how technology tools like Padlet, Google

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01:01:42

S3E6: Meet Jorge Lucero

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2024/12/01

In this installment of TAB Storytellers, Jen and Abi sit down with Jorge Lucero, Professor of Art Education and the Associate Dean of Research at the University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign. Jorge shares the journey that brought him (in an unexpected way) to teaching and discusses his work at the university with preservice art teachers. Among the topics discussed are conceptual art, the intersection of creative practice and teaching, and the significance of permissions for students (and

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01:04:10

S3E5: Meet Julie Toole

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2024/10/19

In this installment of TAB Storytellers, Abi and Jen sit down with Julie Toole, K-8 art teacher at Baker Demonstration School and faculty member of the renowned TAB Institute at MassArt. Julie, whose career spans a remarkable 34 years, shares her journey with us from special education to discipline-based art education to discovering TAB at an NAEA conference and beyond. Among the topics discussed are the power of learning in community, the critical DEIJB (diversity, equity, inclusion, justice, and

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01:04:19

S3E4: Meet Abigail Birhanu

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2024/09/14

In this episode of TAB Storytellers, Abi and Jen meet middle school art teacher and co-founder of the group Anti-Racist Art Teachers, Abby Birnahu. Throughout their time together, Abby shares her experience and compelling perspective as an Ethiopian and African-American woman, mother, and teacher living in our contemporary landscape. Among the topics discussed are anti-racism in education, representation and why it is essential in the classroom, and the importance of collaboration and community.For

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01:09:55

S3E3: Meet Roni Rohr and Jessi Ruby

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2024/08/28

In this episode of TAB Storytellers, Jen and Abi sit down with Roni Rohr and Jessi Ruby, both PreK-8 visual art educators in New Mexico (Roni) and Colorado (Jessi). Roni and Jessi share what brought them to teaching, the development of their working partnership, and how their current pedagogical venture, [re]Design(ing) Art Education, came about. Among the topics discussed are design-thinking and STEAM, the importance of community and kindness, and why (when considering art education pedagogy) it is

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01:03:48

S3E2: Meet Dr. Tina Atkinson

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2024/06/29

In this episode of TAB Storytellers, Jen and Abi are joined by Dr. Tina Atkinson, the self appointed Research Translator, among many other titles including Art Teacher and NAEA Elementary Research Commissioner. Among the topics discussed are research in the classroom, suggestions for starting to do research in your own classroom, and how research can be used to advocate and validate what you are doing in your teaching practices. For more information about TAB, please visit the TAB website:

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01:24:39

S3E1: Meet David Modler & Sam Peck

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2024/05/18

Join Jen and Abi as they chat with the co-founders of the Tet[R]ad Project, David Modler and Sam Peck for our Season 3 opener! David Modler is a Professor of Art, Coordinator of Art Education, and Department Chair at Shepherd University in Shepherdstown, WV. Sam Peck is an art educator at Morton Middle School in Fall River, MA. In this TABcast, David and Sam share the origins of their visual journaling practices, their amazing tet[R]ad Project, how to transition from a product-based curriculum to

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01:29:30

S2E12: Meet Abigail Harkey

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2024/04/29

In this episode of TAB Storytellers, Jen and Abi are joined by Abigail Harkey, the Visual Arts, Instruction and Curriculum Specialist for Denver Public Schools. Abigail flipped the tables in this episode and asked Jen and Abi questions. We discussed learning objectives, rigor and assessment, and teacher evaluations among other things. For more information about TAB, please visit the TAB website: www.teachingfor artisticbehavior.org. Also, you are invited to join us on Mighty Networks

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01:07:18

S2E11: Meet Clyde Gaw and Clark Fralick

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2024/03/16

In this episode of TAB Storytellers, Jen and Abi are joined by Clyde Gaw and Clark Fralick, TAB art educators. Among the topics discussed are how Clyde and Clark found TAB, technology, advocacy, authentic making, and the Secret Art of Boys as well as several other topics.For more information about TAB, please visit the TAB website: www.teachingfor artisticbehavior.org. Also, you are invited to join us on Mighty Networks (https://teaching-for-artistic-behavior.mn.com/), an online platform dedicated

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00:28:56

S2E10: Meet Melissa Purtee

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2024/02/20

In this episode of TAB Storytellers, Jen and Abi are joined by Melissa Purtee, HS TAB teacher and Co-Director of the TAB Summer Institute. Among the topics discussed are transitioning from elementary to high school, writing about TAB, the TAB Summer Institute (coming July 22-27, 2024), and some advice for thinking about moving more into choiceFor more information about TAB, please visit the TAB website: www.teachingfor artisticbehavior.org. Also, you are invited to join us on Mighty Networks

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