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The Betrayal Recovery Transformation Podcast

Kris Rocha & Jenn Howie

Welcome to " The Betrayal Recovery Transformation Podcast," where hosts Kris Rocha and Jenn Howie explore the complexities of betrayal and offer guidance on how to recover and transform from its aftermath.Through candid conversations and interviews with experts in the field, Kris and Jenn delve into topics such as healing from betrayal trauma, rebuilding trust, and helping individuals uncover their unique identities. Join us on this journey of self-discovery and transformation as we provide a safe

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54:57

Attachment & Connection with Dr. Jake Porter

The Betrayal Recovery Transformation Podcast ·

2025/10/27

Rebuilding safety and intimacy after betrayal begins with understanding how our attachment styles shape the way we connect—and disconnect—with others. In this eye-opening conversation, Dr. Jake Porter, Founder and President of Daring Ventures, returns to the podcast to unpack how attachment wounds form, why they matter in recovery, and how couples can move from fear and self-protection toward trust and closeness.Drawing from his Couple-Centered Recovery® model, Dr. Porter helps us see that

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67:05

Reconciling Your God Concept with Paul Marc Goulet

The Betrayal Recovery Transformation Podcast ·

2025/10/22

Over 36 years ago, Kris sat in the classroom of her Bible college professor, Paul Marc Goulet, learning lessons that would profoundly shape her understanding of God, cognitive function, and the power of the stories we tell ourselves. Decades later, their paths cross again for a deeply meaningful conversation about how our God concepts—what we believe about who God is—shape every part of our faith, healing, and daily life.A pastor, author, counselor, and global leader, Paul draws from his extensive

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57:42

Recognizing & Healing Spiritual Abuse with Stacey Smith

The Betrayal Recovery Transformation Podcast ·

2025/10/20

Stacey Smith, a trusted voice at Daring Ventures, returns to the Betrayal Recovery Transformation Podcast to unpack the often-hidden topic of spiritual abuse. With deep wisdom and a passion for justice, Stacey helps individuals heal from trauma, reclaim their identity, and walk in the truth of who God created them to be.In this conversation, Stacey joins Kris and Jenn to explore how spiritual abuse can take root within faith communities—often cloaked in tradition or twisted theology—and how women

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56:26

The Gifts of Betrayal Healing with Gigi Hopkins

The Betrayal Recovery Transformation Podcast ·

2025/08/14

Gigi Hopkins, Professional Certified Coach (PCC) and Director of Wives Care at Be Broken Ministries, joins us for a candid conversation about how healing from betrayal can produce unexpected gifts. With over 24 years of ministry experience and a passion for walking alongside women in the midst of betrayal trauma, Gigi offers both professional insight and deep personal compassion. She shares her “Gifts of Betrayal” list, encouraging us to see how God can transform pain into growth, maturity, and

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72:17

Integrity Driven Healing with Dr. Jake Porter

The Betrayal Recovery Transformation Podcast ·

2025/07/18

In this special episode, we’re joined by Dr. Jake Porter, renowned relational trauma expert, coach, and founder of Daring Ventures. Known for his groundbreaking work helping individuals and couples heal from betrayal and rebuild trust, Jake brings deep insight and compassion to the recovery journey.Together, we explore the transformative power of integrity-centered healing and learning to be comfortable being uncomfortable. Jake shares his personal experience participating in a program called Men

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68:18

Theraputic Disclosure 101 with Dan Drake

The Betrayal Recovery Transformation Podcast ·

2025/05/21

How much truth is too much truth? What if you feel ready for disclosure, but your partner doesn't? What’s the actual goal of a therapeutic disclosure—and how do you know when you’re ready?In this episode, we sit down with Dan Drake, a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist and expert in betrayal trauma and sex addiction recovery. Dan unpacks the basics of therapeutic disclosure, a structured process where the full truth of sexual betrayal is disclosed in a safe, supported setting. He shares the

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53:52

How Your Voice Can Help You Heal with Amy Elysse

The Betrayal Recovery Transformation Podcast ·

2025/04/24

This week on The Betrayal Recovery Transformation Podcast, we’re joined by Amy Elysse—vocal coach, faith-filled encourager, and a radiant light in her community. Amy opens up about her own betrayal story and shares how the human voice, primarily through singing, can become a powerful tool for healing. Whether you’re musically inclined or simply longing to express yourself more fully, Amy brings warmth, insight, and practical wisdom to the conversation. And she's created a free recording to guide you

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68:48

Breaking Free: Accountability and The Healing Church...

The Betrayal Recovery Transformation Podcast ·

2025/04/02

Pornography addiction is one of the most misunderstood struggles in the church today, often shrouded in shame and secrecy. Sam Black, Director of Recovery Education at Covenant Eyes and author of The Healing Church: What Churches Get Wrong About Pornography and How to Fix It, joins us to share how real freedom comes through accountability, grace, and informed support. Drawing from his journalism background and over 70 interviews with pastors, counselors, and people in recovery, Sam offers practical

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47:57

Helping Men Build Empathy After Betrayal with Dr....

The Betrayal Recovery Transformation Podcast ·

2025/02/19

Dr. Anthony Walker joins us to share how he helps men navigate the healing process after betrayal. He provides insights from Help Her Heal, a workbook by Carol Jergensen Sheets, and discusses how men can develop emotional attunement, overcome resistance, and strengthen their relationships.Key Talking Points:What led Dr. Anthony Walker to Help Her Heal and how he incorporates its strategies in his coaching.The importance of emotional attunement in repairing relational trust and how men can develop

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68:38

Reality Collapse & Betrayal Violence with Hope Ray

The Betrayal Recovery Transformation Podcast ·

2025/02/06

In this episode, we welcome Hope Ray, a Licensed Professional Counselor who coined Betrayal Violence. Hope is a leader in the field of betrayal trauma, offering deep insights into the effects of secrecy, deception, and relational power imbalances. She is also the creator of Complex Partner Trauma magazine, available on Amazon, which provides resources and support for betrayed partners.Throughout our conversation, we dive into Reality Collapse, the disorientation that betrayed partners experience,

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61:23

The Intimacy Pyramid with Joanna & Matthew Raabsmith

The Betrayal Recovery Transformation Podcast ·

2025/01/14

We had the privilege of sitting down with Matthew and Joanna Raabsmith to discuss the transformative power of the Intimacy Pyramid. With their personal story of betrayal, addiction, and healing as the backdrop, the Raabsmiths shared actionable insights and hope for couples looking to rebuild trust, connection, and relational intimacy. The Raabsmiths are passionate leaders in the field of marriage and relationship restoration. Combining their expertise with their lived experience, they empower

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65:56

Rest, Redemptive Gifts and Unlocking Dominion...

The Betrayal Recovery Transformation Podcast ·

2024/12/20

We’re excited to welcome Dr. Laura Sanger back to The Betrayal Recovery Transformation Podcast! Dr. Sanger’s first episode remains the top fan favorite, and we are thrilled to have her return with another timely and profound message—this time focusing on rest, just in time for the holiday season.Dr. Sanger is a clinical psychologist, author, and the founder of No Longer Enslaved (www.nolongerenslaved.com), where she equips individuals to live free in their God-given identity, authority, and

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66:42

Post Betrayal Growth with Stacey Smith

The Betrayal Recovery Transformation Podcast ·

2024/12/12

On today's episode of The BRT Podcast, we welcome the amazing Stacey Smith. She’s the Chief Clinical Officer and a Clinical Therapist at Daring Ventures. With a personal recovery journey from betrayal and "stinkin' thinkin'," Stacey uses her lived experience and professional expertise to guide betrayed partners and those suffering from addiction toward healing. She is certified in EMDR therapy and specializes in helping people overcome attachment wounds and shame. Stacey is passionate about

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62:07

Resilience Through Betrayal Intensive with Elizabeth...

The Betrayal Recovery Transformation Podcast ·

2024/11/13

We are thrilled to welcome Elizabeth Abbruzza, the Co-Founder and Clinical Director of the Bellevue Trauma Recovery Center, to the podcast. With a deep focus on relational trauma and betrayal, Elizabeth shares her expertise and details about the impactful Resilience Through Betrayal (RTB) intensives offered at her center. About Elizabeth Abbruzza: Elizabeth holds a Master's degree in Clinical Mental Health Counseling from Gonzaga University and specializes in addressing relational trauma, sex

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64:05

Intimacy Atrophy with Karen Rellos

The Betrayal Recovery Transformation Podcast ·

2024/10/29

Introduction: Kris and Jenn sit down with Karen Rellos, founder of Restored Hope Coaching and Redeeming Love Marriage Ministry. Karen, a certified betrayal trauma coach, joins the conversation to shed light on a topic that affects many relationships—Intimacy Deprivation, also known as Intimacy Atrophy (IA). With her extensive background in helping women navigate betrayal trauma, Karen offers valuable insights into the causes, impacts, and healing journey surrounding intimacy deprivation in

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83:47

When Sex Addiction Becomes Abuse with Diane Schnickels

The Betrayal Recovery Transformation Podcast ·

2024/08/28

In this episode, we welcome Diane Schnickels, founder of Living Waters of Hope and a dedicated advocate for survivors of domestic abuse. Diane brings her extensive experience and compassionate approach to discuss when sex addiction crosses the line into abuse. She has developed crucial resources like the Oasis Bible Study and the Hope Giver Essentials training program, empowering women to heal and reclaim their lives. Today, Diane shares her insights on recognizing the signs of abuse related to sex

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74:40

A Message for Pastors & Clergy: Supporting Betrayed...

The Betrayal Recovery Transformation Podcast ·

2024/07/28

On this episode of BRT, we have a special guest, Pastor Nick Stumbo. Nick is the Executive Director of Pure Desire Ministries and has an extensive background in pastoral ministry. He began his ministry career at East Hills Alliance Church in Kelso, Washington, where he served as lead pastor for over a decade. Confronted with his own pornography addiction, Nick and his wife, Michelle, found hope and healing through Pure Desire’s counseling and group ministries. His public disclosure led to a revival

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58:53

Understanding Trauma with Debby Flanagan

The Betrayal Recovery Transformation Podcast ·

2024/07/18

Welcome to the 20th episode of The Betrayal Recovery Transformation Podcast! This is a significant milestone for us, and we're thrilled to celebrate it with a special guest, Debby Flanagan. Debby is a clinician with Pure Desire Ministries, where she serves as a Pastoral Sex Addiction Professional. She holds a Bachelor's degree from Corban University and has an Advanced Certification through the International Institute for Trauma and Addiction Professionals (IITAP). Debby is dedicated to helping

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68:03

The Four Phases of Healing After Betrayal with Tammy...

The Betrayal Recovery Transformation Podcast ·

2024/06/26

Join hosts Kris Rocha and Jenn Howie for another enlightening episode of The Betrayal Recovery Transformation Podcast. Today, we welcome back Tammy Gustafson, a renowned betrayal trauma coach, therapist, writer, and speaker. Tammy is here to delve deeper into her "Four Phases of Healing After Betrayal," sharing her expert insights and personal experiences. This episode is packed with valuable information, laughter, and heartfelt moments.About Tammy Gustafson: Tammy Gustafson is the founder of

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72:16

The Impact of Snooping with Dr. Jill Manning

The Betrayal Recovery Transformation Podcast ·

2024/06/06

In this mind-shifting, insightful episode of The Betrayal Recovery Transformation Podcast, Jenn and I had the pleasure of hosting Dr. Jill Manning. Dr. Manning is warm, caring, knowledgeable, and passionate about helping women heal. Today, she shares her expertise on a topic she's passionate about ... the impact of snooping, especially in the context of betrayal trauma. Get your notebooks ready, friends. This episode is packed with excellent information, tools, and tips.About Dr. Jill Manning: Dr

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