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Otherppl with Brad Listi

Otherppl with Brad Listi is a weekly books and culture podcast featuring in-depth conversations with today"s leading authors. Literature, screenwriting, the creative process, pop culture, and more. Available wherever you get your podcasts. Follow the show on Bluesky and Instagram.

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67:59

What Does It Mean to Be a Minor Writer?

Otherppl with Brad Listi ·

2025/10/12

What does it mean to be a “minor writer” in a world obsessed with major success? In this episode, I talk with ⁠Jeff Alessandrelli⁠ about his essay ⁠'Minor, Minor, Minor Writer,'⁠ and what it has to say about literary ambition, obscurity, ego, and the quiet reality behind most books. We discuss BookScan recon, indie lit fame, the collapse of serious readership, and the stubborn hope that keeps writers going anyway.Alessandrelli lives in Portland, OR, where he directs and co-edits the non-profit

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66:27

The Life of a Showboy

Otherppl with Brad Listi ·

2025/10/09

Volume 63 of Brad & Mira For the Culture...Mira is out sick...Angry Adam and Gene Morgan sit in...Brad and Gene took their kids to One Battle After Another...the Sanchize blacks out in Indianapolis...three middle-aged white men review The Life of a Showgirl...Trump greenlights his own ultimate fighting birthday party...and more... *** ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Otherppl with Brad Listi⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ is a weekly podcast featuring in-depth interviews with today's leading writers. Available where

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87:21

995. Jade Chang

Otherppl with Brad Listi ·

2025/10/07

Jade Chang is the author of the novel What a Time to Be Alive, available from Ecco Books. Chang’s debut novel, The Wangs vs. the World, won the VCU Cabell First Novelist Award and has been published in a dozen countries. Her journalism and essays have recently appeared in The Best American Food Writing, and in the New York Times and Los Angeles Times magazines. She also writes for film and TV. She lives in Los Angeles. *** ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Otherppl with Brad Listi⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ is a

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83:26

994. Melissa Febos

Otherppl with Brad Listi ·

2025/10/05

Melissa Febos is the author of The Dry Season: A Memoir of Pleasure in a Year Without Sex, available from Knopf. Febos is the national bestselling author of five books, including Abandon Me, Girlhood—which won the National Book Critics Circle Award in Criticism, Body Work: The Radical Power of Personal Narrative, and, most recently, The Dry Season. Her awards and fellowships include those from the Guggenheim Foundation, LAMBDA Literary, the National Endowment for the Arts, The British Library, The

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92:05

Brad Bunny

Otherppl with Brad Listi ·

2025/10/02

Volume 62 of Brad & Mira For the Culture...prayers for Dolly...Mira experiences personal triumph in a Soul Cycle class...the unified theory of protein and fascism...Benito Antonio Martinez Ocasio...trying hard to imagine Baron Trump's hot date at Trump Tower...Lionel Richie fans are the tip of the revolutionary spear...and more...*** ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Otherppl with Brad Listi⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ is a weekly podcast featuring in-depth interviews with today's leading writers. Available where

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81:29

993. Jason Diamond

Otherppl with Brad Listi ·

2025/09/30

Jason Diamond is the author of the debut novel Kaplan's Plot, available from Flatiron Books. Diamond is the author of Searching for John Hughes, The Sprawl and co-author ofNew York Nico's Guide to NYC (with Nicolas Heller). His work has been published by the New York Times, Esquire, The New Yorker, GQ, The Paris Review, and many other outlets. He publishes the newsletter The Melt, was born in Skokie, Illinois, and currently lives in Brooklyn with his wife and daughter. Kaplan’s Plot is his first

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58:09

Special Episode: DeepDive Sneak Preview!

Otherppl with Brad Listi ·

2025/09/28

Today’s episode is a special preview of How to Write Autobiographical Fiction, a brand-new DeepDive course featuring acclaimed novelist Hannah Pittard, author of Listen to Me, Visible Empire, The Fates Will Find Their Way, Reunion, and If You Love It, Let It Kill You.The course, hosted by Brad Listi, explores the art and craft of autobiographical fiction: what it is, how it differs from memoir, how to shape persona and voice, how to navigate the ethical challenges of writing about real people, how

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96:40

Dancing with the Stars on 300mg of THC

Otherppl with Brad Listi ·

2025/09/25

Volume 61 of Brad & Mira For the Culture...Brad & Mira do field work...adventures in Television City...Mira takes a hero dose of THC...Hilaria competes for the title as her brood looks on....Alec no-shows...triumph of the Mormon wives...Corey Feldman aggressively humps the floor...Trump and RFK Jr. demonize Tylenol...Trump delivers a senile rant for the ages at the UN...and more... *** ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Otherppl with Brad Listi⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ is a weekly podcast featuring in-depth interviews with

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84:11

992. Leigh Stein

Otherppl with Brad Listi ·

2025/09/23

Leigh Stein is the author of the novel If You're Seeing This, It's Meant for You, a national bestseller available from Ballantine Books. Leigh is the author of six books, including the critically acclaimed satirical novel Self Care. She is also the creator of the Attention Economy newsletter on Substack and has written for the New York Times, the Washington Post, Allure, ELLE, Airmail, and The Cut. *** ⁠⁠Otherppl with Brad Listi⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ is a weekly podcast featuring in-depth interviews

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74:27

Kyle Spencer on the Dangers of Political Extremism,...

Otherppl with Brad Listi ·

2025/09/21

Kyle Spencer is a journalist and the author of Raising Them Right: The Untold Story of America’s Ultraconservative Youth Movement and Its Plot for Power (Ecco). We spoke about this book in November 2022—it features Charlie Kirk prominently. In light of Kirk's death, I invited Kyle back onto the program to discuss his life, his work, and the very combustible and very tragic political moment in which we now find ourselves. I hope this conversation helps bring clarity and insight.*** ⁠⁠Otherppl

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87:50

The Everything is Bad Episode

Otherppl with Brad Listi ·

2025/09/18

Volume 60 of Brad & Mira For the Culture...The Emmys (didn't watch them)...Charlie Sheen's skeletons....Mira's adventures at a drag brunch...Angry Adam no-shows....Robert Redford, über-mensch...arguing for the decency of Indecent Proposal...the grim and chaotic demise of a political commentator...15 incontinent dogs in a Calabasas mansion...Hogan snubbed at the Emmys...will Brad and Mira get tickets to Dancing with the Stars?...and more... *** ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Otherppl with Brad

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82:50

991. Elaine Hsieh Chou

Otherppl with Brad Listi ·

2025/09/16

Elaine Hsieh Chou is the author of the debut story collection Where Are You Really From, available from Penguin Press. Official September 2025 pick of the Otherppl Book Club. Elaine Hsieh Chou is a Taiwanese American author and screenwriter from California. Described as “the funniest, most poignant novel of the year” by Vogue, her debut novel Disorientation was a New York Times Editors’ Choice Book, New York Public Library Young Lions Fiction Award Finalist and Thurber Prize Finalist. A former

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86:59

Rachel, 32, Director of Content and Engagement

Otherppl with Brad Listi ·

2025/09/14

Character Study, Vol. 17. 'Character Studies' is a new series on the podcast featuring interviews with 'civilians'—ordinary adult humans of all ages and backgrounds, talking with Brad about their lives, anonymously. In Vol. 17, a conversation with Rachel, 32, a Director of Content & Engagement from Queens, NYC. *** ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Otherppl with Brad Listi⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ is a weekly podcast featuring in-depth interviews with today's leading writers. Available where podcasts are available: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Apple

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94:00

The Dawn of the Sheenaissance

Otherppl with Brad Listi ·

2025/09/11

Volume 59 of Brad & Mira For the Culture...Trump's horny artwork in the terrifying Epstein birthday book....Angry Adam repeatedly punching his dashboard...Mira in the Emergency Room...Charlie Sheen comeback tour starts now...gets liposuction after being taunted by a sex worker...Britney's incontinent dogs...her filthy mansion...Alec Baldwin selfie video confessional...Hilaria in psycho-training-mode for DWTS...and more...*** ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Otherppl with Brad Listi⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ is a weekly

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66:56

990. Hala Alyan

Otherppl with Brad Listi ·

2025/09/09

Hala Alyan is the author of the debut memoir I'll Tell You When I'm Home, available from Avid Reader Press.Alyan is the author of the novels Salt Houses—winner of the Dayton Literary Peace Prize and the Arab American Book Award, and a finalist for the Chautauqua Prize—and The Arsonists’ City, a finalist for the Aspen Words Literary Prize. She is also the author of five highly acclaimed collections of poetry, including The Twenty-Ninth Year and The Moon That Turns You Back. Her work has been

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95:09

Jennifer Pastiloff on Grief, Creativity, Shame Loss,...

Otherppl with Brad Listi ·

2025/09/07

Jennifer Pastiloff is the author of Proof of Life: Let Go, Let Love, and Stop Looking for Permission to Live Your Life, available from Dutton. Pastiloff trots the globe as a public speaker and to host her retreats to Italy, as well as her one-of-a-kind workshops, which she has taught to thousands of people all over the world. The author of the popular Substack, also called Proof of Life, she teaches writing and creativity classes called Allow, and workshops called Shame Loss, when she isn’t

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81:38

The Legend of Young Beaver

Otherppl with Brad Listi ·

2025/09/04

Volume 58 of Brad & Mira For the Culture...Brad and Mira go to karaoke, don't speak to one another, worry about communicable disease...Angry Adam on Taylor Swift...Burning Man murder mystery....Sydney Sweeney and Scooter Braun in love....more on the Swift-Kelce engagement...Trump is obsessed...Blake Lively remains in exile....The Hilaria Baldwin surrogate conspiracy...imagining the Baldwins on The Playa...and more...*** ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Otherppl with Brad Listi⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ is a weekly podcast

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91:07

989. Susannah Cahalan

Otherppl with Brad Listi ·

2025/09/02

Susannah Cahalan is the author of The Acid Queen: The Psychedelic Life and Counterculture Rebellion of Rosemary Woodruff Leary (Viking).Cahalan is a #1 New York Times–bestselling author, journalist and public speaker. Her first book, Brain on Fire, has sold over a million copies and has been translated into more than twenty languages. Her second book, The Great Pretender, was shortlisted for the Royal Society’s 2020 Science Book Prize. She lives in New Jersey with her

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988. Sylvia Jones

Otherppl with Brad Listi ·

2025/08/31

Sylvia Jones is the author of the debut poetry collection Television Fathers, available from Meekling Books. Jones is an adjunct professor at George Washington University. She also works as poetry editor for Black Lawrence Press and serves as a first reader for Ploughshares. Her next book, Dope Callisthenics, is forthcoming from Relegation Books in the Fall of 2026. She earned her M.F.A. from American University in Washington D.C. and lives in Baltimore, MD. ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Otherppl with Brad

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94:08

Ken Burns Presents 'The Swiftie Civil War'

Otherppl with Brad Listi ·

2025/08/28

Volume 57 of Brad & Mira For the Culture...Brad leans on A.I. for emotional validation...Angry Adam weighs in...Mira's Grandpasaurus has a massive stroke (survives)...Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce get engaged...the Taylor Timer shatters...Lil Nas X walks nude through Studio City...a finger in a chicken wrap...and more... *** ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Otherppl with Brad Listi⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ is a weekly podcast featuring in-depth interviews with today's leading writers. Available where podcasts are

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