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The Clock and the Cat

Mark Foden

A podcast of conversations about complexity

government & organizations national

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Episode 11 - Don't Panic

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2024/03/22

This episode is a conversation with Johnnie Moore about his inspiring work as facilitatorJohnnie Moore - BioJohnnie Moore is a great facilitator, He's written two books about it - Creative Facilitation and Unhurried. More here johnniemoore.com

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Episode 10 - How to make good telly

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2023/06/09

This episode is another conversation with Daniel Thornton (like Episode 2 but this time with bells on) about Covid, companies dying, electric cars, corporate bullshit, and the Succession series.Daniel Thornton - BioDaniel studied PPE at Oxford and History at LSE. He’s had huge experience in central government. He worked in the Foreign Office, Parliament, the Treasury, DCLG and has been a Private Secretary to the Prime Minister. He’s been a programme director at the leading think tank the Institute

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Episode 9 - Experimental Finland

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2020/02/19

This episode is a conversation with Olli-Pekka Heinonen - currently the civil servant responsible for primary and secondary education in Finland - about his experience of applying complexity thinking in the Finnish government.Olli-Pekka Heinonen - Bio Olli-Pekka is the Director General of the National Agency for Education in Finland and is responsible for running primary and secondary education for the whole of Finland. He's been in public service for 30 years both as a senior politician and a

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Episode 8 - Not systems thinking

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2020/01/13

This episode is a conversation with Eric Wenzel about his experience of the theory of complex responsive processes of relating.Selected quotes"And it took me the three years of the [Doctor of Mangement] programme to try and understand what it was that I was contributing" - 3:52"Complex responsive process... [theory is] ...important because it offers a compelling alternative to accepted ways of thinking about organisations as systems" - 8:52"In complex responsive processes thinking there is this

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00:27:46

Episode 7 - Turning the purpose of management...

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2019/11/04

Selected quotes“The idea of complexity helped us explain why outcome based performance management [is failing]” - 3:09“Outcome based performance management … and New Public Management … is conceptually flawed” - 6:21“We needed a new paradigm” - 6:41“You’ve got a crackpot idea about doing something fundamentally different. How do you persuade people to pay you to do it?” - 7:15“Is it ok to talk about complexity?” - 10:02“When we first started out on this path, people explicitly told us not to use the

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Episode 6 - Trust, Gestalt and the Inflatable Elephant

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2019/03/13

Selected quotes> "The environment we're in changes who we are and what we bring." - 6:55> "Gestalt for me is about ... it's about the whole and about the parts." - 8:30> "How do we build enough trust within the team that we can start to tell each other the truth?" - 13:55> "I really do have a blow-up elephant [in the room]" - 14:10> "Perceived Weirdness Index ... it's okay to be weird. Just not too weird." - 18:10> “Experiment in the moment” - 22:10> "To [make] change in complex

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00:37:15

Episode 5 - Experimenting

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2019/02/15

Main points- Losing Control movement - 2:00 / 31:00- Emphasis on evidence-based policy - 5:15- The difference between Explicit and Tacit knowledge and the importance of place - 6:30- Cultural barriers to experimentation - 18:45- Buurtzorg and the need for a "heatshield" - 21:30- Difference between pilots and experiments / and industrial vs organic approaches - 27:15- Continuous experimentation/learning - 28:00- Good things happening around the world - 32:45- Government becoming an enabler - 33:45-

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Episode 4 - How to learn about complexity

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2019/01/11

ReferencesBook - Quark and the Jaguar - Murray Gell-MannBook - Complexity - Mitchell WaldropBook - Strategic Management and Organisational Dynamics - Ralph StaceyBook - The Nature of Technology - Brian ArthurOnline resources - Complexity ExplorerCourse - Singapore Complexity InstituteCourse - Complex Systems Summer School - Santa Fe InstituteCourse - Introduction to complexity - Santa Fe InstituteRoland Kupers - BioRoland is an independent advisor on Complexity, Resilience and Energy Transition.He's

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00:45:36

Episode 3 - What complexity actually is

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2019/01/08

Roland Kupers - BioRoland is an independent advisor on Complexity, Resilience and Energy Transition.He Dutch and speaks 4 other languages fluently.Originally a theoretical physicist he’s worked in business management in AT&T then in Shell where he held several senior positions.He has written books on scenario planning, resilience and complexity in the context of public policy. And he’s writing another one on climate change at the moment.He lectures in complexity and he’s an affiliate of

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00:55:08

Episode 2 - Why big government things go wrong

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2018/12/14

Daniel Thornton - BioDaniel studied PPE at Oxford and History at LSE. He’s had huge experience in central government. He worked in the Foreign Office, Parliament, the Treasury, DCLG and has been a Private Secretary to the Prime Minister. Since then he’s worked for Gavi a charity promoting vaccination low-income countries; he’s been a programme director at the leading think tank the Institute for Government and he’s currently the Director for External Relations at Ark an educational charity running

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Episode 1 - About the Clock and the Cat

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2018/12/01

For more information read my stuff on complexity or these books:- The Quark and the Jaguar by Murray Gell-Mann- Complexity by Michael Waldrop

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